La Santa de Cábora, Teresa Urrea

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for being here. Today, we
will be continuing the Grandismos series and we

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will be talking about Las Santa de
Gabora Teresa Urrea, home to some remarkable

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people. El Segundo Barrio is one
of El Paso's oldest communities. In eighteen

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ninety six, it was home to
Teresa Urrea, one of the most important

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and influential women to walk the southwestern
United States and northern Mexico. Aside from

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her healing knowledge as a curandera,
she is known for her political role in

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the years leading up to the Mexican
Revolution. David di Romo, author of

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Ringside Seat to a Revolution, writes
that in many ways, the Mexican Revolution

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on the border began with her.
Through physical and psychological healing and political encouragement,

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Teresa Uria became an inspiration to indigenous
groups of Northern Mexico as well as

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to people in the United States during
the reign of Mexico's dictator Porfirio Diaz and

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the years prior to the Mexican Revolution. On October fifteenth, eighteen seventy three,

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Nina Garcia Nona Maria Rebecca Chavez,
later known as Deesa Uria, was

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born in Ocoroni, Sinaloa, Mexico, on a ranch owned by her father,

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a wealthy liberal rancher named Tomas Urrea. Her mother, a servant on

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Urria's Rancho de Santana Waskayetana Chavez.
A fourteen year old de WECo Indian,

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Teresa spent her first fifteen years with
her mother and aunt, living in a

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servant's hut and working on the ranch. In eighteen eighty eight, Essa's father

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recognized her as his daughter and sent
for her to live in the main house

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of the ranch. Edessa did not
go to school or learned to read until

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she was nine years old. About
this time, it appears that she began

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to call herself Teressa. Others called
her by the diminutive Thatsita. She became

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an apprentice to a folk kaler or
gurandeta named Weela at this time, overseeing

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the household At Rancho de Santana.
Wila not only used herbs to heal the

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sick and injured, but was also
a midwife. Edesa learned about the medicinal

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uses of some two hundred herbs and
folk remedies, assisting Weela on her visits

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to expected mothers. It appears that
Essa could put women in labor into a

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type of trance or hypnosis, making
the birth less painful, an ability she

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would later use with many who came
to be cured. Luis urea novelist and

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grand nephew of Teresa, described one
of her early cures on his website.

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A the young Yaki ranch hand had
been kicked in the head by a mule.

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Edessa picked up a handful of dirt
and spat into it, rubbing the

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mixture on the man's injury, resulting
in instant healing. Word of Edessa's miraculous

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healing spread among the people in the
region very quickly, and they soon began

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calling her a saint. William Holden, author of a book length biography of

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Uriya, says that as a gurandera
Teresa, Uriya unselfishly provided aid to many

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people and took nothing in return.
The art of Guranderizmo gave Thedessa influence something

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a half Indian, half Mexican servant
girl could not even hope for in those

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days. Edesa lived during the dictatorship
of Porfirio Diaz, who ruled Mexico for

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thirty five years quote modernizing the country
at a great cost to the poor and

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to indigenous tribes. Many natives were
enslaved and sent south, notably the Yaquis.

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Her father was a political moderate who
die tested much of what Thedlla's administration

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did to the native people when he
backed the wrong political candidate. Domas Urrea

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left Sinaloa and moved his family to
Gabora, Sonora in eighteen eighty to escape

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reprisal from Thea's. Shortly after moving
to Gabora, Teresa slipped into a coma.

