May 1, 2025

City Alchemist ft. Alexis & Eric

City Alchemist ft. Alexis & Eric

WHATUP WITCHES! It finally happened! In this episode, Ayden interviews Alexis and Eric, the owners of https://www.cityalchemist.co/ in Austin, Texas. They discuss their backgrounds in spiritual practices, the intersection of brujeria and business, and...

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WHATUP WITCHES! It finally happened! In this episode, Ayden interviews Alexis and Eric, the owners of City Alchemist in Austin, Texas. They discuss their backgrounds in spiritual practices, the intersection of brujeria and business, and the importance of community engagement.

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today I have the privilege and the honor I'm so

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excited to finally it's been a long time coming interview

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the owners of City Alchemists here in Austin, Texas. Please

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please welcome to SUSO today. Alexis and Eric, thank you

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all so much for I was gonna say thank you

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for being here, but I'm the one that's here. Thank

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you for having me. Thank you so much. So could

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you please, maybe just for anybody who for some reason

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has not heard of you all, give a brief introduction

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of who you are and where we are today.

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Yeah. So, my name is Alexis out of Londo. I'm

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from South Texas, a small little town near the border

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called Hebronville, and I grew up kind of in that area, learning,

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you know, kind of like like SUSTO, like learning all

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the folklore things like that. So being very enamored with

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things like and is opposed to just people who just

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kind of listen to it tell a story. I wanted

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to kind of learn it, and so I started learning

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from a brucha. I started learning from healers and and

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people from the community over time, and then eventually met Eric,

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and he and I realized that we had one similar goal,

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which was to own a witch shop one day. And

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this is it, what five years later, some like five

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years later, this is where we're at, so our technically

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third location.

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Yeah, So my name is Eric. I grew up in Alpaso, Texas.

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I shared a similar story to alexis very fascinated with

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like ghost stories, like folklore from al Paso specifically because

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there's so much. I also grew up in a very

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spiritual family. Specifically they would practice things like folk Catholicism,

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pudan de dismo, a little bit of hitchy Cidia, and

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I was really always drawn to that. I don't know why.

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I always felt like innately there was I knew that

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there was like a spiritual world even before I knew

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what spirituality was, and growing up I was really fortunate

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to be guided by my grandma, my mom, and my aunts,

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and they really encouraged me to practice and to learn.

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And Alexis and I we both share an interest and

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a lot of like spiritual practices, and we both practice

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a lot of spiritual things.

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Yeah, So speaking of those things, because I'm curious to know,

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and you kind of spoke about it with your upbringings

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and your your elders, your relatives, how did you get

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into practicing more specifically like bouhidi and grandaismo. Yes, but

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we know that those could be kind of umbrella terms

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and there are more specific practices. So if you had

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to identify your practices to you know, you're meeting someone,

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you what would you tell them? Those practices are those

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traditions and like how did you find your way to

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those specific things?

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Wow? How much time do we have? I mean, I

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always if I had to brand myself, I don't like

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branding myself at all, but if I had to, I

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always tell people modern day necromancer in the sense that

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all of the traditions that I practice have one thing

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in common, which is working with spirits. So I'm a

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spiritual list medium. I work with balamiyombe, which comes from Cuba,

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which is very heavily associated with spirits. I have like

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a base level initiations in Santharia and Haitian Vodu also

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works a lot with spirits. So there's a lot of

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disconnection to spirit and understanding how we can use spirits

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as a form of communication for healing, to give messages

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and kind of connecting with spirit on that level, right,

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and even you know, allowing them to do things for

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us and sending them to do things for us. So

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I think finding my way to that was kind of

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like when I moved from Hebronville to Corpus Christi for college,

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I started meeting people in the communities of more like

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Conandsmo and Brukhelia as well, and I started working with

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something what at the time of twenty two thousand and

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three actually, so it's been about twenty years, a little

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over twenty years at a botanika there, And that's how

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I started kind of learning, was going to the botanicas,

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asking questions, being taught by them essentially, and then eventually

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finding teachers. When I moved here to Austin, and I

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had found a teacher here who was kind of guiding

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me with things regarding like follow and Haitian Woodou and

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things along those lines, but at the same time not

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really fully getting initiated until we both met a local

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business owner's husband who was involved with the tradition and

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kind of helped us kind of branch out even more so.

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And that's kind of how I ended up on that path.

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Eric was already on the path of Santhidia when I

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had met him, so he already had that knowledge. But

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that's kind of how it all played out in a

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very very shortened version.

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Yeah, yeah, and Eric, what about you.

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It's interesting because I don't really consider myself anything absolute, right,

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I think, if anything, I'm probably always going to be

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some sort of seeker. But I do wear different hats.

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I guess specifically, I am initiated into Lukumi Santa Ria,

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and I have a house here in Austin, Texas, which

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we call Eule, so I have responsibilities to help my

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godchildren evolve within that tradition. I also do practice, I guess,

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like you said, the umbrella term of gudam derismo, because

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I have been giving people here in the community limps

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for about two years now and then just general magic

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in general. Right, I think Alexis and I also share

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that where we're very interested in putting the puzzle together

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because once you start to understand these traditions, you see

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they all fit into something. They're all coming together somehow.

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You know.

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So definitely, I think probably just a seeker.

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Yeah, I love that. This is I think a really

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good segue into the next question I had. But I

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wanted to get you all's take on something. So you

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mentioned Palo my own day, and I think many people

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are familiar with the story of Adulto Constanzo and Mark Kilroy.

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And from what I read when I did my episode

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on that, what I kind of picked up was that

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people were a little I guess it was like a

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hot button topic. You know, people were like, you know,

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he's he's skewing the practice, he's doing it not. I

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don't know if I could say he's doing it wrong,

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but like he's basically not. Like it's hard to say.

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And I guess that's why I'm trying to ask you,

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is I want to know I guess maybe what your

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take on that, or your stance on is on that.

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If you are okay with yeah, giving your opinion, I.

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Mean, it's it's good to talk about these things, because

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I think one of the reasons people fear these practices

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so much is the silence and nobody knowing what's happening.

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That's the way I teach these classes. Even though you

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have to be initiated to practice, it doesn't mean that

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I can't teach you the basics and the foundations. So

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one of the things about the Mark Kilroy case, in

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particular with El Padrino as they call him, yes, there

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were inconsistencies in this practice. He technically, from what I've

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been told, was not fully initiated into Ballow and showed

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up in Mexico knowing with the knowledge that he did

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know very charismatic person. We've actually seen this with people

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that we know even around here, who come off as

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very charismatic and pretend to know all these things that

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they don't actually know, and you know, over time those

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things get revealed, and in that situation, that's exactly what happened.

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If you look at some of the photos of the

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Mark Herold case, there were like altars with like something

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what the and mixture of all kinds of different practices,

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which tells me that that's not Ballow. Because Babo is

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very specific even the different forms that bollow. There's like

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San Cristo, Bemijake and all these like grussaldos or crossed houses.

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Even those don't work with things like some of them

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what they are, or work with other practices, they still

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kind of stay within the Cuban type of religion. So

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that tells me a lot. That tells me that there

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was definitely some mixing and even the kind of the

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ideology that he created the whole, like, oh well, if

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you want your preanda, which is your spiritual pot to

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be strong, you got to put the muscles of a

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strong person inside of it. That's not the way it's done.

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It is on an other level, but not on that level, right.

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It's more so things that represent the spirit, things from nature.

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So for example, for strength, we might put something like

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a tooth of a tiger or something along those lines,

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as opposed to a human being. So I think that

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a lot of it was just mixed and then them

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kind of coming up with their own way of understanding

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how to do that practice. So it was definitely not

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correct in that sense.

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Yeah, I will say something though, and I think it's

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very interesting because Alexis it's definitely the main point where

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it's not an authentic practice in the sense of traditional

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bottle of my own bit. In my opinion, what we

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saw there was a perfect example of like Mexican magic,

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the idea of this accumulation of different types of practices

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coming together to form this one sort of energy. And

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it's interesting because we live along the border and we

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go to these border towns, right, and once you get there,

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if you practice spirituality, there's a vibration and you can

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feel it. Right, it's in the valley, it's in Corpus,

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I'll pass though, even San Antonio, right, And I think

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that with that type of thing or a practice that

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he was doing, we started to see what, like the

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practices of Mexico we're starting to become, which I think

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is super interesting and beautiful.

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Not the murders obviously, right, but the idea of like

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Mexican magic becoming its own thing.

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Yeah, again, perfect segue.

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It's like, you guys are psychics or something.

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I wanted to ask about this idea of the blending

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of practices and maybe where there's opportunity for that to happen,

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and are the there are traditions or practices that are

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maybe not meant to, but that you kind of practice

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practice as an individual thing, and you say this is

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not something that I am willing or able or I

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want to incorporate with or blend with other practices.

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That's a really good question. I mean even earlier Eric

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mentioned this idea of like, we are seekers, we are students.

