July 23, 2026

Metaphysical U ft. Sara Reeves

Metaphysical U ft. Sara Reeves
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With all of that out of the way, let's get

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into today's very special episode. I am so excited. This

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really has been a long time coming. As with many guests,

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you know, I meet amazing people doing this work, and

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then we're like, hey, let's get together, let's do something,

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and you know, we get busy. We're all we're all

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people right living our lives. We get busy. But I'm

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very excited today to have Sarah Reeves, who is a

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intuitive and does amazing work in the metaphysical community here

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in Austin, Texas. So y'all are in for a real treat.

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We had an amazing conversation today. I'm very excited for

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y'all to hear more from her. Please welcome to SUSTO

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to your ears wherever you are listening. Sarah Reeves. First off,

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I want to say thank you so much for being here.

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It's about time, right, it is? It is. Yeah, every

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time we see each other, we're like, we gotta do this,

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Like we got to get together, we got to talk,

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get on the pods, and then you know, life just and.

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Then life just goes. Yeah, but it's okay. We found

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a time. Universe said right now.

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The timing is right. I feel like it's meant to

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be something that's going to happen. And hey, I we're

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here in this incredible space now. So I think it's

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very much. It was meant to happen.

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It was meant to happen. It was meant to happen.

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I wasn't going to have you in my little tiny

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home office guest room studio.

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I wouldn't have minded when I.

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Thank you so much. Well for listeners, for viewers who

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may not know what you do, can you please share

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what you're all about, what being an intuitive is about,

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and what your work looks like.

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Oh, it's craziness, it's a lot of fun. So I

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am Sarah Reeves. I am an intuitive here working out

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of Austin, Austin area. I guess if we look at

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it everywhere, being an intuitive, what I say what I

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do is mostly teach now because I really found that

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my journey to be where I'm at now was really

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hard to do. It was hard to find information. It

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was hard to find the right people, the language, the

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you know, just all the technical language behind the metaphysical

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framework and you know, are you clairvoyant? Are you a psychic?

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Or are you a medium? Are you a thing? Right?

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Really understanding how it all fits together was hard. It

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was a lot harder to find supporting information for things

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that I already understood, I knew how to do, but

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needed the guidance of what the experience was fully like

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for somebody who had been doing it for much longer

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than me. Right, It was just one of those things,

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and that I so I decided, you know what I

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need to teach because I share anyway, right, I like

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to share the FYI do this fun thing I just learned, right,

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and it just kind of came into the natural balance.

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So I just was fortunate to meet Stephen through my husband, right,

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who was like, our house is haunted.

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And we will be hearing more about that later. So

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is that kind of how you got your foot in

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the door, so to speak? With like the metaphysical community

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here in Austin, because your Austin based were both in Austin.

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Hence why we see each other out on a lot. Yeah,

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I want to hear more about that. So it sounds

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like that was kind of your again your foot and

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the door.

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Was yeah, meeting, Yeah, I go to haunted House. What

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do I do? And that was really mostly my husband

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finding out, you know, finding student's team early on, you know,

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when they were young and cute and adorable. They were

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all still in college, right, and it was it was

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a great moment of a reminder of remember you could

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do this, right, remember that you could do this. You

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just started blocking it off. You know, I had kids, right,

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I had kids in the life and you know, been married,

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we moved like all these things, and I had not

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understood that it had always been part the intuitiveness, had

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been part of the culture, part of the way that

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I grew up and was always accepted but then also

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made fun of right at the same time. So it

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was really kind of fun. It was like initially it

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was like I know, oh my goodness, and then later

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on it was like, oh, yeah, you know, can you

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look at this thing. I was really so it was

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really strange to remember that that's what the foundation of

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who I was was and then to understand how to

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buy pull it out, isolate it for myself. And I

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think the ice being able to pull it out, get

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the education isolated, find the information of the label of

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what it was that I did. That was the journey

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that I needed to kind of really understand that and

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building my own belief system right to behind it. Alexis

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was great. I from City Alchemists was like, I'm going

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to say, the first official mentor that I had where

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he understood to say historically, go look at it, Go

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look at it from your historical culture, Go back and

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look at your family, go see the stories and identify

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these stories as not stories but part of teaching you

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your intuition. So he was probably the one that put

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me onto the path of understanding in that way. And

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you know, Elaine Ironan was the one who just said, honey,

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you're already doing it, just go right, So she was

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It was just really fun to get somebody who'd been

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working in the industry much longer than I have to

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recognize and go, yeah, just go, just keep going right.