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Theories suggested for the cause of this
cataleptic state ranged from assault and attempted

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or completed rape by a miner who
lived in the area, to a form

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of epilepsy. This coma or trance
lasted almost four months. That Essa had

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already been put in a coffin and
was being prepared for burial when she rose

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up suddenly upon awakening. That Essa
gave off an odor of roses. Orea

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believed she had been visited by the
Virgin Mary during her deep sleep, being

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left with an even more powerful gift
of healing. The ranch that Essa called

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home in Gabora became known as the
Lord Dees de Mexico. According to Diane

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Telgan and Jim Camp in their reference
book Notable Hispanic American Women, Edessa cured

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people suffering from everyday illnesses and injuries, as well as from cancer, blindness,

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stroke, and paralysis. Soon the
news of her extraordinary healing powers spread

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among Mexico's northern Indian tribes and the
government her father was trying to stay away

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from. Not only was Teresa Aurea
healing the poor and sick, but she

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became an inspiration to these people to
rebel against the perpetrators of the injustices theas

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brought upon them. While the native
tribes she helped and those who knew her

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looked up to Teresa, her fast
rise to popularity and fame did not sit

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well with the Mexican government or the
Catholic Church. From early on, Edessa

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received many nicknames, such as the
Mexican Joan of arc La Nina de Gabora

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and queen of the Yaquis. However, when natives began calling her La Santa

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de Gabura and began treating her like
a folk saint, the church became incensed

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in the power of God against the
guns of government. Paul Vanderwood wrote that

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in October eighteen ninety, when the
lithographs of Teresa Urrea were presented by parishioners

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in Guayama's to Sonora's bishop at Kulano
to be blessed, the bishop was disgusted

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and shocked, throwing the lithographs to
the floor. Ouria was threatened with excommunication,

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as were those who believed in her. Historian Maxtachue said that from the

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onset Uriea was denounced by the priesthood
as a heretic. It did not help

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that Uria felt true believers needed no
intermediary to converse with God. For years,

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the Mexican government had subjected the Indians
of northern Mexico to genocidal wars and

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land seizures. With no one to
turn to, the Yaqui, Mayo,

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taro Umara and Tomochiteko Indians let their
fury and frustration build the corrupt government of

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Porfirio Dias did not care if they
lived or died. Dessa believed that the

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land belonged to the native Indians and
should not be stolen. Telgan and Camp

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stated that desa Urea told the Indian
villagers God intended for you to have the

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land, or he would not have
given them to you. In Latin legacies

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by Vicki Ruis and Virhemia Sanchez,
gool Mari and Perales wrote that Porfidio Villas

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claimed that his governmental policies were in
the name of order and progress, never

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mind that they displaced indigenous peoples,
pushed small farmers out of business, and

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created a disaffected, politically minded middle
class. Besides stripping these tribes of their

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land, Dia sent many Indians throughout
Mexico to work as slaves in mines and

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remote plantations, and controlled national,
state and local elections. Slowly, the

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Indian villagers patients began to wane,
and they became more and more motivated by

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Thedessa's words. Throughout her life,
However, Dedessa denied active participation in politics.

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During the years that Esa spent in
Gabora, the number of people wanting

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to share an experience with her increased. Alex Nava stated in the Journal of

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the American Academy of Religion that more
and more Indian villagers would flock to Terasa's

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home, hoping that she would bring
God's presence to the troubled and chaotic circumstances

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in their lives. In one of
the best known rebellions attributed to Urrea,

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a group of armed Yaqui, Domochitako, Darawumara, and Mayo Indians defeated the

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es As Federales at the village of
Tomochik, whose residents adored Urreya and had

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a hand carved icon of her in
their church. The Indian villagers were able

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to hold the Feeddales off for a
few weeks before the soldiers burned the village

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to the ground. Scores of women
and children were burned to death while hiding

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in the town's church. After the
Battle of Tomochic, the Indian villagers started

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calling themselves ded Isitas, and their
battle cry became Viva la Santa de Gabora.