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We're never going to be like, oh, we know all right,

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We're always learning, and we do have other practices that

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don't come from Latin America. We practice like Hindu contric practices,

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Buddhist contric practices. And I think for us, or as say,

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for me, for sure, there is a definite understanding of

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how they can relate to other practices in Mexico and

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folk practices and traditions, and we can see those connections

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and make those connections. But we can also do that

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without blending them completely to the point where now we're

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just calling it's something completely different. Right, So I'll give

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you an example of this. I always tell my students,

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especially students who are non POC for example, who want

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to practice things like HCD and bu Hidia, They're like, well,

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I can't practice it because I'm not I'm not from

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I'm a Hispanic on a Mexican cent and I say

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that's not necessarily true. You can practice it, just don't

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make it public. Just don't go on Instagram and be like,

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look at my Bluehidia, look at my st it's your

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personal for twenty five dollars exactly. I'm like, it's your

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personal practice. Make it your personal practice. You know, if

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you look at it, she said, at you sett it's

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like what we call sorcerers essentially and brujos in Mexico.

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There's a lot of mixing. You know. They're if they

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need to call Venus on a Friday to do a

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love spell, they will. If they're going to call something

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to do a love spell, they will. It's whoever is

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going to come along and do the work, right, They

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don't necessarily yes, exactly, don't have to just choose one.

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Yeah.

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So I think that there's a good way to do it,

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to blend a lot of these these these practices and

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make it your own. But the issue is that everybody

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wants to make everything public and they want to post

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it on Instagram, and they want to post it on

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on on Facebook or wherever, and immediately you're going to

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get feedback because now you have pissed somebody off.

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it's very important for me specifically to make sure that

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when we practice formal things like Santhaia out of my

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own by Kimbanda whatever, well not whatever, because they're very powerful,

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but we have to do it in a traditional way

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in that context, we cannot bringing in outside influences. It

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already in itself is perfect, has its own divination system, hierarchy,

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everything else. But when we talk about Mahia like Magic, Bukidia,

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hitchy Cia, it's personal because you're learning from where you

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grew up. So every town, every city was going to

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have a different flavor. You're going to have the foundation,

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absolutely right. But the more you learn, the more you

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start to incorporate from different people in different styles. So

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for example, I, you know, having the shop, we start

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to meet a lot of people and I met a

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group of Venezuelans and they started teaching me their practices

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within the Marie leonsa cult right, and it was interesting

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because I saw similarities and they say try this, try that,

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And now as a practitioner, I can use that in

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my arsenal, have that in my Arsenal.

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See. Wow, so I kind of want to shift gears here,

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but of course all related. I'm curious about what the

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journey was from like Bilu Hitia to business owners, and

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I know that they're not maybe mutually exclusive, and I

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guess that's where I'm curious, is I do want to

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hear about your journey, but also maybe like a fun

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kind of question because we know that there are workings

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out there that people can use, Like how much of

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your practice was involved in manifesting and creating and building

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this space.

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That's a good question. Yeah. I will say this something

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that Eric taught me and I say it all the

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time is if you're working these traditions, if you're doing

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these practices and things are not getting better in your life,

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then you're doing something wrong or you're on the wrong

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path basically. And I would say that a lot of

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the success of the shop comes from the fact that

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we have been working these traditions correctly with a good heart.

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We're not out there saying you need Olympia. Okay, it's

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going to be six thousand dollars and I'm going to

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just use an egg and I'm going to just like

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half asset you know, we're always doing things for our community.

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Times we don't even charge because we know that they

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can't afford it. You know, it has to be done

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with heart. That's the biggest thing, and I think that's

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why we've been so blessed with these spaces. I will

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also say that a big part of it is finding

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a good a good balance with spirituality and business, because

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they are two different monsters sometimes and a lot of

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people have a tendency to think, well, I'm spiritual and

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I can do cleansings, therefore I can start a business.

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But I will say the hardest thing is that nobody

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ever tells you how hard it is. And it's consistent work,

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consistently having to you know, do events, consistently, having to

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do things for the community. And I will say that

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most of it has been blessings from the spirits. And

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I've always said that, We've always said that, like, we're

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extremely blessed by the spirits because they've guided us to

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be able to do this work not only for the community,

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but to have a beautiful shop on a beautiful location

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on historic East sixth Street. You know. So I think

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that that's a big part of it.

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Yeah, I like the question like you talk about the

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idea of manifestation, because if I'm going to be honest

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with you, I don't do a lot of spellcraft for myself.

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I don't need. Well, it's not that I don't need to,

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it's my awareness has shifted to a different place, which

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is manifestation, which is if I want things to work,

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then I need to make sure that I'm doing my

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part as well. Right, I send that signal out to

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the energies that I work with, and then when we're

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in connection, I start to manifest. So I don't even

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do spell work for myself that much anymore, and I

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feel extremely blessed, extremely protected. Right. The business aspect in

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it is like totally separate in my opinion for my

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spiritual practice, because being a business owner comes with its

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own set of responsibilities not only for me but for

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the community as well. But yeah, being able to manifest

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is is interesting because I think that I had manifest

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Alexis and I manifested the shop, and I literally manifested

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this shop with the playlists. I started listening to songs, right,

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and I got really inspired when we were even before

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Machia Mahia, our book. That playlist I started to put

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together on Spotify. I was listening to it and just

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envisioning my shop and envisioning people, and literally, I swear

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six months later we opened up a little small pop up,

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and then half a year later we opened up next

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door and literally still playing that same playlist.

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Wow.

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I remember he would always say like, wouldn't it be great?

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Our shop was on Sixth Street, We should have a

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shop on six street one day. One day, We're gonna

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have a shop on sixth Street.

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And here we are, here we are, yeah, yeah.

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One day, Like Alexis and I were driving during the pandemic.

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It was right after like the lockdown was like lessening

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up and people were able to move around, and we

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had just started talking about opening up our shop, and

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I was like, let's go just drive around and see

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if we find anything. And Alexa was just like, well,

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that's not the way you do. You have to work

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with like a realtor and all that stuff. I'm like, no,

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do we do, Like, we'll just we'll drive around and

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we found our little spot on sins oar Java Street

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and we call the number and our landlord. Now she

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asked us, well what do you do? And we're like Uh,

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how do we explain what we do right? Well, we

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still like crystals and incense, try making it very light.

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And she's like, oh, dude's like spiritual cleansings and readings.

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And I was like, yeah, we do. She's like, Okay,

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can you meet me on sixth Street in this location

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about fifteen minutes oh, and literally right after that, everything

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just started falling into place. We're lucky. Our landlord is

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from Peru and she does spiritual cleanses.

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She sends her like she she's employees, a lot of employees,

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and she'll send them to us to get cleansings. She'll

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reach out to us because sometimes she has to clear

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out houses because she also owns houses. And then she'd

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be like, they left some weird stuff, can you come

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clear it out? And just bad energy. So we'll go

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and help her out in that sense.

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Also, wow, it's you just have to ask the city

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for a spot.

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Honestly, I tell people that all the time.

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When people first moved to Austin and they get into

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a new house and like, I feel weird, I don't

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feel like there yet. I'm like, well, did you introduce

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yourself to Austin the city, Because there's energies here before

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any sort of development was here. When you start giving

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your your your acknowledgment to them, they start to protect

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you and they start to help you, and people don't

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realize that.

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Yeah, I will say when I moved here maybe about

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three years ago, and it was during when like the

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housing bubble was like it was just rapid and things

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were going before we could even get an application in.

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And it got to the point where I had come

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to visit and I was so frustrated because I had,

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you know, I had a job opportunity, I was ready

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to move and my life was kind of stagnant at

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that point, and so we were like this, like we

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need to make this happen. And so at one point

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I came to visit and I just like out loud,

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I was like, please please accept us, like this is

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like we need, we need this, like this is the

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next step for us, and just saying it out loud.

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And so yeah, hearing you all kind of talk about

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this too, and like your journey with just finding the

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physical space too, is like it takes back to that moment.

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It almost felt like desperation, but also, like like you said,

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just introducing myself and saying like, hey, this is my

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next step. I'm gonna be here. Please help us like

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land on our feet, and we really did. I love

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where we ended up.

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It's it's funny cause you talk about desperation, right, and

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I always teach people whenever you're in desperation of what

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happens inside. We're like this, right and nothing can reach us.

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We're bundled up and I'm not. And as much as

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it's cliche to say, well, just relax, you know, you

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don't tell someone who's already upset to relax. Yeah, right,

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But at the same time, it's true because once you

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start lessening up and that not starts to unravel, everything

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opens up and everything falls into the place.

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It's true.

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Yeah. So the next question is actually a question from Patreon,

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and this is a question from Madita phittanandas thank you

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so much for sending your question in and Mariitza and

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I would like to know what are some good starting

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point for a beginner looking to decolonize their thinking around

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traditional spiritual practices and fulk remedies. Are there any recommendations

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for books, classes, general tips, especially for those who are

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interested but are healing from religious trauma, and are unsure

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about the basics.

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Really really good question, Melissa. Thank you Melissa for that one.

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This is something that we get asked a lot, actually,

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just because we are POC people of Mexican descent, and

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we did write two books on Mexican witchcraft and magic.

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Do we do you all have them here?

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I think we had some. We just sold that we

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can never get onto them and we signed them too,

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so but we will get them in. But I will

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say this, So there's a lot of talk about decolonizing practices,

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and I say, the first thing you have to work

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on is letting go of fear, because that is the

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first thing that colonization did was take our normal, everyday

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practices and put fear behind them, calling them things of

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the devil, calling them things and even that I always

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tell people like they're like, oh, well, I don't mess

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with anything devil related. I'm like, you have to understand

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that that's also a form of colonization.

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Who decided yes exactly.

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Because they created essentially an enemy, right being the devil.