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So that was really fun. So the combination of those

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two people really launched where I'm at today. And Stephen

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just put me into the public eye. Yeah, and allowed

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me to just be me. I you know, wasn't like

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here's your gimmick or here's your thing. He was like,

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we're going to go help someone. You'll want to come

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and I went, yeah, let's do it. Yeah.

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You were talking a bit about like kind of honing

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those abilities, and you talked about in the past sort

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of like diminishing it or trying to put a cap

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on those abilities, especially as a kid. And I can

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imagine when I talk to other people who have honed

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again those abilities, like when there were children that experienced

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being maybe frighten you just because it was unknown at

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the moment. But you say that in your words, at

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some point the metaphysical refused to be ignored. Yeah, what

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was that point for for you? Like? What did that

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was there? Was there any one experience. Was it just

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a culmination where you finally decided like, all right, I

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need to fully embrace this and go for it.

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I think it was just a moment of being a

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little lost, And I think that's usually most you know,

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if I air quote the awakening right word, happened because

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you are a little lost somewhere found you've found yourself going,

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what is happening in my life right now? Like? What

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am I not looking at? And I think in our

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family at the moment, there was so many emotional things happening,

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so many different changes going on in all of us,

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that it just kicked off this crazy sensation inside that

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was like, this is not me right, Like I just

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looked at everything in a completely different light and said,

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this is not where I want to be, but I

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need to know where. And it took me a little

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bit to understand because I was looking external for the answer. Right.

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Everybody does that, I think now. I think society teaches

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us to do that. Right, Oh you're not happy, go

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look external, go look, go look out. You know, everything

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is out. And it was the first moment that I

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realized the answer is not out, it's in and it

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has always been there. I was just ignoring it because

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I didn't want to hear the truth behind it. I

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didn't want to feel like I had made a mistake

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or that I had you know, I was too far

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from the redemption of my life right I needed to

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be able to build it in there and that came

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as an existential spiritual crisis for me, and I fought

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so hard against it because I was like, no, I

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don't want to do the Catholic things. No, I don't

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want to do that, you know. I was just fighting

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against the grain that I had grown up with instead

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of remembering that I embraced only certain pieces, and the

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certain pieces were okay to bring in as long as

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they felt good to me, and then just ignore the

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other ones, right, Like the other ones that don't make sense,

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well they don't make sense until they do, or they

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just never do. And so that was kind of that

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one emotional pivotal, great, big point in our life was

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what changed the direction of where I looked. But it

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was a lot of things. It was many losses in

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a short period of time frame. It was relationship issues

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that we had internally from Rennie and I watching our

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children get into an age where we were going to,

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i say, be discarded as parents right when it's time

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for them to kind of fly out of the nest.

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So that it was like a just a brink of

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change that we had to address right or I had

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to address in the moment.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you you mentioned the

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Catholicism was there. Did you have a religious upbringing kid? Yeah?

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What was that?

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Like, I call it the religious strange ping pong? Right.

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So we come from like a heavily Hispanic family, Right,

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So I grew up in its Catholicism all the way.

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You know, you're seven, you must do your Holy First Communion,

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you're in your teens, you got to go to Catechism,

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You've got to do the things. But I was very

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much not necessarily against it. I was really good at

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pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

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Love that they love that.

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I was like, well you said this, but you're doing

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that right. So it was one of those things. But

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at the same time, I also was so enamored by

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by the belief system, Like there were certain pieces of

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it that I just brought in and knew, yes, that works.

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But not only did I grow up in the Catholic environment,

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the kadis makticos as well. Right, My mom was part

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of the charismatic group that was more like an indigenous

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healing group, which was crazy. Right. They would have people,

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they'd be like, Oh, this person's not doing well, and

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they would get the neighborhood ladies all together and bring them,

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sit them in the middle of the living room, and

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then we would surround them and sing and move and

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feed them and dulse them with whatever right whatever was there,

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and beat them with herbs and do all this stuff

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to draw out whatever it was right. And that was

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part of how we grew up.