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After another small revolt against the Mexican
government, Diaz ordered Dessa and her

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family to be deported and had five
hundred of his soldiers enforced the exile once

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he realized she was the Santa de
Gabora, Diaz called Teresa the most dangerous

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girl in Mexico. Teresa and the
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Nogales, Arizona in eighteen ninety two. The family arrived by train only to

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find local journalists among her followers,
seeking a few words with La Santa de

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Gabora. Fearing pressure from the Mexican
government, the Orea family moved to Elbosce,

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a small farming community outside of Nogales, and later to Solomonville, Arizona,

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in November eighteen ninety five. By
eighteen ninety six, political trouble found

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Teresa once more. Solomonville briefly became
the site of El Independiente, an anti

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Diaz newspaper published by Laudo Aguire and
Floris Chappa, two Mexican liberals and associates

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of Teresa's father, moving their paper
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arrested, charged with committing subversive acts, including the intention to engage in revolution,

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as Mario ti Garcia wrote in Desert
Immigrants. They were tried in an

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El Paso court. W. H. Burges, a well known Elpaso lawyer

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defended the men. The court didn't
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I am publishing a paper against Mexico, Agueda told the court because I hope

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to remedy the evils by pointing out
what they will lead to. The court

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found Aguida and Chapa were just exercising
their freedom of speech. During the trial,

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attention began to focus on Teresa's involvement
in the alleged conspiracy in Las Derganas.

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Three hundred Years of History Teresa p
Acosta and Ruth Weingarten wrote that Teresa

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Urrea did in fact help the revolutionist
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Aguida had often visited the area ranch
and had helped educate Dedesita. Some

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historians believe that Aguis used her to
help support his own political activities. Professor

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Elizabeth Guerrero said that Teresa became more
politically active once in the United States,

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allowing her picture to be taken and
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and even signing an anti Borfdian constitution
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an editorial signed by Ureau titled Misidea
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twenty first, eighteen ninety six.
She maintained her innocence and insisted she never

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had anything to do with the rebellions. However, Dasher wrote that Esa went

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on with her political organizing of a
Bland de Tomochic, which denounced the genocide

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of the Yaqui nation, urged restoration
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and called for abolition of all laws
and social practices that maintained inequality based

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on gender, race, nationality,
or class. Her support for such activities

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suggests that a Shae was more than
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poor. Once again, Teresa Urrea
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them move to Elbaso, Texas in
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a Revolution, Romo wrote, when
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ninety six, about three thousand pilgrims
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Overland and Campbell Streets. They had
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all over the US Mexican border.
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to five hundred South Oregon Street,
in a building which now has a historical

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plaque describing her and the miraculous cures
she affected. Many immigrants crossing into the

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United States made their home in Sewundo
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she treated up to two hundred fifty
people a day in Elbaso. The people

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who waited in lines to see that
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as Elbaso's mayor, Robert Campbell and
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Da Tsaoureya never turned anyone away,
although she knew some people really didn't

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have any faith in her healings and
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commotion was. Bedles wrote that the
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an apolitical spiritual healer, allowing her
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an outbreak of border rebellions in August
eighteen ninety six. Francis Holden stated in

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an article for the Handbook of Texas
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eighteen ninety six, at least seventy
armed medisitas attacked the Mexican custom House

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in Nogales. Be Alys says that
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Yaqui, Bima, and Tomochi Indians, many of whom were laborers for the

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Southern Pacific Railroad. The assault on
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against anti agrarian and anti indigenous Mexican
land policies. Similar attacks occurred at several

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border towns along the Texas border.
Once again, the rebels cried Viva la

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Santa de Gaba, associating Teresa Urrea
with the rebellion. These confrontations gave Porfirio

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Dillas an insight to what the indigenous
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for Mexico. According to Berrales,
Holden wrote that Theas believed Teresa Uria was

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directly involved and demanded her extradition back
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ignored. Dashu wrote that Teresa was
said to exclaim, my poor Indians,

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they are the bravest and most persecuted
people on earth. They will fight for

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their rights until they win or are
wiped out. God help them. There

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are few of them left Berrales said
that both the American and Mexican press wrote

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that copies of Laudo Ayeda's newspaper Elnde
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were found on the Mexican rebels who
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Laudo Aires Elin de Panente took the
liberty of personifying Teresa as a visionary woman

