Oct. 10, 2024

Freakish Films ft. Miguel Martinez

Freakish Films ft. Miguel Martinez

I'M A STARRR! In this episode, Ayden welcomes filmmaker Miguel Martinez to discuss his short horror film, Lechuza, which draws from Latin American folklore. They explore the emotional themes of grief and family, the creative process behind filmmaking,...

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I'M A STARRR! In this episode, Ayden welcomes filmmaker Miguel Martinez to discuss his short horror film, Lechuza, which draws from Latin American folklore. They explore the emotional themes of grief and family, the creative process behind filmmaking, and the importance of sound design in horror!

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Hey goolfriends, it's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way, I

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am still your host, and you are still listening to Susto,

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the podcast of ooky, spooky scary stories centered on Latin

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American Hispanic cultures. Ghoul friends, thank you so much for

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being here. Not only are you listening, but if you

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are a Patreon subscriber, then you can also be watching this.

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I'm doing this two ways. This time. I am making

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this video, this episode accessible to anyone who is a

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But best gool friends are still only getting the bonus

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content for this episode. It's just something I'm trying out.

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I don't know if it'll stick. We'll see what happens.

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I'll see what the feedback is. Let me know what

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you think. But if you are not a Patreon subscriber,

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then you are listening to this episode coming to you

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Thank you for being here. Long story short, I really

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appreciate it. Let me tell you all really quick. I

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don't have that many updates. All I'm going to say

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is that this month as expected, and I will always

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say I appreciate it. I welcome it, I encourage it,

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I want more of it. But I am that video

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of Gaga going bus club, plane Club, another club, No Sleep.

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That's literally me this month, and I am so excited

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about it. I am very tired, but I'm very excited.

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And so again, if you have not seen that post

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on social media, I'm going to post another one, probably

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after recording this, so the day before it comes out

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you'll see it. When you see it, you'll know that

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that was tonight. Anyway, with all of my events, and

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I'm going to put all the flyers in there as well,

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with all of the details. I'm so excited to be

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doing all of these events. I'm so excited to see

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all of you there. If you have any questions about them,

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please do not hesitate to reach out to me. And

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I hope that you've been having a wonderful spooky season

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so far. I know we're still in the first beginnings

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of this month, but I feel like once it gets kicking,

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it's gonna go by fast. So anyway, I hope you

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all are having a good time. Let me know what

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you're dressing up as for Halloween. I'm just so happy

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it's October and everyone's finally on the same page. If

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you don't have plans and if it's between one of

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my events. I also posted the Susto's thirty one Nights

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of Frights on all social media, so let me know

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what you think of that as well. Feel free to

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toss in what movies you would have had on there

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and let me know if you're going to watch any

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of those this month. Okay, I know I said not

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too many updates, so we will keep it short house

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keeping kinds of things. The easiest way to support SUSTO

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that means leaving five star ratings and reviews, by leaving comments,

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by sending me your stories for a letter from the

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Beyond episode you already know how to do that social

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media DMS, email, the website, putting tears of a fairy

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in a crystal glass it has to be crystal, and

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then swirling it three times clockwise and four times counterclockwise

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and throwing it over your shoulder while saying your story,

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I will hear it in my sleep. With all of

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that being said, we have another special guest this episode.

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I'm very excited to speak to this person. I'm very

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excited for you to hear from this person. They will

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be introducing themselves once more in a minute here, but

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without further ado, please welcome screenwriter and film director Miguel Martinez. Hello, girlfriend,

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and today we have a very special guest all the

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way from the world of film and creation, Miguel Martinez,

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writer and director of Litusa. Thank you so much for

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being here with us.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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So I want to get right into it for those

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of you who have not heard or seen, and I will,

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of course let Miguel let you explain a bit more

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about it. Miguel, you wrote a short horror film called Litusa.

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Before we dive into that, can you tell us a

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little bit more about who you are and the work

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that you do.

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Sure. My name is Miguel Martinez. I'm a filmmaker who

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loves horror movies, and so that's kind of what I

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lean towards. I first was a screenwriter, and then I decided, hey,

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I want to get some of these things actually made,

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and right now, nobody's making anything really, so I want

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to be the one to do it. So I started

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leaning more into filmmaking, learning more about that. Most of

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the schooling I did and most of the things that

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I looked into was filming when it was screenwriting, and

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so I kind of had to start on the ground

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up a little bit with with filmmaking and stuff like that.

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When I was in college, I worked a bit on

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some of Robert Rodriguez's film company, like so that was

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really fun. I worked on the From So Down TV show,

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the industry a little bit. But yeah, like I'm I'm

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pretty easy to get along with, I think, and I

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have a lot of different avenues that I don't put

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all of my eggs in one basket. I write comics,

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I have some books that I self distributed, and I'm

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actually publishing a poetry book at the end of the year.

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So that's something I'll look forward to you stuff like that.

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That's so exciting. I love that you mentioned the idea

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of like you kind of weren't seeing enough of the

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work done or in a way that you would do it,

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and so you just kind of said I'll do it myself.

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In several interviews, I've had people ask me about my

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start with Susto and how that happened, and I had

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pretty much the same answer was I was looking for

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this kind of content and I had a clear vision

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of what I wanted it to be like, and I

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couldn't find it, so I said, I'll do it myself.

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So I very much understand that, and I love that

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kind of like drive and passion for something to kind

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of just build something from the ground up.

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Right, definite.

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What initially drew you to filmmaking or I guess, like

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you said, to screenwriting.