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And where where most people were afraid of that, many

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of the older mechica anastic practitioners were like, oh good,

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a new superpower that even the enemy is afraid of

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that kind of thing. So a lot of it was embraced,

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and you see practices with al Diablo, like we have

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a peer in Guatemala and Wajaca, and all the areas

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were heavily Michika influenced as well. So that's the first thing.

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The second thing I always tell people is it's it's

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not impossible, but it is almost impossible to completely decolonize

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Mexican blue Hidia because Mexican blue Hidia and Echi Sidia

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and even Counandismo is a melting melting pot of so

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many traditions. And I always give this example all the

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time because I had this one person asked. They're like,

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I don't want to do any Catholic prayers. I don't

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want to do any Catholic prayers. I just want to

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do now Whata prayers. And I said, okay, well, I'm

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gonna teach you my favorite now prayer. And I said,

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it's Lancinko to tel Tazin. It's Sancigo too, tel Pislin,

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it's Skopumnajani. And they were like, oh, that's beautiful. What

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does that mean. I said, it means in the name

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of the Father, in the name of the Son, in

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the name of the Holy Spirit. I said, because this

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has become the prayer that we say in Nawwat, to

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call the four Directions, because remember that that's what they

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saw when they saw the cross. They said, oh we do,

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we have that too, and it's the Four Directions. So

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it's been mixed, it's been interwoven. And you still have

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people to this day in Mexico who will see Cristo

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Negro and say that's not Cristo Negro, That'sca. You know,

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they'll say John the Baptist and they say, that's not

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John the Baptist. The sla Look. So these have been

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interconnected and so it's almost impossible to completely decolonize. But

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if you really truly want to decolonize, decalonize the thinking,

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don't decolonize the actions.

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I have read this really good book called Aztec Philosophy

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by James Maffie, and the book is not going to

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teach you how to practice, but it definitely teaches you

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the metaphysics of the Michika and the meso American people.

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I think if you really want to decolonize your practice,

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it's best to look into your family and go far, far,

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far back, as far as you can. You know, you're

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saying you want to decolonize. So before Spaniards came to

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the US, to Mexico, and once you find out where

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you're from, start learning the language, start learning the customs,

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start learning those things. That is to me, how you

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00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.359
start to decolonize your practice, right, knowing that it's going

471
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.279
to be a journey. It's not going to be easy,

472
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.279
it's going to be very difficult, but it is possible.

473
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:08.000
Right once you understand, in my opinion, and start to

474
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.839
see that, it's not like groups of people did not

475
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.839
mingle with one another. Right, Once you start to really

476
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.119
embark on these traditions, you see, oh but they also

477
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.079
believe the same thing, but they twisted a little bit,

478
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.319
not twisted, they do something a little different. Oh my god,

479
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:25.920
this group of people they do the same thing that

480
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.799
my family does, but they add a little something to it,

481
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.000
and you see it all starts to come together. You know,

482
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.279
there are some saints in Mexico that are secretized with

483
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.319
Aztec gods. You know, I think that's very interesting and

484
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.599
a proof of the resilience of our ancestors to be

485
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.079
able to see the similarities in their religion and their

486
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.160
spiritual practices with this Catholicism, you know, and from a

487
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.319
magical standpoint, right, I think it's super interesting because, like

488
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.319
we were talking about in the beginning, we're seekers. We

489
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:04.960
start to see the similarities everything, right. Another tip is

490
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:09.000
to really understand what's called non dualism, right, and that's

491
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.000
to me, in my opinion, and where a lot of

492
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.720
scholars believe our ancestors believed in. We are not separate

493
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.319
from God. We are always connected and we are God

494
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.359
as well. Unlike the Catholic churches, you have to be

495
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.640
saved first in order to be with God. But you're

496
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:29.240
still separate, right, but you have to be saved in

497
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.359
a mess American practice, we're already perfect. We just evolve

498
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.680
and evolve and evolve.

499
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:37.759
I feink that's a really good place to take a

500
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:54.599
quick break. Welcome back, well friends again. We are here

501
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.759
with Alexis and Eric, the owners of City Alchemists. It's

502
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.400
where the witches shop. And it's not only where the

503
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.119
witch's shop, it's where the witches learn and commune. Can

504
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.799
you tell us about the classes and some of the

505
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.480
community events that you have held here or that will

506
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.119
be held in the future. And even before I mentioned

507
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.039
in the last maybe episode or two about the link

508
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.599
by the level or the egg cleansing class that I

509
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.799
was able to come and take here, which I loved. Oh,

510
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:25.920
it was so good. It was such a good experience

511
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.799
aside from you know, just coming to learn and shopping.

512
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.680
Just every time I have people visit here, especially if

513
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:35.200
it's their first time in Austin or visiting in a

514
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.519
long time, I tell them, Okay, well we have to

515
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.440
go to Cidy Alchemists and just so you can at

516
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.680
least like get in there and it feels like coming

517
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.559
in and like taking a bath, I don't know, like

518
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.720
spirits For me, that's I love coming here just you know,

519
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:48.240
I like to come and bother you and pop in

520
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.200
and like just look around and because it just feels

521
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.079
good aside from like everything that you offer, but also

522
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.559
of course including classes and events.

523
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.359
Yeah, I mean, first off, thank you, because that's great.

524
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.960
We we want to be that for people, you know,

525
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.400
we want to be that place where that people can

526
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.359
coming and just like take a breath of relief. Yeah.

527
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.920
So we have now, especially that we've moved into this

528
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.559
space it's been a little over a month, we have

529
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.240
more space now for community events. We had a space

530
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.119
prior to this. It was like a small little warehouse,

531
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.119
but it was very small. It could only house maybe

532
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.839
like eight max. So now we had literally thirty people

533
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.960
in here last night for an event. So we have

534
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.079
been doing mostly things like you know, movie nights. We're

535
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.599
actually doing the Craft on the fourteenth, which everybody's really

536
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:39.240
excited about. We have been doing those are the kind

537
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.279
of fun things. And then we've been doing classes, which

538
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.759
is something we've been wanting to do for a really

539
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.400
long time, and we've done a few of them at

540
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:46.839
the old space, but now that we're here in the

541
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:54.279
new space, we have more agility literally and that's why

542
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.319
I really enjoyed the Limpuda level class. We were able

543
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.920
to do it and have people be able to do

544
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.480
the Olympia on every as well. So we do those

545
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:05.839
types of classes. We also have online classes because obviously

546
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.640
we have community all over the world, and we have

547
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.200
a few that are available now, and then we have

548
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.319
some that we offer like kind of seasonally, like our

549
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.079
the other list, month lists and things like that. And

550
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.359
then we also have an online academy called the mcmon Academy,

551
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.920
where we teach pretty much everything. I have classes that

552
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.599
are on ballow, we have classes that are on Speithismo,

553
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.359
and then we even do things like traditional witchcraft and

554
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.079
European witchcraft and spiritism and all kinds of things like that.

555
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.960
And then I think a big thing for us, is

556
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:39.519
it kind of now, is that we're trying to get

557
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:45.200
more people here. So we're seeing about hosting more people

558
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.079
from out of town, other healers and practitioners. We have

559
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.839
one of our favorite people, Medicinal Milans, actually doing readings

560
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.680
here today. She's doing a strology readings correct. So we

561
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.480
definitely have more space, which means more opportunity for the community.

562
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.240
Is there anything you want to add to that? So?

563
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.480
I think that I'm really excited for the classes coming up. Specifically,

564
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.480
we're going to do a candle magic course beginner in advance.

565
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.640
I did a link I did a spiritual bath class

566
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.599
last year, and I want to do that again because

567
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:20.759
everyone really liked it, how to prepare and take spiritual baths. Really,

568
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.000
anything that people want to learn, I think we're going

569
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:23.799
to start doing it.

570
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.440
What's the class coming up in March? It's on yoga correct.

571
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.680
Yeah, So we have a class specifically not just on

572
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.440
like body postures, but working with the purana, which is

573
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.759
like the life force, how to cleanse, how to work

574
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:45.400
with chakras correctly from a traditional Vedantic Tantra tan tric

575
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:53.559
Indian standpoint or a viewpoint. And it's good because people

576
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.000
come into the shop they're like, well, how do I start?

577
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.319
And I'm like, well, you're not going to like this answer.

578
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.119
You have to start meditating to start clearing your mind,

579
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.680
because if you don't do that, you're not going to

580
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.559
be able to hold the visualizations you need to practice

581
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.000
these things. But I can concentrate, My mind is going everywhere.

582
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.160
That's the point. You're not supposed to concentrate on anything, right,

583
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.319
You're just supposed to bring your awareness and understand that

584
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.599
you are awareness, right, That is how things manifest. So

585
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.480
this class is really cool because the person teaching it

586
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.119
has been trained in these practices correctly. How to work

587
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.720
with your chocolates, how to clean those energies out, And

588
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.079
we'll be hosting that in March a couple of weeks.

589
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.480
I'm not sure when exactly this episode will come out.

590
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.079
So if people wanted to keep up with the classes

591
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:38.680
and the things that you're offering, where could they find

592
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.039
all that information our website.

593
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.519
We usually post everything on their. Instagram is probably our

594
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.279
number one though, because we're we use it a lot.

595
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.279
So we're always posting advertisements on their stories when we

596
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.400
get you products, and we usually post it on there too.

597
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.119
So if you're wanting to know if you know when

598
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.279
our books come back in, we usually post it on there.