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encouraging an apocalypse revolution. In eighteen
ninety six, a statement for Muria was

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printed in the El Paso Herald.
It read, the press generally in these

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days has occupied itself with my humble
person in terms unfavorable in the highest degree,

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since in the fashion most unjust,
the fashion in the Republic of Mexico,

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they refer to me as participating in
political matters. They connect me with

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the events which have happened in Nogala, Sonora, in Coyame and Presido de

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Northichihuahua, where people have risen in
arms against the government of Senora Neal Don

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Porfirio Villas. I have noticed with
much pain that the persons who take up

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arms in Mexican territory have invoked up
my name in aid of the schemes they

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are carrying through. But I repeat, I am not one who authorizes or

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at the same time interferes with these
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expatriated from my country since May nineteenth, eighteen ninety two, A Mexican official

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quoted by The New York Times said
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more than one thousand people during the
uprisings by northern tribes Telgan and Camp and

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other historians noted that after a short
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Segundo Barrio, Desa suffered harassment and
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both the United States and Mexican governments, forcing her to leave Elpaso in search

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of a safer environment. In eighteen
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to Clifton, Arizona. Clifton was
far away from political activity that lingered in

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cities such as Elbaso. Domas.
Urea started a dairy and firewood business,

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and Theesa continued her healing practices.
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at the age of twenty seven,
she married Guadalupe Rodriguez, against her father's

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wishes. Her husband, a Yaqui
Indian and copper mind worker, went mad

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on their honeymoon, shooting Thedesa and
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Although he did not injure Theesa seriously, he was sent to an insane asylum.

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After this disastrous marriage, a friend
of the family convinced Thatdasa to leave

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Arizona for California in search of peace
and quiet. In California, Edessa joined

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up with a medical company based in
New York that toured the United States on

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a curing crusade. Her only request
was that the people she rendered aid to

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were not to be charged. The
San Francisco Examiner claimed that she cured as

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many as two hundred people a day. Edesa later found out that the promoters

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were in fact profiting off her patients, so she hired a lawyer to end

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their contract. While in New York, Edessa competed in a beauty pageant and

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one on tour in Saint Louis,
Esa called her friend from Clifton, Juana

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van Order, to send one of
her sons to be her interpreter. Her

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friend sent her oldest boy, John
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Edessa and John lived as husband and
wife back in California and had two

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daughters, Laura in nineteen o two
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Dedesa's father died on September twenty second, nineteen o two. She, John

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and their oldest daughter, Laua,
moved into Sonora Town, a small borio

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in Los Angeles, California, many
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There she supported Mexican laborers fighting for
higher pay. Dedessa moved back to

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Clifton, Arizona with her family after
their home in Los Angeles burned down.

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She had turned into the darling of
Clifton's most respected and wealthiest Anglos, having

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card many residents and in particular,
the son of a wealthy banker. Upon

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returning to Clifton, the Santa de
Gabra's health began to deteriorate, and on

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January eleventh, nineteen o six,
Dedesaurea died of tuberculosis at the young age

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of thirty three. Dedessa left her
two daughters in the hands of her comadre

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and longtime friend, Mariana Avendano and
her husband Fortunato. Many of Thedesorea's believers

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felt she had used up all the
energy and power that was given to her

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by the Virgin Mary. They believed
all the healings and stress built up throughout

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her life finally took its toll.
Hundreds of people attended her funeral at Shannon

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Hill Catholic Cemetery, where she was
buried next to her father. Moving from

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one country to another, then state
to state, and city to city,

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that Esauria left a permanent imprint in
the minds and hearts of all the people

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she healed and supported. Ourea's spiritual
guidance is still called upon during the harshest

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and most desperate times in El Paso
Segundovario. Many people are praying and hoping

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that Esoria's spirit is with them as
she did in the past, that Esoria