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Yeah, I've always been. I've always been into film, and

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but I think it was only specifically when I started

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getting in the horror that I was like, Oh, this

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is something that I want to do, and this is

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something I feel I can do, and and like when

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when I was younger, I obviously loved movies, and I

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loved animated movies, and I love The Lion King and

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all that stuff. But I saw this poster once when

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I was young, and it was a poster to the

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Nightmare on Elm Street, and it was the post you

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see everywhere where where it's like like Freddy at the

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painting of Freddy, like above the bed and yeah, like

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that that whole thing. And I was like what is this?

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my parents weren't always like this. But for some reason,

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my mom was like, no, you can't watch that movie.

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And I was like, I was like, what do you mean?

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Like I think she saw Freddy's like his face burned

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face somewhere and she's like no, and so she's like,

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you can't watch it, and I was I could watch.

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I've watched. I watched like a bunch of horror, I

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watched like the Thing. But for some reason, that was

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the one movie that my mom was like, you can't

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watch it. So I went. I was very I was

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like eight, I think I went to school and my

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friend was like, oh, I don't have the DVD, but

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I have this, and it was the soundtrack to the

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movie Oh wow. And he gave it to you, like

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lent it to me, and I like took it home

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and I put it in my little CD player and

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I like hid in the corner at like at night,

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like listening to the soundtrack to Nightmare on Elm Street,

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which like when you're in imagining what the movie would

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be like, which I think is infinitely worse than what

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the movie is actually like. But I was so like

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enamored with this this like other worldly thing, and I

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finally saw the movie and I loved it, and I

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think it's it's it's a perfect movie. The first time

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my own Stree movie is a perfect horror movie. And

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then after that I just sort of kept being enamored

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and amored. But it was always the sort of like

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thing in the distance. It was always this like thing

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to admire from a distance, and like like movies like

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Spielberg movies are like perfectly chiseled Greek statues, and like

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horror movies are like this really really other like spiritual

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thing that you experienced. For me, I think it was

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only when I went to go watch Pans Labyrinth with

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my dad after my grandmother had passed away, and it

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was like the first thing we did like the day after,

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and it was it was I watched it and when

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it ended, I for some reason, maybe it was just

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old enough to have this stop, but I had the

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thought of, oh, somebody made this movie and they had

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a great time doing it, and this is like somebody's job.

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Somebody made this And it was the first time that

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I registered that as like a like a child. Yeah,

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And so I think since that moment on I was like, Oh,

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I want to do that, whatever that is, I want

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to do it.

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Oh my god, that's so cool. I think that's such

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a really cool, I guess moment to have that realization

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like this is not only something that people do like

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obviously for the love of it, but it's a it's

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a career path for many people. Yeah, that's really cool.

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It pans Labyrinth is also. That's actually it's it's on

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my I just posted that today. It's on my thirty

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one Nights of Fright Susto movie guide for or the

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month of October, because that one. I mean, it's one

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of those where I could I can rewatch it like

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countless times, and it's just it's such a like, I mean,

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of course, like how could you not write that's a great,

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great film, great choice for inspiration for sure. So speaking

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of great films, can you tell us about your new

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horror short LOTUSA.

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Yeah, well, the Choosa is a proof of concept short,

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meaning I have the future film, and I wrote the

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future film, and then I had producers who were like, hey,

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maybe you should turn this into a short and you

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can kind of prove that you can make this and

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prove that you can make it for cheap and prove

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that you can like like have like the visual knowledge

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of the visual language to tell this story. And so

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it went through a lot of iterations. But first I'm

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just gonna say that, So Lituosa is a folk tale

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from Latin America. It takes on a whole lot of

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different forms about different things. But my story is about

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these this group of sisters on the night of their

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mother's funeral, so it's after their mother it passed away,

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and one of the sisters gathers the others to try

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to resurrect their matriarch, and the Lachisa punishes them for

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their abuse of magic essentially, and that that's sort of

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the context that I wanted to say to take this.

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In the latusa from Latin American folklore, she she does

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a lot of things, but her sort of origin is

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that she was unjustly punished for using for being a witch.

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And and then so as she was burning, essentially, she

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made a deal with the devil to come back for revenge,

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and the devil returned her as this owl creature, this

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like half a woman, half owl creature, and which is

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something that I never saw again. With that thing of

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like it's missing. And every time you talk about like

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like Latino folklore, everyone talks about Loonona and I love Laonona,

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but but this was always was always like a thing

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that I was like, yeah, but there's this and there's

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this thing that my my dad told me the story

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about he lives, he lived on a ranch and that

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they saw this thing, and nobody ever knew what I

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was talking about. So I wanted to sort of try

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to bring it into like the visual medium and specifically

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have it in English too, which would would be nice.

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But yeah, yeah, I mean I can see that too,

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how like in a moment like that and the sisters

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in Litusa after losing their mother, I can see how

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that would be a moment of desperation for someone and

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the idea of doing anything, you know, to to have

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her back, to have a lost love one return to you,

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and so and and again I've I've told the story

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of Litusas and they're like with so many of these stories, right,

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there are so many different versions of it, and so

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like the I guess quote accepted version is the story

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of a witch who was unjustly or or wrongly executed

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for practicing buhidiya, and then other people believe that any

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or not any. But there are multiple latusas out there.

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they are known they are latusa's. It's a type of witch, right,

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wanting to bring back a loved one and the use

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of magic and the abuse of magic, as you said,

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do you think that specifically drew you to use la

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latusa in in in in this movie compared to like

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you mentioned, or any other sort of like legendary spirit

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or cryptid that that we hear about.