599
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.599
So follow us on Instagram for sure, which is at

600
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.240
city Alchimist all one word on Instagram. Apparently we do

601
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.440
have a lot of our lot of fake versions of us.

602
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.839
Out there, and I'm always reporting them.

603
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.839
Yeah, thank you, And so if we reach out to

604
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.559
you wanting to give you a reading, that's not usum

605
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.000
and the same thing with our personal We've had fix

606
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:18.880
of our personal profiles as well.

607
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.960
I have yet to have one, but I'm still waiting.

608
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:22.640
I thought you did.

609
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:23.319
I'll make one.

610
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.720
Yeah, that's how they say you made it.

611
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.000
Yeah, it's me Eric, send me twenty five dollars.

612
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:29.119
Yeah.

613
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.640
And then the website is Cityalchimist dot com.

614
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:33.680
Correct awesome.

615
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.880
So I also want to talk about some of the

616
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.240
misconceptions that are out there about I'll just use the

617
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.559
word bu hitia to kind of cover maybe anything that

618
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.519
you want to go into. But are there any misconceptions

619
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.240
about boou hitia, about the work that you do that

620
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.440
you just kind of wish people would let go of.

621
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.680
I mean, one thing that we talk about in our

622
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.000
book Macha Machia in bookw Mexican Magic is that we're

623
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.480
we grew up. Bruhidia was a very specific term and

624
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.599
meant a very specific thing, whereas echisiitia is kind of

625
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.000
more so what we're seeing today, and then gurdanddismo as well.

626
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.800
So let me break that down really quickly. So for us,

627
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.199
if you were to refer yourself to yourself as a

628
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:22.400
bruja or brujo or bru hex, that was a fairly

629
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.360
dark thing. It meant that you basically had the power

630
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:33.159
and the ability to manipulate someone's life, make them obsessed

631
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.840
over somebody else, possibly kill them or hurt them. It

632
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.039
wasn't necessarily a healing term. It wasn't necessarily a general

633
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.239
magic term. If you were just practicing general magic, which

634
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.800
could include things like love spells but also money spells

635
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.880
and things along those lines, that was known as an

636
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:54.719
ecchy settle or somebody who practices spoke magic. Whereas if

637
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.280
you were a healer, you were a gurandeo, which is

638
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.800
a folk healer. So we've always kind of that distinction,

639
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:06.199
but of course nowadays especially it's been kind of taking

640
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.199
on its own terms. So you know, people who practice,

641
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.440
for example, they just read taro and they say every

642
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.960
taro bruja, right, And I mean, it's fun to play with,

643
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.360
you know, But at the same time, if you're if

644
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.119
you're being serious about it, it's it's an issue. So

645
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:22.880
let me give you an example. I've seen books come

646
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.719
out by non POC writers talking about bow hidia and

647
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.039
they're talking about limp yas you know, and even POC

648
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.320
writers for that matter. And that's to me, is is

649
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.760
hard because we're trying to educate people and to understand

650
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:41.599
that these are the practices that we grew up with

651
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.360
and so we're just trying to keep that distinction. But

652
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:49.280
I would say the one thing that probably when it

653
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.679
comes to brew hidia is it this idea that it's

654
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.320
always of the devil. Right, That's the main thing, is

655
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.360
of the devil. Everything is just like witchcraft. You say,

656
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.800
that's of the devil. And yes, there are some Brewas

657
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.280
that work with the devil. They are, but not every

658
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.119
form of bougidia works with that, we have blujidia working

659
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:13.360
with like I said, people like Venus, San Machiman, San Pascua,

660
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:18.000
like all these other saints and folks, saints not necessarily

661
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:24.199
just the devil or just dark evil types of presences.

662
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.840
I don't know kind of where I stand anymore, because

663
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.159
I think I'm becoming like those like older people in

664
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:33.880
the community, that we're just like, we'll just let people

665
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.119
do their own thing. We'll work on ourselves, and we'll

666
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.400
do what we have to do. Right Because Paso, we

667
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.920
didn't even call it brugidia. We just called rabajos, you know,

668
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.360
like workings, right. I think it's just where you come from. Obviously,

669
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.960
we have a generation now, especially in the US, that

670
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:55.360
really wants to reclaim the wordia in general. And that's

671
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.880
totally fine, right, You're allowed to do your own thing specifically.

672
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.000
What I'm understanding now is that even our ancestors, the mishika,

673
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.639
depending on where what season you were born in, that

674
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.400
automated that automatically you were recognized as someone who could

675
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:20.039
manipulate the forces, all right. So in I think in

676
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.719
our tradition, what I believe in is that our ancestors.

677
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.119
My ancestors, they recognized you as a person who can

678
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.679
do these things, and I think that that tradition is

679
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.400
being lost because even in Guddandadismo, right we had Guando's

680
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.000
recognized young children is oh they have the dawn or

681
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.400
they have something about them that they need to be

682
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:47.639
practicing these things, and that's lost. So it's it's it's

683
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.559
like becoming its own thing. It's totally fine. I think

684
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.079
what Alexis and I want to do is remind people

685
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.280
there's actually there's there's also this which is from the

686
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.079
past traditional. You know, I'm very much a traditionalist, but

687
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.119
I definitely also understand the resurgence and wanting to reclaim

688
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.159
that for ourselves.

689
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.960
You know. So, I think it would be safe to

690
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.400
say and correct me if I'm wrong, that you all

691
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.199
have had paranormal experiences. I think some people would say

692
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.280
that the work that you do innately is supernatural, it's

693
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.360
paranormal in the sense. I'm curious if either of you

694
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.519
have had, either individually or maybe in doing the work together,

695
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.559
if you've had any experiences that were really impactful or

696
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.159
that maybe even frightened you, because I would imagine that

697
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.320
it could be a little difficult to scare you all

698
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.280
because you know, I'm sure you have you.

699
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:44.960
Work with your I'm already getting excited.

700
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:48.760
Yeah, I just wanted to say, because I'm sure that

701
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.400
you know you all have your protections. You work with

702
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.039
spirits and with guides and ancestors that also guide and

703
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.440
protect you. So like, I'm like, do you ever actually

704
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.360
get scared? Is the opportunity to have it? Seeing your

705
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.480
reaction already, so please let me know, let us know.

706
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.559
So I have like two instances, right. One of my

707
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.239
first memories was actually seeing a spirit and I was

708
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.960
sharing a bumpk sorry bunk bed with my brother. I

709
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.320
was on the top one, and it was right when

710
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.039
the lights was breaking through in the morning and I

711
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.480
looked to my door and I see someone who I

712
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.199
think is like maybe even my cousin, but traditional, very pale,

713
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.920
wearing old style clothes, and it freaked me out, but

714
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.960
it didn't scare me right, and I turned the other way,

715
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.039
facing the wall, and then of course when I turned back,

716
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:41.880
they were gone. I told my parents about it. They

717
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.599
didn't really say anything, but they took me to a

718
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.360
gurandetto just to make sure because I started to see

719
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.800
spirits when I was little, Yeah, and the Gudandetto said

720
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.719
we'll get these iron scissors, we'll bless them and put

721
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.400
him by his bed to remove any sort of negative spirits.

722
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:55.480
I was trying to mess with them. So that was

723
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.039
my first one. The most recent one was when I

724
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.000
I acquired a San Cipriano book, and there's a lot

725
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.559
of legend around the book, right, so that it has

726
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:12.920
its own energy and it can be inviting negative and

727
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.400
positive things into your life. And I was like, okay, whatever,

728
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:19.559
and I put the book next to my bed. I

729
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:21.840
had a chair right there and I had to put

730
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.360
the book there. And then around three o'clock in the morning,

731
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.679
I started to have very very vivid, vivid, vivid dreams

732
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.960
in the valley and I'll passo old Brujas house and

733
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.760
everything like that. It was almost like test and trials.

734
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.280
And then I remember going into like sleep paralysis, and

735
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.360
I remember seeing like this force all around me trying

736
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.920
to like literally like the classic like choke me right.

737
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.599
And at that time my it sounds fanatical, but it's not.

738
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.639
My spiritual guides in my mind's eye in the spirit

739
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.239
world gave me like this dagger and with the dagger.

740
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.400
They told me, you have to defend yourself. So I

741
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.239
took the dag and I cut off this entity's hands

742
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.119
and then I woke up and immediately I thought to

743
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.239
myself and the message came to me. I have literally

744
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.000
just been initiated into the cult of San Cibriano and

745
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:13.920
I passed the test.

746
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:14.840
Oh my god.

747
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.400
Later that night, I wrapped up the book. I put

748
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.840
some holy herbs in the book, and I whooped that

749
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.039
book's ass. Because you're supposed to you have to show

750
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.159
it like, yeah, you're not going to dominate me. I'm

751
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.960
going to need you when I need you. Don't ever

752
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.800
do that to me again, you see. And I was like,

753
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.239
that was super vivid to me.

754
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:34.840
Okay, before you you answer, I need to share it.

755
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.639
So I've had an experience with the Sun Civiana book

756
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.840
and I did not pass the test. I was not

757
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:46.440
ready for her. So I bought the book and I,

758
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.840
you know, like started kind of skimming through it, and

759
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:50.440
then I slowly started reading it, and then I got

760
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.880
to a point where I was like, I don't know

761
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:56.239
if this is for me, and especially right now.