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continues to unite people of all races
and classes. And although more than one

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hundred years have passed since La Santa
de Kabarah physically graced our world, it

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is clear that she will long be
a source of guidance and motivation for the

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poor and unrepresented. Welcome back Golfriends
once more. If you are a best

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Google Friend on Patreon dot com,
Slash Sustal podcast. Then you can enjoy

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this episode in video format. We
are going to go through some I guess

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sources and other points of conversation that
I wanted to talk about about that issita

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or Lastanta dea. Right off the
bat, the source that I used for

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this entire story basically is from Library
Research Guides. It's EPCC dot libguides dot

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com. And again the direct links
will be linked in these to Google docs

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on Patreon. And this was an
entry by Armando Rosalez Junior in Borderlands de

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inspired Mexican Revolution. And this is
an article that was published in twenty ten.

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This was like again, it was
very similar to the Don Petroja Meo

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episode where it was just like a
gold mine and it was all put together

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so beautifully. The research was done
by admand Rosalez. There were some other

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things though, that I wanted to
talk about. So speaking of Don Pedro

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Amo, Teresa operated like him in
the sense of how they performed their work,

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like they didn't charge for it,
They didn't expect money or anything in

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return. Really, it was just
what they felt called to do, especially

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that Esa. You know, after
she had this really traumatic experience, she

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came back with supernatural, so to
speak, powers of healing. But we

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know that before that happened, she
was already kind of learning. And in

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doing more research, I'm seeing that
there is not debate, but there's just

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people are unsure about who specifically she
was learning from. So I know that

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in this In this article, it
says that she learned from Wila, who

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was the Kurandetta, that was she
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or her father's house, And it
says that she was learning how to be

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yerba. She learned about all these
herbs and their medicinal practices. But she

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was also a parda or a midwife. She was helping people go through childbirth.

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So one of the sources that I
have here is from medium dot com

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and it's an entry on Terasa Urrea
aka Santa Deedesa, Mexican India midwife and

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healer. This is by Joanna Seltzer. This was published in twenty twenty one,

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also a great entry, and she
wrote here. Accounts vary as from

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whom Dedesa learned midwifery and healing arts. Some reports she acquired the practice from

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living with her mother. Others reports
she apprenticed with the Gurandetta on her father's

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ranch. Consensus exists that to find
refuge from the autocratic Porfririo Villa's regime in

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the late eighteen hundreds, the family
moved to Cabora in Sonora. It is

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in this location that Edessa begins to
live as part of the Orea family.

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In eighteen eighty nine, she fell
into an extended illness slash coma, reported

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by some as following a sexual attack, by others as a violent attack and

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by others as an illness. Though
her coffin was prepared, she revives,

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and following her recovery she became a
known midwife and healer by the laying on

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of hands I, meaning she could
just place her hands on someone and like

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heal them. Reported to have been
skilled at using natural remedies to alleviate pain

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during natural childbirth. Accounts to her
nephew of Dedasa's Midwiffrey can describe the pain

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of childbirth as replaced by the sensation
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That's amazing. News of the Saint
of Gabada spread and two thousands began

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pilgrimage to Gabada to receive her treatments, herbs and care. So she was

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like a triple threat, so to
speak. She had the knowledge, the

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medicinal knowledge of herbs and plants,
she had the healing power through touch,

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and she was just like as we
heard in the story, just like an

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all around baddie who fought for the
rights of like oppressed people, specifically indigenous

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peoples. That was so cool to
see that aspect because normally I don't think

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people think of gurandes as like being
involved politically that way. But it makes

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complete sense to me, Like,
how can you expect to heal people and

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to heal community when the community isn't
allowed to like thrive and to live peacefully.