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to the the the visceral image of and just the

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way that it is described in like accounts people have

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seen it or or people who've like heard it or

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since there's this very much like like a physical thing

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that that that I'm drawn to more than other, more

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than other folklore from Latin America, I think. But like

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this this story of like abuse abusing magic and the

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story of wanting to bring a loved one back, and

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it's something that I was. I was very much drawn

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to and like back in twenty thirteen, I lost my

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mother and I was very much drawn to that. That

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the idea of resurrection and people writing about it and

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what they actually what they're actually trying to say. What

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all these resurrection stories like like Frankenstein or stuff like that,

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what they're trying to say? And and I want I

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had something to say about a resurrection story and then

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about stuff something like that. And so that's what the

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feature that going back to, like writing, that's what the

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feature is about. And then when I started writing the short,

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it went through a bunch of a bunch of different

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stages because like before, right before shooting, I realized that

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the messages that didn't get through, what I had to

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say wasn't being said in the short. And what I

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always tell my collaborators is like, if if we don't

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make anything else, or if you don't make like let's

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say you make up the proof of concept. If you

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don't make the feature, this has to stand on it

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on the town because it's the only thing you ever made. Like,

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if you don't make anything else, are you saying all

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you need to say? And so for the short, like

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the basically, like the night before we started filming, I

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wrote the if you've seen the short, there's like a

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book ends of it. So what the short is? It's

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like this, it's you see the mother pass away. One

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of the daughters sees the mother pass away, and she

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starts to sort of cry, and she starts to short

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agree and then she swallowed it up and then she's like,

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I have an idea, and then you see her idea

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and the sister's trying to stop her. And then what

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happens when she tries to resurrect the matriarch and and

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she keeps sort of coming back to this room that

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her mother passed away in, and then at the end

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she comes back to it and she's faced with the

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realization of like, Okay, I need to I need to

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accept this. I need to I need to like cry

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or I need to grieve. I need to do this.

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I can't start taking these these these other pathways to

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make to do this, to make this happen. And that's

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that's sort of like what drew me into, like this

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idea of using the lachusa that way. Yeah, and it

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wasn't it wasn't even always called the Lachisa sometimes it's

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just about brupas. And then I realized that we needed

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like this anchor of a metaphor, and lichisaid turned into

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that anchor.

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Yeah, and you had mentioned also that it's like it's

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such a good, like a visceral kind of image, and uh,

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the the the image that you all have or like

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the the makeup that y'all had for the La Chusa.

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Shout out to your makeup and you're effects person, because

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it looks so cool and on the cover or the poster,

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I guess you could say four for the chusas well.

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It looks so cool. I'll probably post on social media

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for this episode and I'll throw that up here for

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Best School Friends on Patreon. But it is it looks

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so so good, so creepy.

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That have a crazy story about that. Do you want

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to hear it?

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Yes?

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Please, it's nuts. Yeah. So I knew what I wanted

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it to look like, and like it took me. It

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took me so long into the production of this to

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tell my dad I was doing it because I thought

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he was gonna say, don't do that. I thought he

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was going to be like, don't, don't, don't fuck around

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with like you know, I don't know if I can

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cuss it. Yeah, but okay, I don't know if he

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was gonna say, hey, you don't fuck around with this,

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because because he that's it's where I learned it from.

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He told me stories of like the Latusa visiting his

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home and trying to steal his baby brother. Oh my god,

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and the dad been to fight it off with like

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a shotgun, O my god, like and like his dad

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had a well, my grandfather has a cross with like

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a knife attached to it, and so like him like

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blessing the cross and like doing that, and like the

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Litusa like landing on his head and like being caught

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on the cross on the cross, like trying to pick

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him up, and then, oh my god.

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It essentially are they is your family Catholic? Yeah, that

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is some Catholic shit if I ever heard it, the

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knife on the crucifix. And it's also just something about

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the Catholic aesthetics. I just imagine it, and I know

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it looked cool as hell, So okay, go on.

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So it's crazy, and and I think they use it

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when when they I think I've seen it when they

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raised the baby Jesus, like in Christmas. They like used

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that for something, and I think I've seen what it

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looks like. Okay, but yeah, so I had their stories

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and I know I know it, but I've always known

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about the LOTUSA And I told my dad and he

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like went quiet for a little bit, and then he's like,

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what is it about? And I told him and he

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liked it, so he's like, okay, but what was I

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gonna say? Oh So I did a lot of research. Obviously,

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I talked to a lot of like vocal scholars. I

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really wanted to get like the look down and I

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knew what I wanted, and my dad explained it to

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me too a little bit more. And then but when

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you go out, if you starts it like on Google

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or YouTube or something, there's this image that keeps popping

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out on the YouTube thumbnails. It is the exact same photograph.

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It's the exact same image. It's just like the person

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who took took the image off of Google for our thumbnail,

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they made it black and white, or they put some

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kind of filter over it to use it as it

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as their thumbnail, or so some kind of effect over it.

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But it's the same image and you can tell. It's

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very easy to see and I was so after like

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the twentieth time searching up Latusa on YouTube, I was like,

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what's this image? And I went on Google and I

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used like the time machine thing, and I U like, well,

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you can like see where where people talk about what

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thing went on Google ivering up that's called And I

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was like, Okay, I know I think it's this image,

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but I'm not sure. And I tracked down the image

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to a deviant Art account of somebody who was in

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special effects school in like two thousand and eight, and

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they or they held the mask up and they said, hey,

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this is my senior project and it's that exact picture.

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Someone cropped it and then used it in like a

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YouTube thumbnail and now everyone uses it in their YouTube

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thumbnails when they talk about Latusa. And I was like,

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who is this person? And they're like, you know, it's

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a debian art account. It wasn't It hasn't been active

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for like twenty like ten years, yeah, or twenty years,

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like almost twenty years, like fifteen years or something. And

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I was like who is this And I couldn't find

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it and I couldn't find it, and I was searching

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like all their user names and I was searching everything

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and I was searching the graduating class. Oh, and then

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out of nowhere, I find this person who has like

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half of the usual name and I'm like, what who

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is this? And I looked them up. It's like an

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abandoned Twitter and I was like, what is this? I

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don't know what it is? And they started posting when

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the episodes of Fear the Walking Dead came out and

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I was like, okay, so I look up Fear the

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Walking down. I'm like, does this person work on for

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the Walking Dead?