762
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:58.440
And that's how I inquired the books. The girl was

763
00:41:58.480 --> 00:41:59.880
like this is not for me. Do you want it?

764
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:00.039
So?

765
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:00.719
Yeah, I'll take it.

766
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.519
So it Yeah, it definitely at the time, thinking back

767
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.199
to where I was in life then it was this

768
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:10.320
was maybe like almost ten now, maybe like seven years ago,

769
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.480
I don't know, years ago. It's definitely not for me,

770
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.440
probably still not yet, but I was very curious and

771
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.960
so I got the book and then I got to

772
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.760
the where I was like, yeah, this is this isn't

773
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.920
for me. I'm going to return this like it, and

774
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.920
I also felt that energy where I was like a little.

775
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.199
Uneasy, a little that's the current of blue.

776
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.440
Hitdi Yeah, And so I was like I was like, no,

777
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:32.920
this is not for me, and I also don't think

778
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.239
I should hold on to it until I'm ready. I

779
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:36.599
was like, I'm going to return it and if I

780
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.679
ever need to revisit or I feel like already, I will.

781
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.039
So I was like, okay, I'm going to return it.

782
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.639
So i go online to the retailer to return it,

783
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.360
and I'm like shaking a little bit and I put

784
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:53.840
in the request and the site crashes and I'm like, okay,

785
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:55.920
so let me try again. So I keep trying and

786
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.840
the site is just not working. Mind you, like I

787
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.480
have like other tabs open. They're all working fine services okay.

788
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.239
I was like, it's their website whatever. So I call

789
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.559
the number and I say, hey, I have a book

790
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.440
I need to do your return. This is my order number.

791
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.639
And she's like, okay, if you could just go ahead

792
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:16.079
it the call drops. I was like, I was like,

793
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.039
I'm telling you I'm not ready for you, Like, I'm

794
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.039
so sorry I bothered you. I'm like I'm gonna I'm

795
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.639
trying to step away. And I called again and I

796
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.320
was like, hey, I'm so sorry, I just had this

797
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.519
call drop whatever whatever and explain again and they're like, oh,

798
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.840
if you just bring it into the retailer, they'll they'll

799
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.599
accept it. I was like, okay, thank you so much.

800
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.079
And before they could even respond, they're like, okay, have

801
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.639
the call drops again. And I was like, I'm getting

802
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.800
rid of you. I was like, I was like, this

803
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.239
relationship is not ready yet, obviously, and I don't want

804
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:50.679
to piss you off or bother you anymore. So I'm

805
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.239
going to go send you maybe somewhere where you're you know,

806
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.960
more respected, or just someone more equipped for you. And

807
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.239
so I had to physically go in mind you the

808
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.280
whole time I was driving, I was like, please do

809
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.760
not get in a car. At least I was like,

810
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.000
I hear you a lot and clear I shouldn't have

811
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.719
done this, like not ready yet. So fortunately I made it,

812
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:14.119
returned the book and yeah, so it's funny that you

813
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.239
brought that up and you mentioned this. I didn't know

814
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.039
the lore about like the energy around the book itself,

815
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.760
but I definitely felt it and was.

816
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.320
Like, and that's what Alexis and I talk about, right,

817
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.159
this idea that we want to reclaim a term that

818
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.039
has been a tradition for a very long time. And

819
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.679
then you get something like that book and you're not

820
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.960
ready for what's inside that book because it's what we

821
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.679
might consider sinister and things like that, right, and it

822
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.119
freaks us out, and then the energy starts to attach

823
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:40.800
itself to us, and then it starts to take over

824
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.639
our lives. We've had literally people bring in those books

825
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.360
and just hey, do you want this, and you give

826
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.719
it to you like yeah, sure, you know, yeah, that's Brewhidio.

827
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.199
I learned that actually when I was in high school

828
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.840
from this lady who was a Bruha. Her name is

829
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.519
the Rain, and she was the one that told me.

830
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.199
She was like, you cannot just like keep your books

831
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.039
prim and her like on a on a library. Like

832
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:04.239
She's like, you have to dominate those books. You have

833
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.599
to wrap them up in chains to throw them across

834
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:09.760
the room. And then she was like, I like to

835
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.679
put mine into the bedpost so that I cannot open

836
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.599
and like, and I was like, I was like, wow,

837
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:16.760
what are these books?

838
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:16.960
You know?

839
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:18.880
Like I need these books?

840
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.000
And so I'm sorry. This was who Lorraine who her.

841
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.480
Name was Lorraine? And I meet us and she was

842
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.880
the first boukuy I ever learned from in my hometown.

843
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.880
And she actually had and this is actually the story

844
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.880
I was going to tell too. She had what she

845
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.440
called her witch house, which was literally like it was

846
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.679
her house, and then she had this really old decrepit

847
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.440
like falling apart house that's old school. And it was

848
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.639
like we were like in the kitchen and a hard

849
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.800
bruhidias everywhere, and it was pretty crazy. And so one

850
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.440
time she was like, I want you to come help

851
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.039
me with this working that I'm going to do, and

852
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.159
I'm like, okay, So we go as me and my

853
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.079
friends because we were all into witchcraft at the time,

854
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.920
and she sets up like this pot and puts it

855
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.159
on the table. And then she has like this little

856
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.719
wax figure she's putting together, like she's literally making out

857
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.119
of wax, and she sticks like a photo inside, and

858
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.480
then she's taking pins and putting it in the doll

859
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:12.320
or the wax doll, and every time she's doing it,

860
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.519
she's like saying things like may she go crazy? May

861
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.519
she do this? Like pretty intense stuff, right, And then

862
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.840
she kept saying like may she have a heart attack,

863
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.159
and like putting like pins in the heart. And then

864
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.840
she put this whole wax doll in this pot, and

865
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.719
she took some lamp oil and she like throws throws

866
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.000
lamp oil and then sets it on fire, and then

867
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.000
it starts to make this kind of a woofing sound

868
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:38.880
like who and then it starts to sound like a heartbeat,

869
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:45.039
it's like, and then it starts going like that, and

870
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.039
then it just kind of just like goes out, And

871
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:52.320
I was like, that is crazy. And then I got

872
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:56.800
sick the next day, like just horribly sick. And I

873
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.119
got better after a few days, but I got sick again,

874
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.880
and then I got better and I got sick again,

875
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.519
and like each time, like the doctor's like why what's

876
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.599
going on? Like, how are you getting sick over and over?

877
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.920
Like it's impossible because usually you get sick with like

878
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.920
a flu or something, you've got the antibodies for a while.

879
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.840
But I literally got sick three times after that, and

880
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.079
so it kind of really freaked me out. That was

881
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.360
definitely like one of the crazier experiences. The other experience

882
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.159
I literally had one just the other day. Here. I

883
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.239
was like here at the register and I was on

884
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.840
my phone doing something and I was like, somebody's watching me.

885
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.679
I turn around and the best thing I could describe

886
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.039
is like a seven or eight foot tall being was

887
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.280
standing behind me, and I was like, God, so, yeah,

888
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.320
we do get scared, you know. It's not like we're like,

889
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:43.280
oh yeah, I've seen it all. Yeah, Like stuff like

890
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:44.719
that happens. Definitely.

891
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.480
I did at least buy something.

892
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.000
You got the skull, oh yeah, So we we sell

893
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.000
human bones here, like it's something that we have some

894
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.559
right now, And we've had human skulls before. And we

895
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.239
had one that we had just gotten in and we

896
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.519
still had it at like the house, so we're just like, okay,

897
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.280
it's you know, it's fine. So I had you had

898
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.480
already left. No.

899
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.599
I had an experience the night before we had experience that.

900
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.960
So I was taking a shower. I was taking a shower.

901
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.440
We had just bought that skull in and you know,

902
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.159
I lived like like Alexis and I used to be partners.

903
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.760
We were together for a while. And when I would

904
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.320
take a shower to sleep, the door open, right whatever.

905
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.840
And the shower that we had didn't have like an

906
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.320
actual like shower curtain because it had like a divider,

907
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.039
and so I left it open, and I looked to

908
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.480
the room area and I could see like an outline

909
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:36.840
of somebody walking across the room and I thought it

910
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.119
was Alexis. And I was like hey Alexis, and nothing right.

911
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.039
I was like, okay, whatever, And then the next day

912
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:43.440
Alexis has an experience.

913
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.199
I was sitting at the table and the table was

914
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.119
like it was actually that table. I was sitting at

915
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.880
the table and behind me the I had just kind

916
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:53.800
of set the skull like on this window sill that

917
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:55.400
we had. It was really big, it was like almost

918
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.280
like two feet and I was like, oh, yeah, i'll

919
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.760
take it to the shop later, that kind of thing.

920
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.239
And so I'm sitting there and I'm on my computer

921
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.719
or something working on something, and I just kind of

922
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:05.719
like do this kind of thing, and I'm like, oh,

923
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.039
that's weird. I feel like like my my shirt's choking

924
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.239
me or something. And then I do it again and

925
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:13.800
I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm choking. And then

926
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.000
it started to feel like hands were choking me. I

927
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:21.159
was like, okay, it's like something's going on, and I like,

928
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.679
what is going on? Like, what's different? What's changed? You

929
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.719
know what I mean? Because we have the house pretty protected.