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You know.

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We had a grandetta that was a grandmother for us

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and taught down these things as part of everyday life,

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not not part of herkud on, that dismal practice, if

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that makes sense. It was like, oh, you're sick, strapped

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the potatoes on, right, or you this you you know,

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do the things that she would teach us with scary stories, right,

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like you know, all the things that we grew up with,

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all these weird stories that blend. Now when I go

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back and look, it's a blend of indigenous story and

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that in that time, that modern culture view for them,

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they blended it together to teach us lessons and still

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weaved in like oh, if you take you know, ginger,

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it draws out pain, or if you do that, like

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there was all kind of weaved in on top of

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there is only one God, right, believe in Jesus and

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do the thing and it was just crazy. It was

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a crazy mix of belief and I think that's why

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I have like this openness to it.

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Depending only that like that folk Catholicism, Yes, and I

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love that, Oh yeah, I love it. As someone who

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is like really expanded my own like beliefs and practices,

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I do find myself gravitating to some of those things,

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and I'm like, why can't I let go of it?

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But I don't know. I still don't have a solid

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answer for it. But it's always funny when I meet

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other people, especially other Latino people who are very into

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like spirituality and the metaphysical, and I'm like Catholic, right,

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and they're like, yeah, but there's also something I think,

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just like I always say this that there's like Catholicism.

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I think it's inherently like spooky. It's inherently scary, you know,

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like it's it's I believe it's a form many you

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could say about many religions, but it's a form of

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like witchcrafft. You know, you gather with your congregation, your

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coven once a week, you seeing you pray, so you

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do spells and there's all these rituals and then you're

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eating symbolically the flesh and the blood of your deity.

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And then the whole time he's hanging up, literally hanging out.

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I'm like, yeah, of course, you know, many of us

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become interested in, you know, the expanded version of this,

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the add ons, you know, the accessories to.

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H To me, it was always like a unique like

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it's a unique creation story, right, that's kind of how

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I look at it. And then when when we're looking

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at it, life before Jesus, right, great creation story kind

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of this way that early on humans would have to

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explain their life. You know that was hard back then, right,

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And it was hard back then and still trying to

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keep order, and then you know, adding Jesus, and it

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was like giving you this hope that none of that

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really was. It was hard, yes, but it's not set

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in stone. And I think that was the beauty behind

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saying it's not set in stone, and you don't have

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to look at others for that kind of leadership. You

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need to look within and then what tells you inside

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be kind to someone else? Just follow that, right, And

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I thought that was like such a simple way of

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looking at the world. But then when I started kind

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of looking at other cultures. When I got into my

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ministry and I started learning all of the things that

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built the story, a history behind why the story was built. Right,

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it was like it was designed to control, it was

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designed to do weird stuff, right, it's according to history.

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But every culture has this creation story that's so similar

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that it has the similar love and the intention and

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that they heal through plants, nature each other. So I

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was like, this is not it's not just one thing.

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It's all these things together and everybody is meant to

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learn a story that keeps them on the straight and narrow,

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if you will, or keep them balanced within their own

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their own shadow frame. Right.

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Yeah, I think especially now to you you kind of

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alluded to it just now about like people needing that hope,

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and I think that has happened many times throughout history

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when things get really rough and really dicey, and we

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can say it now, you know, it's a really really

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scary time. There's a lot of it's messed up stuff

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happening currently. And so I want to say I've seen

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something about that in a study that anytime there's a

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spike in like negative sentiment or like strife, like communal

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strife in a nation, like the interest in religion and

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in spirituality, and specifically like the paranormal It there's a

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spike in it, Yeah, because people are they're looking for answers.

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They're looking how to explain what is happening in the

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physical world, or they're looking, like you said, for that

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hope for something to a lot of chions so that

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they can say, I can I can look away to

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this and look for greater meaning to what is happening yep, yeah, or.