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Yeah?

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And I found the person who posted on DVR in

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like two thousand and eight. I found them working on

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Fear of the Walking Dead, and then through the IMDb,

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I emailed him and I was like, hey, man, no,

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I found him on Instagram and I was like, hey,

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is this you? And I send him the image and

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he's like where did you get this? And I was like, so,

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I'm making a movie. Here's the script, here's like this. No,

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here's the pitch deck and here's the script or whatever.

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Do you still have this? And he said no, I

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don't have this. And I was like, can you make

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another one? And he's like he read the script and

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he's like I really like this. Yeah, I'll do it

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for you.

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Oh.

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He's like, he's like, how when are you going to film?

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And I think we were in a film, a little singer.

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But he's like, it's gonna take me like two three

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weeks because i'm you know, he's doing Fear of the

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Walking Dead. And I was like, i'll push it. I'll

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push the film date. I'll do it, and he's like yeah, okay,

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and so he he did it pretty quickly. He charged

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me the materials. Essentially, wow, he did. He almost did

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it for free, like I don't. I was like, hey,

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I can pay you more, and he's like, no, just

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just make it so I don't lose money on this,

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and I'll do it.

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Yeah. What's his name?

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Can give His name is Eric. He's he's amazing. He

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made us the mask and like the thing that she

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wears over over herself, and then he he shipped it

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to me and I have have video of like unwrapping

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it and everything. It looks so good. It's it's the

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It really elevated this entire thing. And then on like

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on the set, we were like, okay, she needs like

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a shawl. So we used to give her a shawl

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and uh, we shot this is this is crazy. We

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shot when Spirit Halloween was closing and I went and

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bought my costume for that next Halloween that day, the

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day right before we shot. It was a ghost face

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costume and I had it in the car. So when

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we were filming, we were like, we see the actor

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under the shaw what do we do? And and I

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think my wife was like, you have the ghost face costume.

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Put the ghost face costume under the latusa and then

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put everything on top of it. So underneath all the

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latusa is a black ghost face like like that goes

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all the way down and you could just see like

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the black would just so you don't see clothes. Yeah, yeah,

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but yeah.

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That's wow the magic of filmmaking. Honestly, Oh my god.

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That's that's how we put together the little cost.

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That is so cool. And again, yeah, the payoff is huge.

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It looks great, it looks amazing and so wow, I'm

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glad you were able to find Eric man. You really

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put in some a detective work and tracked him down.

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Oh my god, and thank goodness. Yeah, it was really cool. Okay,

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So you were talking earlier also about kind of like

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your thought process, like with your own experience and kind

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of putting it a little bit into the story of

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this movie. And so with not only the short but

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also the feature, you balance a lot of psychological horror

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with like the physical threat of this now like fully

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manifested LITUSA. How do you approach building tension and fear

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through both your script and then also translating that to

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visual to on screen.

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I think to answer that question, it's really important for

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you to understand that the first time I saw it

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cut together, I was like, Oh my god, I made

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a terrible mistake. This is this is horrible. And the

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second time I saw I cut together, I was like, yeah,

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this is horrible. Maybe I should just stop. And because

472
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.640
it just it wasn't there, The tension wasn't there. If

473
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.759
you've seen it, you understand that it's less of like

474
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.039
it's less of like a mood and it's more of

475
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.839
like a ride. It's more of like this leads to this,

476
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.440
leads to this, and we just don't stop the maybe

477
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:25.319
he just keeps going, especially after the mother dies, which

478
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.000
is like the first scene, and that was on purpose

479
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.720
that that was like from the beginning, I was like, oh,

480
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.400
I want this to be a little riote. I pictured

481
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:34.799
what it would be like to see this with people,

482
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.119
and I was like, in like a theater, and I

483
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.079
was like, Okay, people don't want to see this. People

484
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:41.000
don't want to see this. I trim the fat out

485
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.319
of the script a lot, but it still wasn't working,

486
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.000
and I was like, I don't know what's wrong with it.

487
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:48.400
And then I talked to some filmmaker friends that I

488
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.200
know that I have put more things together, specifically have

489
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.359
adapted my stuff, and they were like, just wait. There

490
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.759
was like just keep going, just keep keep whittling it

491
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.599
down and keep adding elements. It'll click. And I was like,

492
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.359
it's not clicking, and they're like, just keep going. And

493
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.000
I realize And I only realized that after the fact

494
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.480
that it was sound editing sound adding what was missing

495
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.400
because we have a sound designer and she designed all

496
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.799
the sound for the house. Almost everything that you hear

497
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:23.480
in litisa what is foley or music or sound of

498
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.720
some other kind and and I dropped it in and

499
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.680
I hit play and I was like, oh, this is great,

500
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.799
Like oh now now that makes sense because before that

501
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:37.920
it wasn't raining. I don't know if you can tell

502
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.599
it's raining in the house. I think you almost know

503
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.480
it subconsciously because of the sound design. It's raining the

504
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.559
entire time. There's thunder and there's there's it's hitting the

505
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.880
wood and like when they step it creaks. It didn't

506
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.559
creak in the first few drafts because the audio didn't

507
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.079
pick that up. Or I guess that wasn't really creaks

508
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.160
in the house. But she added the creeks, She added breathing.

509
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.559
She added music, Well, the music I had I got separately.

510
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.319
But yeah, like, and her name is a Camille Craig.