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The next ross that I have is
from Tucson dot com and it's titled

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Western women believers flocked to healing powers
of Dedsita Urrea. This is by Janclear

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Special. It says to the Arizona
Daily Star, published in twenty sixteen,

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and I highlighted a little bit here, and this says. Spending much of

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her time with the Gurandera or healer
Guila, who had overseen the Domas household

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for years, Dedasita learned about the
herbs and plants that the old woman used

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to cure ills and set the bones
of those at the acienda and surrounding villages.

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Much like the very first episode that
I did on Grandismo, like the

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overview and at the presentation that I
did live, we know that guandettas they

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can be interdisciplinary basically as a way
to see like they can do more than

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one practice of gudanda diismo, because
there are many practices. So as I

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just mentioned that Asita was a jed
vea, and I don't know what the

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word was, but like the power
of touch, basically the healing power of

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touch. Weila was also a ydiveda, but also a wesatas, so she

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did like bone setting and this continues. Weeds, grass, tree roots,

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even cactus were all part of Wila's
medicine bag. Before long Dedsita could distinguish

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00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.319
the plants that would ease the pain
of childbirth, cure a lingering illness,

397
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or calm a distressed patient. About
a year after she arrived at Gabarat that

398
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.319
Desita was stricken with an unexplainable cataleptic
state. For almost two weeks, she

399
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.279
lay without moving, taking no food
or water. Her breathing barely discernible.

400
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.680
Dotomas ordered the construction of her coffin
for two weeks. That's wild, this

401
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.279
continues. Suddenly that Issita sat up
and proclaimed she had spoken with the Virgin

402
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.640
Mary, who told that Issita she
now possessed extraordinary powers and should use them

403
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.039
to cure and comfort those in need. Seeing the coffin, that Issita proffered

404
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.319
it would soon be needed for someone
else. Wila died three days later and

405
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.160
was placed in the coffin meant for
Deita. That's kind of sad but also

406
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.279
sweet. The person that she was
apprenticing with was buried in the coffin that

407
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.920
was initially intended for her. I
don't know, there's something kind of poetic

408
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.640
about that to me, but it's
also very sad, but also kind of

409
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.359
wild. You know, they thought
she was she was close to that,

410
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.960
you know, two weeks, no
food, no water, not responsive,

411
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.680
and she just suddenly shoots up,
I'm here, I'm back, I was

412
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.680
contacted. I have a mission.
Now. Sadly, this is not for

413
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.400
me, and I wonder if she
knew that it was for Wela, but

414
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.599
she just didn't say. She was
just like vague and was like just save

415
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.920
it for somebody else. I honestly, if that happened, if that was

416
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.039
me, no, but but really
if that was me, I don't think

417
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.880
I would be able to say this
is this is this coffin is actually for

418
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:49.599
you. You know, it would
break my heart if I came back with

419
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.359
the knowledge that this person that I
loved, that I was learning from that

420
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.119
gave me so many gifts that they're
going to pass away. Like I wouldn't

421
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.519
be able to break that news because
I also probably wouldn't want to face it.

422
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.039
I wonder if she knew who it
was meant for, or if it

423
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.360
was just a general this is going
to be needed soon, so keep it

424
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:10.760
just interesting to think about to me. This continues. Villagers flocked to the

425
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.000
Urrea Acienda in search of a miracle
cure from Dedisita. Often she would go

426
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.119
into a trance, only to wake
and administer her healing powers. Sometimes she

427
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.880
scooped up a handful of earth and
mixed it with her saliva to elicit a

428
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.960
cure while her compelling eyes held the
patient in a trance like state. Her

429
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.840
ministrations bewitched the local Indians, particularly
the Domo Chic, who heild her as

430
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.519
their patron saint, calling her Las
Santa de Ca. But again, as

431
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.039
we know, the Catholic Church was
like, uh, no, don't call

432
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:44.440
her a saint that's reserved specifically for
us, which is funny because they were

433
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.800
so ready to push the religion on
indigenous peoples, but when they want to

434
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.000
adopt it and use it, no, no, no, you're not allowed.