930
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.519
And then I turn around and there's the skull, just

931
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.760
like staring at me, and I'm like all right. So

932
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.239
I was like, you want to mess with me? Fine,

933
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.119
and I grabbed it and I took it to At

934
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.800
the time, we had this garage where we kept like

935
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.039
like all the follow stuff for example, and I said, fine,

936
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:40.639
I'm gonna put you with with the spirits, and I

937
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:42.320
wrapped it up in a handkerchief and I put it

938
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.159
there with the spirits and everything was fine. But then

939
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.119
Eric gets home and he was like.

940
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.039
What did I say to you?

941
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.360
Were like, like, I had the craziest dream last night.

942
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.920
Oh yeah, I was like the dream I dream was

943
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.599
like I was I don't know if I was liking

944
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.079
lucid dreaming or something, but I had a dream something

945
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.039
was like choking me and I was like, oh my god,

946
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.719
I was I felt like I was getting Choked's that damn.

947
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.960
School, that damn skull. So we named him the Choker. Yeah,

948
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.960
and for the longest time like that was it. That

949
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.280
was the Choker, And I think, if I'm not mistaken,

950
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.320
I think Alex has him.

951
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.280
Now I don't know.

952
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.760
Yeah, one of our friends who's who actually teaches from

953
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.760
mclon Academy is a brujo in South Texas. I think

954
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:22.599
he has the Choker.

955
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.679
Now do you know any history of who that school

956
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:27.559
was or No?

957
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.679
It was a male male skull, yeah, and he had

958
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:32.440
Is that the one with the really messive teeth? I

959
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.760
can't remember. Yeah, I hate this really messed up like teeth.

960
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.960
But we've had that one. And we had one called

961
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.880
the Bier because every time we would see it look

962
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.119
like like a pac Man like, yeah, it was like

963
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.599
like that kind of thing. But yeah, they have personalities

964
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.559
and some of them are not great. We've had a

965
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.920
really nice one. Actually, we had this one little it

966
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.079
was an Asian male skull that would just brought so

967
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.599
much happiness to the shop, Like every time people would

968
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.159
see it be like, oh, I feel so light and

969
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.599
you know, and then even when we sold, we were

970
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.920
so sad whether he was gone my friend, Yeah, exactly exactly.

971
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.440
But we have had experiences like that, for sure, and

972
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.360
we've we've had also, like just like some more positive ones.

973
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.039
Yeah, anything that you care to share.

974
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.920
Oh, I mean the one that I always tell because

975
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.239
this was amazing, was when we had an individual call

976
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.960
in the morning saying, uh, is there any way that

977
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.360
y'all can fix the candle for me? And we're like, yeah,

978
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.679
what's going on. He's like, well, I'm here at the hospital. Uh.

979
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.480
He's like, my son was in a was in a

980
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:33.480
really bad car accident, and they're telling me that he's

981
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.239
not going to be able to walk again, that he's

982
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.039
shattered like all these bones in his body, and that

983
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.280
you know, possible brain bleeding. It was a pretty intense.

984
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:46.760
He was an er and he's like, I'm from Corpus

985
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.199
CHRISTI and I go get my candles fixed at uh

986
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.480
text Max Curios, which we know very well. We actually

987
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.800
know the owners of text Max Curios. And I said, Okay,

988
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.679
He's like I know that you know candles can do things.

989
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.360
I've see them heal all kinds of things, and I just,

990
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.039
you know, I want to get my candle fixed. My son.

991
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.679
I said, absolutely, so come on by. I said. We

992
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.039
opened a few minutes. So he comes by and he's

993
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.719
showing me pictures and I mean, he looks bad. He's

994
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.800
covered in blood. And then I said, well, you know,

995
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.559
we're going to fix acoustic attabacca candle because the lady

996
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.159
who runs text mix Curios, she wrote a book on

997
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.039
the crusta cutabaca, a really great book that I always

998
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.239
recommend to my students, and it's at all healing candle.

999
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.599
It's known for its miraculous properties. So he was like,

1000
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.920
can you all burn it for me because the hospital

1001
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.159
want me burn it in the room. I'm like, yeah,

1002
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.599
that's not a problem. So I said, before we do that,

1003
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:38.800
I said, I want to sell it to get together,

1004
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.480
and we're going to pray over this candle. So we're

1005
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.920
all his him and I think his girlfriend, and we're

1006
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.920
all holding the candle and praying for his son. And

1007
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:47.719
I took the candle home and I said, give me

1008
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.679
your own phone number. When another candle's done, I'll text

1009
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.360
you and let you know that it's clear or whatever.

1010
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.039
The next day, I was actually off, but Eric was

1011
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:59.239
working and he gets a phone call and the guy says,

1012
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.039
he's he literally just walked out of the arm And

1013
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.760
the doctors can't figure out how this happened, Like they're

1014
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.679
like they don't know how, but he walked out, like

1015
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.119
he's like literally because I texted him, I was like, hey,

1016
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.239
your candle's clear, and he's like, he literally did not

1017
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.199
even take the wheelchair, Like he literally walked out.

1018
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:20.679
Of r miraculously.

1019
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.920
Oh. It's got to feel so like I didn't want

1020
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.840
to say rewarding, but just like I feel like I

1021
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.400
would feel so grateful too, who or whatever is out

1022
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.079
there for like listening and responding and like holding that family.

1023
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:39.679
That's the to be sure, you know, it's I never

1024
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.360
we've we never took like oh yeah we did that. Yeah, Like,

1025
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.920
well we petitioned on your behalf and this energy took

1026
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:46.880
interest in you, and.

1027
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.280
Yeah, that's spirit, you know that spirit, that's God, that's

1028
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.519
whatever you want to call it. They did the work.

1029
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.719
All we did was help.

1030
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:58.320
Yeah. Yeah, oh my god, what a beautiful, beautiful light.

1031
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.920
Notue to get close to the end of the episode

1032
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:13.159
on So speaking of spirits and whether positive or negative,

1033
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.559
what is something I'm curious. This is something I am

1034
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.440
trying to ask all my guests now. I'm curious if

1035
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.480
there's anything that is currently haunting you. And by that,

1036
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.480
I mean is there a song, a book, a musician,

1037
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.119
a movie, anything that's just kind of like won't leave

1038
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:35.400
your head for some reason that you've been either attached

1039
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.320
to or has been attached to you lately?

1040
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.039
I mean, what isn't haunting us? Right? I mean, you know,

1041
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.920
this year, as I work with a night hourl podcast,

1042
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.280
I'm always having to put myself in those situations, right,

1043
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:50.440
always having to work with spirits and clearer spirits out.

1044
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.199
But I mean I would say that I think we're

1045
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.760
both kind of an ANALYSTI Crawley Kick lately and so

1046
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:02.280
he's definitely been haunting us lately. We've been and I

1047
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.480
mean we've been reading Alstacoli for a really long time.

1048
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.280
But for some reason, like you started reading Magic and

1049
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.119
I was like, oh, I'm reading Magic, and then like

1050
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.280
you know, it's kind of going back and forth. But

1051
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.519
I think for me what haunts me is, Yeah, this

1052
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.480
is probably the most honest answer you're ever going to

1053
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.280
get out of me too. What haunts me is the

1054
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.719
fact that I have so much more that I want

1055
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:27.519
to learn and I want to do, and I just

1056
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.880
feel like I don't have the time to do it.

1057
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.480
That's what haunts me the most, because I want to

1058
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.440
be able to to travel more and go experience more

1059
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.800
of these traditions in the heartlands. Right, to be able

1060
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.320
to go see one of my gurus who lives he

1061
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:46.000
lives in Italy, but he goes to India many many times,

1062
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.320
you know, because that's where he's from. Or to be

1063
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:51.840
able to go to Brazil and work with my teacher

1064
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.039
in Brazilian Kimbanda, you know, to go to Cuba and

1065
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.320
visit the grave of Da Jose, the most famous you

1066
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.079
know Balto in the world essentially, you know, So that

1067
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:05.159
type of thing. That's probably what haunts me because as

1068
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.280
we said earlier, this is a lot of work and

1069
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:12.039
running a shop takes a lot of time. So we'll

1070
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:12.440
get there.

1071
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.760
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I don't know. I think what's been

1072
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.000
on my mind recently a lot or a lot? Is

1073
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.360
it sounds weird, but like New Orleans. I used to

1074
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.400
go there like every single year, right, and then recently,

1075
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.000
I've just been getting hit with like New Orleans, New Orleans,

1076
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.920
New Orleans to visit North.

1077
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.760
We literally went like right before we opened.

1078
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.280
That was the last time we went, and that.

1079
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:35.960
Was the last time.

1080
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.159
That's calling you back, Yeah, and needs to show you

1081
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:40.119
or tell you something.

1082
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.519
Yeah, nothing fun. I mean, I guess it could be fun,

1083
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.880
but it's not like, oh yeah, Billie Holiday is calling me.

1084
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.760
Yeah, you know, I'm curious. And this is also like

1085
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.880
a personal question. Is he I think I can see

1086
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.880
him on the stickers over there, but also on the

1087
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.480
bags that you like give people the little figure with

1088
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:06.199
it looks like leaves sprouting from the head. Yeah, I'm curious.

1089
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.239
Can you tell us who that is and why them?

1090
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.199
If you'd like to, you don't have to share if

1091
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:12.840
it's too personal.

1092
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.119
Connect No. Well, so, I mean our name is City Alchemist, right,

1093
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:18.880
which is a name that Eric came up with. This

1094
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.360
is a fantastic name. It means, you know, as an alchemist,

1095
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.280
you have the ability to make things change, to manifest.