511
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.880
She's a great sound designer. I'm using her for other

512
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.799
stuff because I was like, oh, this is fantastic. So

513
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:20.079
as much as I can write in oh this happens

514
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.799
like oh, like this is scary, or like this scary

515
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.279
thing happened, Oh she walks down the hall in fear,

516
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.279
I can write that down on a page and I

517
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.559
can try to make you feel it in a screenplay.

518
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:37.400
But execution is everything. Yeah, and even if you even

519
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.440
like visually, if I can execute that right, it's not

520
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:43.000
gonna it doesn't feel. You don't feel it. It's a sound,

521
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.640
especially in horror. It's a sound.

522
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.200
Yeah wow, But I mean but also how important to

523
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.400
like and good on you also as like kind of

524
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:55.880
I guess you could say like the person in charge,

525
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.319
like this is your project right to know like Okay,

526
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.240
something is missed, something is missing, what is it? What

527
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.720
is it? And then not only that, but to feel

528
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.599
this sense of almost dread and like okay, I just

529
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.079
need to like wash my hands of this because it's

530
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:13.559
not working, but then going back to it and continue

531
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.799
to work on it until you do find that piece.

532
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.400
And I will say yes, watching the movie the sound

533
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.680
is it is really good. And like you said, it's

534
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.079
some of it is almost subconscious, like when it's there,

535
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.599
you're kind of not really when it's done, well, you're

536
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.839
not really thinking of it. Like for example, the raining,

537
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.880
it's like you know that it's raining, but if it

538
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.519
wasn't there, if certain sounds weren't there, certain design wasn't done,

539
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.119
then it feels like it's like, well, what's off. But

540
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.279
then again when it's there, you're just like your brain

541
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.920
just kind of like subconsciously processes that. So yeah, no,

542
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.960
that's oh my god. Yeah. The I always try to

543
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:54.279
get across to people how much work it is to

544
00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:01.440
do something creative, to do storytelling creatively with like with SUSO,

545
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:05.400
it's a podcast, you know, so I'm audio only but

546
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.960
and so like I it's cool that you bring it

547
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.599
up because with without my sound if I don't have music,

548
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.640
if I don't have certain sound effects, it doesn't really

549
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.160
play off. And so editing my episodes, I'll hear my story,

550
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.920
I'm telling it, I'm editing it and everything. I'm like, god,

551
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.960
it sounds so weird. I'm like, but I know it's

552
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.119
going to come together in a second. And when I

553
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.960
throw in little things it may even just music. The

554
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.359
music like kind of guides you, it pushes you through

555
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.680
it through a story. Yeah, it totally makes sense. It

556
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:39.799
wraps it up in a nice bow. I'll say.

557
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.279
Yeah. With this new project that I'm filming this weekend,

558
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.440
I've been really a huge proponent on something that is

559
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.720
going to make a lot of Like all tours, I

560
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:55.000
guess upset or like filmmakers really upset, but I've been

561
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.039
I've always been a proponent of your job as a

562
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.440
director or as a filmmaker. I guess to be dumbest

563
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.960
person in the room, which sounds weird, but it is

564
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.880
like you need to surround yourself with people who were

565
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.119
really good at their job, like so good at their

566
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.880
job that you don't need to do it, because if

567
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.640
you do it, you didn't study this, You're going it's

568
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.759
going to be bad. Like you don't know how to

569
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.119
sound is done. You don't know. I don't know some

570
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:21.880
of it. I don't know lenses, Like I know my

571
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.000
lenses is like a director knows lenses, but I don't

572
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.279
know cameras. So you need to find the best people

573
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.839
for the job, surround yourself with them, and you're the

574
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.920
dumbest person in the room. Yeah, you're just like, oh,

575
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.680
I want it to look scary. Can you make it

576
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.519
look scary? And they're like, yeah, okay, I'll make it

577
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:39.200
looks scary. Yeah, stuff like that. And like I wrote

578
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.200
this so like I know what I want, but I

579
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:43.880
don't know. I don't really know how to get there.

580
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.359
So you know better than me how to get there,

581
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:48.920
so we need to figure it out. I was like

582
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.039
a group a little bit. Yeah, and so this has

583
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.960
been a lot better to like to try that that

584
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.559
sort of style of making movies.

585
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.720
Yeah, it's like the ultimate group project and just kind

586
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.359
of putting that trust in other people. And then again

587
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.200
and a vice versa having them put their trust in

588
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.119
you right that you're steering this thing that they're working on,

589
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.799
that they're putting time into in the right direction. And

590
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.000
so like speaking of the genre and like this kind

591
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.319
of work and all the things that go in together,

592
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.519
are all the things that go into making a horror

593
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.119
movie happen. What do you think makes the genre such

594
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:27.200
a powerful vehicle for exploring emotional and societal issues. I

595
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:31.480
think many people might take horror at face value and say, oh,

596
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.680
it's just a scary movie. But I think more now,

597
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.079
more than ever, people are discovering that horror is so

598
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.440
much more than just scary movies. There are stories about

599
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.920
so many different topics. Yeah, how would you kind of

600
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.720
or like you, what are your thoughts on that?

601
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:54.759
I think horror is a very easy element to attach

602
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.640
metaphor it too. Monsters are really easy to attend to

603
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.000
attach metaphor too. People always speak about this sort of

604
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.119
like elevated horror, which horror has always been elevated. There's

605
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.519
always been the thing, There's always been suspiria, there's always that,

606
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:14.039
there's always been uh more to these to horror. Just

607
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.039
if you want, if you were willing to look and

608
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.359
so like the there's I think it's it's I think

609
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:27.200
it's the best genre to explore the imperfections of people

610
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:35.319
and the emotions of people through through like a safe lens.