435
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.360
Not that way. No, don't
do it that way whatever, y'all

436
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.760
know how I feel about that.
The next one that I have here is

437
00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:01.800
from Holistic Unconscious dot WordPress dot com. This looks it's a blog. It

438
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.199
looks like and I think it's written
by Okay, I believe this blog from

439
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.840
what I'm picking up here, is
by a doctor, Jim Whitlerk. The

440
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.599
entry that we're reading is about,
of course, thatedas at Uraya, and

441
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.000
I highlighted something where he's talking about, I guess, like the belief in

442
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:22.239
these practices. But he wrote in
Mexico, people interpreted her in terms of

443
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.719
the stereotype of the saint, which
sometimes uses, for example, her sweat

444
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.679
smelling of roses, her selfless devotion
to the poor, her courage against oppression,

445
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.559
her almost ceaseless prayers, and sense
of closeness to God, particularly after

446
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.760
coming to America. This stereotype diverges
from her behavior, which however, still

447
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:44.840
remained highly altruistic. Whereas Orea records
startling healings performed at a single touch,

448
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.960
Bain emphasizes that the most detailed record
of one showed her spending a half hour

449
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.199
in massage on one patient. It, however, comes from after her arrival

450
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:58.639
in America, when Noria depicts her
healing powers as declining. In other words,

451
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.400
stories of the magical are more extreme
in credulous cultures. But is this

452
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:08.119
because belief makes great miracles possible or
because events are exaggerated to fit local assumptions.

453
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.440
I feel like, if you know
me, you already know what my

454
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.880
answer is going to be. I
think it's because I think it's yes.

455
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.840
I think that the belief makes these
great miracles possible. With stories of like

456
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.159
the Bedrojamio, there's stories of people
going to him, and I think it's

457
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.559
a story about a young woman want
it to have like a different hair color,

458
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.840
and because she doesn't believe, and
she only does a patch of her

459
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.039
hair, only a patch of her
hair changes colors and the rest of it

460
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.000
stays the same. That's one of
the stories that I remember hearing when I

461
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.159
was younger. But yeah, I
think, like many many religions, many

462
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.079
faith practices, they only serve you
when you believe in them. Now,

463
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.639
something like buendandismo, where you're expecting
to see actual physical results, I don't

464
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.639
know if it's the same practice.
You know, I would assume that complete

465
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:59.000
faith is necessary for these things to
work. Maybe her her power, so

466
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.440
to speak, word dwind in America
because the belief system was different versus in

467
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.840
and you know, like hello,
that's why we have this podcast. Is

468
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:13.519
the belief in the superstitious, the
supernatural, the paranormal is I think very

469
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.880
prevalent in I will just speak to
my own experiences in Mexican American cultures.

470
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.760
In Mexican culture, yeah again,
I just yeah, I do think that

471
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.039
the belief kind of makes the healing
happen. So the last couple sources I

472
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.639
have here are talking about El Paso's
Segulovarrio, which is where one of the

473
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.880
Oria family's homes were, where they
still stand actually, but this neighborhood was

474
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:43.280
trying to basically fight off the gentrification
of the area because big box stores wanted

475
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.159
to come in and kind of like
take over, which would have resulted in

476
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.400
getting rid of a lot of these
buildings that stand and the locally owned businesses,

477
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.679
and would it probably have affected the
Oria household. I believe they do

478
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.960
it. It's a historical marker,
so I don't know that they could have

479
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.000
done anything to it, but either
way, there's an article from Albosso Times

480
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.599
says Elpasos segun Novadio to be listed
in the National Register of Historic Places.