1096
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.480
And we are in the city, you know. So we

1097
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.280
talk about this idea of like it's one thing to

1098
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:32.679
go we able to go into the woods and do

1099
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.039
your witchcraft. But we have to work in this industrial park,

1100
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.639
right and we have to be able to connect to

1101
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.320
the energies through that. And so for the longest time,

1102
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.000
our image was the alabara, which we have a lot

1103
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.880
of association with, but we wanted to change it up

1104
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.519
a little bit and we both really liked the mandrake.

1105
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:55.320
We actually both have the mandrake tattoo and because it's

1106
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.159
a representation of that alchemical change and reaction essentially, so

1107
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.760
we were like, why don't we just change it to

1108
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.760
the mandrake, and we both have a mandrik Tech two,

1109
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:07.840
we both associate ourselves with it, so that's how it showed.

1110
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:13.360
Up also for me. Supposedly there's some lore in the

1111
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:18.320
nineteen sixties that gay witches were also using the symbol

1112
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.920
of the man drake as a form of resistance to

1113
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.679
the system. So that's another like legend that's out there.

1114
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.320
Whether we can prove it or not, we don't know,

1115
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.199
but it's a documented that male witches in the nineteen

1116
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.920
sixties was use it as a symbol of Yeah, the

1117
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:33.960
one with.

1118
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:38.360
The mandrake and the and the horn, the horn one, yeah,

1119
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.119
we're considered, but also the lady drake too, the you

1120
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.639
know that is so patch up there.

1121
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.039
Actually, the Lady Drake, I see her, I see her.

1122
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.280
Or as I like to call her, the wo Man Drake.

1123
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.719
The warm Magic the she Drake. Yeah, because I remember

1124
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:55.639
now that you mentioned it, I like, I do, I

1125
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.480
remember the original the ala vera plant that you all

1126
00:58:59.559 --> 00:58:59.960
used to have.

1127
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:01.639
You still have it on the signe outside.

1128
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.880
Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh my god?

1129
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:03.400
How cool?

1130
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:03.880
Wow?

1131
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.599
Well, thank you for sharing that. All right, and then

1132
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.199
we'll be right back. We're gonna go ahead and take

1133
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:17.480
a break.

1134
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.800
Welcome back. All right, we are once again joined by

1135
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.079
Eric and Alexis of City Alchemist. Now we're going to

1136
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:35.559
talk about paranormal investigations as you both have done. Alexis

1137
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.960
and Eric, you've both been on The Night Owl, which

1138
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.320
has been what is it three years now? Best of

1139
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:47.480
Austin podcast three, Steven give me a chance. But honestly

1140
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.639
one of my favorite shows too. It is like a

1141
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:53.000
go to. I always save it for road trips because

1142
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:55.840
you know, between episodes, I'm like, please, I need the

1143
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.440
next one. Yea, So please go listen to The night Owl.

1144
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.639
It's so good and I love the work that you

1145
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.119
all do over there. But I'm curious about I guess

1146
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:11.599
your perspectives as practitioners as and maybe for other like

1147
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.679
mediums and psychicks out there if they could, they're curious

1148
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.159
about this sort of thing. So could you share a

1149
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:21.159
bit about your experience as paranormal investigators or as people

1150
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.079
who have done paranormal investigations?

1151
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.280
Yeah? Well, I mean I met Stephen in college and

1152
01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.840
we were both actually one film school. And it was

1153
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.360
funny because we talked about this a lot, how we

1154
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.280
kind of had like a tiny little rivalry, not in

1155
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:35.159
a bad way, but just kind of like we were

1156
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:40.119
both making really fun, creepy films and we were like, oh,

1157
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:41.920
who does this person think they are like that kind

1158
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.519
of thing? And then it turned into from that into

1159
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.280
us realizing that we loved the same type of movies,

1160
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.639
especially paranormal movies. And then I was kind of like, hey,

1161
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.119
do you believe in ghosts? He's like, I do believe

1162
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:54.360
in ghosts, and I was like, well, when I was younger,

1163
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:56.760
I used to go to the graveyards and take tape recorders.

1164
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.039
She's like, oh, I hued to do that stuff too,

1165
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.719
And then it went from there to like let's do that,

1166
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.239
you know, And then whenever he moved here and I

1167
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.000
moved here shortly after. We just kind of continued with

1168
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.519
doing that through a group we had called the Occult

1169
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:17.840
Sciences Society, and then afterwards that kind of ended and

1170
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.920
we started working together at the same nonprofit. And that's

1171
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.000
when he was like, I have this idea for the show.

1172
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.159
Actually this was the original idea. He's like, I have

1173
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.000
this idea for the show where I just interview people

1174
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:31.280
who are having haunted experiences at their workplace and then

1175
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.239
we just get all the stories in the history. But

1176
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.440
then he just kind of like randomly decided to invite Sarah,

1177
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.079
and then Sarah started picking things up, and that's literally

1178
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.320
the first episode of the show, and it became kind

1179
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.960
of the formula it was bringing in clairvoyance and psychics.

1180
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.519
And I was already involved with the show, but I

1181
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.039
was kind of in like behind the scenes. I wasn't

1182
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:56.000
really didn't hear my voice or anything until later whenever

1183
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:57.800
he had me coming in and helping out with the

1184
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.320
more spiritual aspects of the show. So go out negative energies,

1185
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:03.880
showing people how to protect themselves, showing people how to

1186
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.000
deal with spirits in their own home, things like that,

1187
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.840
And I mean, so I already had a paranormal background,

1188
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.679
but it just kind of like mixed with my spiritual background.

1189
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.679
And that's kind of how I found myself on the show.

1190
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.199
Yeah, I record about yourself.

1191
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.960
Well, just like through a lexus to association, just like

1192
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.079
going to every now and then. I used to go

1193
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:30.960
to like some investigations. Yeah, I think. Also I also

1194
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:34.719
clean like houses that have spirits in them, so I

1195
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.400
clean those houses too. I actually clean Monica from Soul

1196
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.920
Solace's studio one time.

1197
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.199
Yeah, she told me about the experiences there. I haven't

1198
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.280
heard that episode, go check it out. So I mean

1199
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:51.199
and listening to the night Alu also like getting to

1200
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.960
know you a little bit more. I'm really appreciative and

1201
01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:00.920
interested in your approach to the lenp bails and stuff,

1202
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:03.239
and like the cleansings of not only people, but of

1203
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:07.719
like their spaces and when you're encountering entities let's call

1204
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.800
them or spirits. I get the sense that you approach

1205
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.599
it with a set of like ethics, and I'm curious

1206
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:20.079
about your approach to and maybe I guess, yeah, just

1207
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.320
how you like ethically approach cleansing a space, especially when

1208
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.519
you encounter an entity, whether it's human or non human.

1209
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:33.719
I mean, I will say this with then, we have

1210
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.760
yet to come across some inhuman spirit I mean, with

1211
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.320
the exception of elementals and gnomes for those of you

1212
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:44.199
that know the stories. But I think the biggest thing

1213
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.440
for us is, like, we have to remember that these

1214
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:51.199
are human energies, right, These are human people who at

1215
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.920
one point, you know, had normal lives just like us.

1216
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.639
So I think that the biggest issue that we see

1217
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.320
a lot is that people have a tendency to kind

1218
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.760
of mistreats spirits. Right. They come in to their space

1219
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.920
and they're like make noises for me, or make a

1220
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.880
banging sound or whatever, and it's very much like a

1221
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.519
like a show. Right. So I think that the biggest

1222
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.920
thing is we have to look at it from the

1223
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.400
perspective of humanize it a little bit more. Have empathy

1224
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.400
and sympathy, you know what I mean. That's the biggest

1225
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:24.119
part of it. So we do that a lot as healers.

1226
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:26.400
I think too. For that matter, we don't go in

1227
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.880
there and be like we're gonna blast all these spirits out,

1228
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.400
you know. We go in there with this idea of like, okay,

1229
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.880
well let's see who needs to go. Are they stuck here?

1230
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.199
Why are they stuck here? You know? What can we

1231
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.360
do to help them? And then if we get at

1232
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.320
those people who are like I just want to cause

1233
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.079
chaos and wreak havoc, then those ones we're probably gonna

1234
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.679
you know, help them push them out a little harder,

1235
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.119
a little nudge, yes, would you agree? Yeah?

1236
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:53.760
For sure? I think for me, since I know, I

1237
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.199
don't do the podcast a lot, but I have experiences

1238
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.840
with spirits and things like that. I don't really tell

1239
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.280
a lot of people at all, actually, but I have

1240
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:06.119
performed like what you might consider like exorcisms, you know,

1241
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:12.159
and the ethics that's involved with that. You have to

1242
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:15.599
be very careful how to navigate those types of situations

1243
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:20.000
because not only are you dealing with an entity that

1244
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:27.760
has basically got into somebody's astral or spiritual body, but

1245
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.000
you're also dealing with the person who's the victim as well,

1246
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.199
and then trying to heal the components of why it happened,

1247
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.320
you know. But yeah, I have a Alexis like Alexis

1248
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.320
like very respectful, right. I think my specialty is removing

1249
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.599
harsher energies and negative what we might consider negative spirits.