611
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.720
So I I I really like the idea of like

612
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:46.880
figuring out what you're actually afraid of and grafting that

613
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.559
onto onto a monster. And maybe someone's already done it,

614
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.160
and watch it and see what you like about it,

615
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.759
what works about it, what you would do better about it,

616
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.240
like from it, and then and then try to work

617
00:32:59.279 --> 00:32:59.599
with that.

618
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely helps. Like you said,

619
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:09.480
it's great to attach metaphor to and then when you

620
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.720
toss in like something that already has kind of a

621
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.559
history of like Altusa for example, I can imagine it's

622
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.119
fun to kind of play around with what the meaning

623
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.680
is or how can you use that monster, so to speak,

624
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:39.160
as a vehicle to kind of deliver that message. What

625
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.599
do you hope that audiences take away from watching Litusa,

626
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.079
especially people that are going through something similar with their families,

627
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.880
like this idea of loss.

628
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.519
Yeah, I hope audiences take away the importance of family

629
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.000
and not just the family that you are assigned and

630
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.359
the importance of getting through your grief and actually processing

631
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:03.440
your grief. But other than that, I want them to

632
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.599
go searching for more Latino folklore. I want them to

633
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.960
understand that there's more landin folklore out there. It's weird,

634
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:18.199
it's fun, it's sad, and it's interesting, and I want

635
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.639
them to at least like have that understanding that, oh,

636
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.559
maybe there's more stuff that I haven't heard of from

637
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.599
Latino countries and then go looking for it.

638
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:27.880
Yeah.

639
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.639
Yeah, So like speaking about that, how do you see

640
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:37.239
the role of cultural identity shaping modern horror. I think

641
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:41.360
it's definitely. It is already happening, So yeah, how do

642
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.639
you kind of see that role playing out not only

643
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.159
currently but maybe for the future.

644
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.480
I think there's something interesting about people taking.

645
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:52.800
This.

646
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.639
I've always loved folklore. The folklore has always been almost

647
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:04.239
like pigeonholed by this sort of like weird Anglos stories.

648
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:10.280
It's always been it's always been like Midsummer or that

649
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.920
other thing that people associated Midsummer with. I forgot what

650
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.800
it was, and it's always been sort of that or

651
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.119
like Lamb or or even like older than that that

652
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.320
I can't remember. But like, I think we should end

653
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.840
up taking more like from your actual from your hometown

654
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.000
or from your city, or from your country, or from

655
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.599
your people. And the idea of doing that and like

656
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.920
almost taking back the fear that you felt and that

657
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:45.840
your family felt and turning it into into something that

658
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.280
you can use as something you can expel your demons with.

659
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.840
I think is really powerful and I think people are

660
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.320
understanding the power of that now.

661
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.199
Yeah, absolutely, I think, and like you said, taking it

662
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.840
down to like the community level. Many of these stories

663
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.360
are told across different cultures, and they vary from culture

664
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.079
to culture, from continent to continent, from state to state,

665
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.280
to city to city, to neighborhood to neighborhood. These stories

666
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.519
can get really specific depending on who is telling them,

667
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.280
and so I think, like, yeah, it's important to recognize

668
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.679
the cultural identities in some of these stories because they

669
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.079
bring extremely unique perspectives to the storytelling that ends up happening.

670
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.360
So yeah, yeah, I like that idea. What stories do

671
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.039
you hope to tell in the future. I know that

672
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.440
you said you have projects coming up, but what kinds

673
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.039
of stories are are you hoping to tell?

674
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:46.039
Well? I really want to keep delving into folklore, and

675
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.719
I really want to keep delving into I guess the

676
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.400
like my history and my country and my people, and

677
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.400
and I think that's that's where I needed anyway. I

678
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.519
think that's why I can get the most most of

679
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.800
most of my ideas out. So the thing, the thing

680
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.840
that I'm gonna shoot this weekend, it's called with Your Life.

681
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.079
It's another proof of content short where I have the

682
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:18.800
feature it is. It's a generational slasher that's a metaphor

683
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:25.280
for the generational trauma that comes from having a being

684
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.639
in an abusive marriage. And I took the first scene

685
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:34.679
of that, which is essentially this woman escaping U ranch

686
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.800
in Mexico, a family ranch in Mexico where she's trying

687
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.719
to escape her her abusive husband and her peaceive husband's

688
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.960
family who lives on the ranch. And she's sneaking out

689
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.159
in the middle of the night and she has to

690
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.239
take a child with her, and it's it's like it's

691
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.480
like the first scene of like the Visible Man remake,

692
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.400
but with a baby, and it's a slasher movie. And

693
00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.800
and so we're doing that, and I want to at

694
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.639
some thing that as we're doing it, I was like,

695
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.920
I want to get this under five minutes. I want

696
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.760
to get this I want to get in and get out,

697
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.039
and I had to send it in my head for

698
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.679
a while. And one of the actresses from La Chusa,

699
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.719
Jude Salazar, she messes me earlier this year and was like, Hey,

700
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.519
I want to make something. I want to be the

701
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.960
star of something like a short. Can you pitch me ideas?

702
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.320
And this is the idea that she gravitated towards the most,

703
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.280
and so she's like, I can fund this, let's go,

704
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.800
and so we just started working on it. So yeah,

705
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.440
we so hopefully, hopefully it's gonna turn out really good.

706
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.880
I think it's gonna be great. And like, as for

707
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.639
like folklore, I I'm doing like poems my the poem

708
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:44.719
the book poem book that I have. I haven't announced

709
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:48.039
anything yet, but it's it's called Mad Monsters and it's uh,

710
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.719
it's poems from the perspective with monsters and drawing metaphors

711
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.639
from that and everything. So I think it's gonna be fun.