481
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.079
I believe it says here the national
registered designation. This is a quote from

482
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.800
a historian Max Grossman, who is
one of Elpaso's most vocal advocates for historic

483
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.400
preservation. According to this article,
he said, the National Registered designation is

484
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.039
the most prestigious, the most important
designation that a neighborhood can receive in the

485
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.280
United States. Seguin Lovadio has often
been called the Ellis Island of the Southwest,

486
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:29.599
even though its history predates the famous
East Coast immigration station. The mostly

487
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:34.239
working class immigrant neighborhood, located downtown
directly across the US Mexico border, was

488
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.760
established in eighteen eighty five. According
to Grossman, Ellis Island opened seven years

489
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.519
later. Mexican revolutionaries such as Bancho
Villa and Francisco Mededo plotted battles and toasted

490
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.639
victories in Seguin Nobadio Bars. Future
leaders of the Chicano movement held their first

491
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.639
meeting inside the gym of the Sacred
Heart Church. Seguin. Lovadio's famous residents

492
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.559
included Teresa Urea, a Mexican healer
who drew in hundreds of patients per week

493
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:59.320
in the early nineteen hundreds, and
Nolan Richardson, a Basketball Hall of Fame

494
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.960
honoree who in nineteen sixty seven was
the first black head coach at a Bowie

495
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.199
High School. Many of the tenement
buildings where Chinese, Syrian, Black and

496
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.519
Irish workers once lived still stand today
and are home to the mostly Mexican American

497
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.599
residents. Many apostle families got their
first leg up in this country living in

498
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.000
a tenement and performing humble jobs.
Grossman said, most move out of the

499
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.360
audio, but they never forget where
they came from. They remember with tears

500
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.880
in their eyes how hard their life
was when they first got into the country.

501
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.960
I do believe that a registration on
the National Register of Historic Places is

502
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:37.599
not a complete protection for the neighborhood, but it does incentivize rehabilitating the neighborhood

503
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.280
and preserving it, if you will. So very exciting to hear. As

504
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.079
you know, history is such a
big part of this show, and I

505
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.159
think that some of the conversations that
I have about telling these stories and preserving

506
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:55.000
these stories is that they're not really
they're not documented the same way that other

507
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.880
cultures, histories and folklore has been
docum coumented. And so I think it

508
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.480
is important to do things like this
to preserve history because that, in turn

509
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.960
is a preservation of the culture.
It keeps the culture alive, and it

510
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.920
shows us where we have been,
what we have done. It's really important,

511
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.400
so very exciting. And again,
if you are in al Baso,

512
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.039
please go visit the area home,
take pictures for me, send me a

513
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.679
video or something. I would love
to see it. Maybe I'll make my

514
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.719
way out there for a trip.
I do love Esboso. I've been there

515
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.679
before and I think it's beautiful,
So shout out a basso. Love you

516
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.159
all. But yeah, if you
are in the area and you happen to

517
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.800
see it, send me a picture
and let me know how it isn't there.

518
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:53.079
Yeah, it'd be amazing to visit
Welcome Back with Friends. Thank you

519
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:59.280
so much for listening to today's episode. It was really really exciting to see

520
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.119
how different. I mean, of
course they're different people, They're going to

521
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:07.880
be different, but I don't think
I've ever really heard about gurandas being as

522
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:14.719
politically involved as tedsl was, and
as outspoken about the injustices that people face,

523
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.599
that marginalized people are facing, and
in her case, she was talking

524
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:22.639
about indigenous people. I feel like
some people would expect faith healers or spiritual

525
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.599
healers to be like just completely bipartisan
and like, well, you know,

526
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.079
we need to understand all sides.
No, Edessa was like, fuck that

527
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:36.760
treat these people, better pay them
regardless of gender, class, nationality,

528
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.840
race, Like just oh my god, what a badass. I love her.

529
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.119
I'm so excited to learn more about
her. I know that there were

530
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.239
some books published about her that were
written by some of her family. I

531
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:50.239
think it was like her grand her
grand nephew, great grand nephew or grandsonners

532
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.920
something like that. I'm going to
look it up. I definitely do not

533
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.559
need to be adding to my to
be red list, but how can I

534
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.840
not? Again, thank you so
much for listening. If you're going to

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