1250
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.199
So for me, my spiritual guides have helped me to

1251
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:51.960
develop a type of attitude a very like we're going

1252
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.800
in with the mission, do not deviate from it, and

1253
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:56.559
you have to do what you have to do, And

1254
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.440
what I have to do is very very forceful, you know,

1255
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.760
that's my personality in general. Sometimes this is very very

1256
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.119
like Mars energy with that, you know.

1257
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:12.320
Yeah, which is do you all have maybe a bit

1258
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:18.480
of advice for either like psychic mediums or brugues or

1259
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.880
people who have a practice, who have a skill a

1260
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:27.199
skill set who want to use that skill set to

1261
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:31.480
help people with these kinds of cleansings or investigations or

1262
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:32.280
anything like that.

1263
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.760
Yeah, I would say that, you know, I when it

1264
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.480
comes to working with spirits or with a podcast, I'm

1265
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.880
an investigator first and a spiritual leader if you will, second,

1266
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.719
and a cult expert, meaning that I'm going to go

1267
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.239
in there with an investigative mind of what is an

1268
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.360
actual spirit, what is just made up? What is most

1269
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.239
likely just wind or you know those types of things.

1270
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.360
If you go in there with this mindset of like

1271
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:00.639
I am a spiritual healer and I'm going to go

1272
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.079
in there and I'm gonna blast out anything that's negative

1273
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:07.800
you're not You're not keeping it balanced, right, So it's

1274
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.079
a we refer to it as open minded skepticism. Be

1275
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.559
open minded, but also be skeptical to get to find

1276
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:17.199
that balance. Uh. Not everything is a spirit, Not everything

1277
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:20.760
is a demon, you know, So bring that part first,

1278
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.480
That's the first thing I say. Then once you have

1279
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:27.039
discovered what is happening and investigated and done that part,

1280
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.559
that's when you put your spiritual cap on and say, Okay,

1281
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.480
now how can I either help or remove this energy

1282
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.199
or entity. I think that's the biggest part of it.

1283
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.840
Uh So many of the mediums and occult experts that

1284
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.119
we see sometimes on these types of like paranormal shows,

1285
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.119
go there with the immediate like the d word. Right,

1286
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.039
it's a demon. It's a demon. We get it, remove it,

1287
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.320
We have to we have to do this hoodoo spell

1288
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:53.920
or whatever it is to remove it. It's not always

1289
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.280
the case, right, it's really it's really rare for stuff.

1290
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:00.440
And not only that, but like as the spiritual practitioner,

1291
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.440
we also know that demons aren't necessarily a bad thing.

1292
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.280
They're just extremely powerful entities that don't necessarily think the

1293
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:11.880
same way we do, Right, They don't have the same

1294
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:14.679
vibes that we carry, you know, that type of thing.

1295
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.159
And yeah, some of them are mischievous and some of

1296
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:20.479
them just do want to reak havoc, but most of

1297
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.159
the time they're just kind of like, I got my

1298
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:23.920
own thing, you know, I got my own thing I'm

1299
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:26.119
worrying about, and you all are over here like you're

1300
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.560
agitating me. Yeah, you know that type of deal.

1301
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:31.680
Yeah, if you agitate someone enough, they're going to respond.

1302
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:35.760
Yeah. Yeah, whether it's a human entity or another. So

1303
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.720
I think that's the biggest thing, you know, and we're

1304
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:41.239
seeing a lot more of that than we're seeing demons

1305
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:43.680
just going out there to reak havoc on people. Not

1306
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.239
saying that doesn't happen. It does, but it's to me,

1307
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:50.439
it's more rare. I think. I think people get upset

1308
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:53.000
with me a lot on investigations because they expect me

1309
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.359
to come in with that mindset of like it's a spirit,

1310
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:57.520
I gotta clear you, we gotta do limpiap and I'm

1311
01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:59.840
just gonna like, no, honestly, this is something that you

1312
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.079
can to tell it to leave you alone, and it will, yeah,

1313
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:02.800
you know. Yeah.

1314
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.359
And Eric, any advice.

1315
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:07.920
I think my advice would be to have a healthy

1316
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:14.920
balance between humility and confidence. Listen more than you talk.

1317
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.920
That's definitely been something that my mentors have taught me

1318
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:23.159
is listen more talk less. And I've known very strong

1319
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.520
mediums who you don't even know that they're a medium

1320
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.119
or a booh or anything like that, because they just

1321
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.319
stay quiet. They listen more. Right. Like Alexa said, you

1322
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:37.119
have people coming in look at me, right, And my

1323
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.439
advice is just to listen as best you can because

1324
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.399
you find out a lot about a place just by

1325
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:44.159
staying quiet.

1326
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.880
And do you need to add one more thing about mediums,

1327
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.359
especially because this is something that I've seen a lot

1328
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:54.520
in the field. Mediums who are not very well trained.

1329
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:58.479
And I'm not trying to sure be you call anybody.

1330
01:09:58.199 --> 01:09:59.600
Out or anything, say their nickn.

1331
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.760
They have a tendency to create stories exactly. So for example,

1332
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:11.720
they hear something or see something and instead of trying

1333
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.680
to piece the puzzles together, they piece the puzzle together

1334
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.600
in their mind and create a story. Oh well, this

1335
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.159
person made this specific gesture, so it must mean that

1336
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.800
they're being held by a dmon or an energy. You know.

1337
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.000
It could be that we're just not interpreting it or

1338
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.960
understanding it. Correctly. So I would say that's the biggest

1339
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:36.319
thing for mediums is really for a focus on your practice, study, learn, train.

1340
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.640
You know, just because you're a natural medium doesn't mean

1341
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.399
that you can't train, you know. I go to the

1342
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.079
Spiritualist Church every Sunday to help open up my mediumship.

1343
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:49.800
We do a free mediumship class every Thursday to help

1344
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.319
develop mediumship. I'm never going to stop learning, you know.

1345
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.279
So I think that's a big part of it. And

1346
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.199
so many times two people come in there thinking like

1347
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.840
I'm a medium and I know I have the ability

1348
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:01.880
there before I can see and I know everything. Yeah,

1349
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.039
not necessarily the case. Wow.

1350
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.039
Thank you all so much for that advice, and thank

1351
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:09.920
you for joining us for this episode. We were at

1352
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:13.239
the end of our questions today. Again, I really appreciate

1353
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.520
all having me here. I was telling Dan and thank

1354
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.640
you Dan behind the camera that this interview has been

1355
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.760
a long time coming. I have been visiting Sadi Alchemists.

1356
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:26.880
I've been visiting y'all since before I moved to Austin,

1357
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.159
and then as soon as I moved here, I was like,

1358
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.199
I gotta have them on the show, and it was

1359
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.159
always like, let's record. Yeah, and then I just never

1360
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:37.359
did anything. So I'm happy we're finally able to make

1361
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:39.680
it happen to bring you all to the listeners of Sustel.

1362
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:41.960
And if you all are out there, if you are

1363
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.600
in Austin, if you are visiting, please I implore you

1364
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.239
do yourself the favor and come visit City Alchemist, take

1365
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:51.439
a class, come to an event, follow online. And again,

1366
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:53.960
if people wanted to do that, where could they visit

1367
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.079
you all online?

1368
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:57.840
So Instagram is a really good way to reach out

1369
01:11:57.880 --> 01:11:59.880
to us. We usually, I would say, respond to it

1370
01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:01.920
more so than email, to be honest, because we have

1371
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.520
like thousands of emails. Instagram's good. We'll try to get

1372
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.319
back to as soon as we can. You can also

1373
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:11.359
reach out to a personal Instagram mineus journey to McMahon

1374
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:17.279
on Instagram, and also you can email us info at

1375
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:20.720
Citiakamas dot com or dot co either one. We own both.

1376
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:23.479
And I would say the other thing too is you

1377
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:27.079
can always call the shop. Everybody who works here has

1378
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:29.760
the ability to help you out in any way that

1379
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:31.800
we can, and if we need to take it to

1380
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.359
a higher level, we will. You know, we've had cases

1381
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:35.960
for the night. It will happen because the people that

1382
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:39.399
came into the store, so feel free to reach out.

1383
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.159
And that's a big thing too. I think I tell

1384
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:44.239
this all the time to people, like reach out to us,

1385
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.439
like we will try our best to help you, and

1386
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:48.199
so many times people are like, I just I just

1387
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:50.399
didn't want to bother you, and I'm like, okay, I

1388
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:53.000
get that, but I mean, yeah, we're busy, but at

1389
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.199
the same time, we will make the time. You know,

1390
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:56.600
we will make the time to help it in any

1391
01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.760
way that we can. If we can't help you, we

1392
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.159
will send you to somebody who can. That's really a

1393
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.000
big thing about us, even at our store, Like we

1394
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:04.520
don't have the product, We'll send you to the place

1395
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:05.560
we know that does have it.

1396
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.039
Yeah, and Eric, any online things that you would like

1397
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:11.520
to plug, no.

1398
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:13.760
Lex has pretty much covered all of them. My personal

1399
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.479
handle on Instagram is so you can find me there.

1400
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.840
Just search Eric Lobrado and I'm there. Like Alex I said,

1401
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.279
I'm very good at responding to d ms for some

1402
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:26.199
reason and not like professional. I think it's just like

1403
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:28.840
the generational gap there, but I'm pretty quick.

1404
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.159
Awesome. Well again, thank you all so much. I will

1405
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:34.840
talk to you in the next one and until then

1406
01:13:35.239 --> 01:14:10.399
not the Bye stars st.