712
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.159
But as far as folklore, I I really wanted for

713
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.760
a while to do like a Goosebump series and I

714
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.360
have the first book written, but it's not very good

715
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.880
because I'm not really a prose writer, so I need

716
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.079
to keep rewriting, you to keep getting notes on it

717
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:18.159
and stuff. But it's a it's I uh. For like

718
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.800
years and years and years, I was trying to crack

719
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.800
what the Trooper Coppa is about and why it's scary

720
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.599
and why it's endured as a folk tale for so long.

721
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.039
And I think I figured out that it's because it's Okay,

722
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.960
I'm gonna pitch you a chup of cover story real quick.

723
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:37.440
Okay.

724
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:43.280
So, so back in the day and even now, a

725
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.679
lot of pueblos exists on their own. They they they

726
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.679
are fully functioning societies in the in and of themselves,

727
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.480
which is hard for us as Americans to imagine, right,

728
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.159
It's hard for us to imagine not getting shipments over

729
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.239
about the places, or like eating an avocado that was

730
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.639
made in a country entire. But there's whole little pueblo's

731
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.880
little cities that exists in themselves. They have a farm,

732
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.280
they have a hospital, they have a school, and then

733
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.719
that's all they need mm hmm to to continue living.

734
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.559
And that that that even to this day they still

735
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.320
do that. But back in the day it was way

736
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.280
more and it was way more widespread. So you if

737
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.719
if if for some reason you had a bad crop day.

738
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.880
Your people in your city, in your in your bueblo,

739
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.559
in your city, they ate least that year, or a

740
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.679
bad crop year, they ate least that year. You couldn't

741
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.559
import food from another city they needed.

742
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:30.639
Mm hmm.

743
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.039
So the tup of coppera goes around and attacks your

744
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.639
livestock as in, it attacks your food source. It attacks

745
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:44.400
the lifeblood of a city. And that's the fear. It's

746
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.039
a it's it's a it's an it's a it's a

747
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.360
story about isolation. You were isolated for everyone else, and

748
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.480
then there's a thing that's attacking your like your your heart,

749
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.960
and you either need to kill it or leave. Yeah,

750
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.599
that those are your options. And so the the the

751
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.719
Goosebumps book that I have, it's about this kid whose

752
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.199
parents passed away in a car accident and he has

753
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.360
to go live with his grandma and grandpa in Mexico.

754
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.960
And he's he's American, he's mexic An American. He doesn't

755
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.159
know Spanish. So he goes, he goes, and he has

756
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.360
to like sort of assimilate into this culture that he

757
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.199
doesn't understand. And he makes a friend and everything, and

758
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.800
together they realize that there's this mystery happening in the city,

759
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.039
in the pueblo, and it's that the chibokapas such, is

760
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.519
starting to eat the livestock and they have to figure

761
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:35.800
out what it is and how to get rid of

762
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.519
it before the whole the whole city starts collapsing. Yeah,

763
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.360
and it already kind of started, so like he's heard

764
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.400
tales of like oh, like like his mother comes from

765
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.679
this really great place and there's like music and there's

766
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:50.880
food and there's a festival. But when he gets there,

767
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.760
it's a dying town. It's it's it's rotty, and he

768
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.320
doesn't know why and he does don't understand, and it's

769
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.599
because they're losing their food.

770
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.159
Wow, that's that's such a good idea. I like that.

771
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.960
I like that a lot. This kind of like it.

772
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.559
It's giving me like agricultural thriller, which I'm not sure

773
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.679
is something I've really seen before. Right, Like that's and

774
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.559
and yeah, that's truly terrifying. Is a community being cut

775
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:24.039
off from their resources that they need to literally live. Yeah,

776
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.880
that I think that is such a you don't need it,

777
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.480
but susto stap of approval. I think that is such

778
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.519
a cool idea.

779
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.880
It's good, but if you read the book, it's not

780
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:35.920
that good. It doesn't come off as good as my pitch.

781
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.039
So I'm just I just need to keep going. Maybe

782
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.079
I should just write a movie.

783
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.559
I don't honestly, yeah I would. It would be the

784
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.760
reverse of like the the book to movie kind of pipeline.

785
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:53.599
You can do movie to book really. Yeah. So have

786
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.400
you had any of your own personal encounters with the paranormal.

787
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:04.800
Yeah, I have. When I was, uh, when I was younger,

788
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.639
I went to I grew up in Texas. Well, I

789
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.239
grew I grew up in like going beating Texas in

790
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.119
like New York, but I went to a camp once

791
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.800
called Camp Blaming Era. This is like the only paranormal

792
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.960
experience I think I have that I can remember very

793
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.960
clearly when I was younger. But when I was like

794
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.800
a baby, my mom was like said that my room

795
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.599
was haunted when I was when I was when I

796
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.079
was like just getting back from the hospital and everything,

797
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.880
because I was a premie. And uh my grandma said

798
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:36.639
that like a lot of things were going after me

799
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.239
when when I was a PREMI because I was like

800
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:44.559
very very like susceptible the things. So like, yeah, like

801
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.039
the I don't remember all that stuff, but I do

802
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.480
remember when I wasn't going to kind filming Aero and

803
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.119
there was the which is like just a regular camp

804
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.840
that you go to withold do like canoe and archery

805
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.840
and you spend the night. It's like all that stuff.

806
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.920
My dad was one of the camp counselors a little bit,

807
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.440
and he not counsel there's that's that's the wrong one

808
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:14.719
for it. I guess chaperons chon. Yeah, yeah, here's a chaperone.

809
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.400
And when that one of the knights that we were

810
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.679
there was raining a lot. And so if you go

811
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:23.960
to if you go to if you ever go to

812
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.840
Camp Flaming Eero, there's like a there's like a main

813
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.159
camp and like a girl's dormity dormitory sort of. Then

814
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.000
there's like a river that doesn't have any water. It's

815
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.199
like an empty basin mhm. And then there's like the

816
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.360
boys camp, and I don't know why we're so separated.

817
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:46.239
There's like the boy's dormitory, but the boys dormitory has

818
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:50.519
like like a like a right like a toilet and

819
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.280
a sink, but it doesn't have like a kitchen or

820
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:56.000
like running water to drink and so nobody wanted to

821
00:44:56.039 --> 00:45:00.119
drink from the toilet, so everyone was getting thirsty. And

822
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.519
there was that night and it was raining, and so

823
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.320
my dad had to like go and get water. And

824
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.079
he couldn't send one of us because we would have

825
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:09.960
to like go down the river bracing. It's a little

826
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.000
like dangerous. So he's like okay, and like the lights

827
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.840
went out or something and no one had any backup

828
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:20.519
flashlights or anything. So he had to go and get

829
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.320
water for us and like flashlights and stuff, and he's like,

830
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.440
don't open the door for anybody, and he left. And

831
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:33.400
then he left to go get water, flashlights and like

832
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.760
someone to like like, uh uh, work on the generator

833
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.880
because I think the generator was going out. And there

834
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:43.400
was a knock on the door and there was somebody

835
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.039
that that was going to work on the generator and

836
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:48.239
they said that they were going to work on the

837
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.480
generator and they kept knocking and knocking and we were

838
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.360
like yeah, but my dad is I was like, my

839
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.119
dad is in black. We shouldn't opened the door. And

840
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:55.760
they were like yeah, but it's a generator guy. He's

841
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.599
sitting in the in the in the storm. We should

842
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.000
open the door. And so the kids opened the door,

843
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:01.960
like I told him not to, but they opened the

844
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.400
door and then this guy just walked in and went

845
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.000
to the basement and then he was just like like

846
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.960
knocking on things. He it was it sounded like a hammer,

847
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.920
just knocking on like the walls. And we were like,

848
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:14.960
this is like, what the fuck, what the fuck's wrong

849
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.360
with this guy? And it was just he was therefore

850
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.679
like and maybe not even like ten minutes. And then

851
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.440
and then my dad came back with the guy to

852
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:29.119
fix the the generator hu and then he was like

853
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.880
and then we were like, oh, there's already someone down there.

854
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.039
My dad was like, you guys opened the door and

855
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:35.519
we were like, yeah, it's the He said that he

856
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:36.639
was going to fix the general. We were in the

857
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.239
middle of nowhere. Can fling. It was in the middle

858
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:38.599
of nowhere.

859
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:39.280
God.

860
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:41.719
And then he was like what the fuck And they

861
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.320
went down there and there was no one down there.

862
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.719
Stop oh my god.

863
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.719
And then uh and then but there's no way out.

864
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.800
There's just one way in. There's no other way to

865
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.639
get out of the basement. It's just four walls.

866
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.280
And you all, all of you saw him. The group

867
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.880
of yeah, oh my god, Okay, so Okay, So then

868
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.199
that's it. That's it, just like no trace of him.

869
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.679
Like later, like I still tell my dad, I'm like, no,

870
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.440
there was a dude, Like we didn't we didn't make

871
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.159
it up to you, Like somebody came in and they

872
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.719
were they were like they were wet from the outside,

873
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.719
and then they just went downstairs and started banging on

874
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.840
the walls and they never left.

875
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.000
My god, and you all stayed there that night, you

876
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:25.800
slept there.

877
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.239
Like my dad thought we made it up. I don't

878
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.079
think I went to see.

879
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.159
But oh my god, it's not the nastiest like chill

880
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.920
run up my spine. That is horrifying. I think it's

881
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.719
worse when other people see what you saw. So the

882
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.679
fact that a group of you saw this man, this

883
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.280
stranger walk in go down there, you all heard him

884
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.199
making noise, and then the adults were like, no, you're

885
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:56.760
making it up and go to bed. Oh my god,

886
00:47:58.519 --> 00:47:59.639
that's that's. That's it.

887
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.920
I never saw his face, Oh my god. So I

888
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.880
don't know like he would like turn he like turned away,

889
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:08.880
you know some people like turn away from the light

890
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:09.400
a little bit.

891
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.039
Yeah, it was like that.

892
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.280
Yeah, my dad, My dad has a lot of a

893
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.079
lot of story. My dad has so many stories.

894
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:22.480
Oh my god, that is that is thoroughly unsettling. Oh

895
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.239
my god, thank you for sharing that with us. Okay,

896
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.119
so we've reached the end of our time with the

897
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.639
public episode, but if you are a Best Girl friend,

898
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Amazing. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you

910
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.639
so much for being here and for scaring the shit

911
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.719
out of me. I really appreciate that. Again, if you're

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Bye.

915
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.199
Welcome back, Gulfriends. Thank you so much for being here

916
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.159
with us today. Mayell and myself. We had such a

917
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.719
fun conversation. Again, follow him on social media. Check out

918
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.159
his short film that Yousa. I'm so excited to see

919
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.679
where the future takes him, where he goes, what he produces.

920
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.039
He has so many cool ideas. That agricultural thriller. It

921
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.119
just makes sense. Right when he said it, I thought, yeah, yes,

922
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.920
how was like, yeah, especially with the agricultural industry. I'm

923
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.280
not going to get into it. That's a whole other episode.

924
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You already know that, But again, thank you so much

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soul are supposed to be but aren't. It really means

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so much to me. I will talk to you in

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the next episode, and until then not sustas. Bye.