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I can understand what do I do? I think a

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lot I come across a lot of that question with clients,

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with students. I can see that everything is in a

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disarray right like the world is crazy right now, and

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we don't It's weird because within our communities we don't

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feel like because we don't think that way. But then

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we're being pumped full of the knowledge of everything around

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us saying no, we are divided or we are you know,

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this craziness is happening, and their need to want to

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do something surfaces. What do I do I am? They

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see themselves, is I'm this little drop in an ocean

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of water, and what can I do? And it's that

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sensation that it's like now go within, stop looking at

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what you can do externally, and go inside and let

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the inside drive what you're gonna do with the next

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drop of water next to you and the next one

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next to you, and keep it small. Eventually there'll be

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so many pools of water. We just connect and that

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connection overwhelms the smaller connection of the bad that's going on,

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and I think it just vibrationally just shifts it and

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then hope happens. Right, So that's me just thinking that's

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how it's That's how it's always worked. The spikes are

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to unite the hope and then hopefully out of that

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something big just trumps whatever's going on. So historically that's

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kind of what's happened.

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Yeah, Yeah, and that sounds beautiful. I love that. We're

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going to take your break on that one.

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Absolutely.

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We are back speaking of intuition and me, for some reason,

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always calling out the name married to you. I don't

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know why to do that. I don't know why I

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do that, But you have expressed before that intuition is

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it's not as much of a gift that people might say.

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It is that everyone at some level has intuition, right,

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And there's probably a lot of people that may not

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understand that, or may deny it and say like, no,

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I just like I don't have any of that ability.

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You can't live if you don't have it.

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Yeah, I want to hear more about that.

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Derive it. Right. Everybody is intuitive. It's just the level

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of intuition is depending on what you want to pay

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attention to. Right. So everybody's intuitive because we all have

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fight or flight, we all have the need to survive,

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we all have the need to understand. We want to live,

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we want to be okay, and we are going to

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rely on the environment to give us the signals that

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say you're okay, right, or to say, hey, you're in danger,

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move this way. So if we think about removing the concrete, right,

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removing all the stuff that we're in now, and we

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put us out in the middle of fields and mountains

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and things, at that point, we are so reliant on

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listening to where the wind is moving, to hearing the

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crumpling of the ground for animals, if we're hunting, right,

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we're looking at those We're using our intuitive skills to

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understand something that we cannot actually see yet. You're going, oh, wait,

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I hear the crumpling of this, the crumpling of that.

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But when you're out and hunting and out and looking,

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you're also looking for a secondary danger, right, something that

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might creep up on you, or something that might give

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you a signal to do something. And we're designed to

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receive these signals. So the design of our intuition it's there.

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There's everybody has it. I look at what I do

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different from what someone else, right, who thinks that They're like,

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we're just normal. We don't have the things you can do.

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It's just the difference of me being able to pay

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attention and hone in right, kind of like a jogger, right, Oh,

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I'm gonna jog. Joggers don't necessarily go I'm going to

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go from jogging to the Olympics. But there are a

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few who do right. Everybody can run in some form,

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frame or fashion. But some are just exceptional runners because

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they put all their love and all their passion into

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wanting to do that, and they hone in the craft. Right.

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They just learn and then they get to go to

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the Olympics. Will you know, Bob learns how to run

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around the block, right, or maybe just jog to the car.

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Whatever their level is that, and I feel like, yeah,

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I'm almost bop right, I'm dressed a little bit of

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a but I like to do some four k's every

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now and then and then I stop. But it's truly

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just understanding that it depends on how you hone it

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in and a medium and a psychic is just how

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your intuition receives information. It's not who you are, but

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how you do it. And that's a completely different thought

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process when you think about it. And all of those

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skills require practice. Right, natural ability is great, but if

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you add practice to that and understanding, it just kicks

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it up a little bit further.

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Yeah, it sounds like being more than anything, being like

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open and receptive and like literally listening, like listening whether

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it's like you said to like feeling sound to your senses,

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and then that allows you to kind of like open

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up more internally. How does someone begin to recognize, like

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you said, you know, natural ability is great and then

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you want to practice that and build on that. How

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would someone maybe begin to recognize their own intuitive abilities.

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They would have to be really honest with themselves, right,

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besides the fear behind thinking that people think they're crazy. Right,

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So they've got to move beyond to the point where

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it doesn't matter if somebody thinks they're crazy. They need

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to investigate why, right, Why why do I get these things?

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Or I would you understand it? It's truly to listen

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to understanding yourself. Right. Ninety percent of developing intuition is

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working on you, because once you can't lie to you,

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once you understand the difference in the voices in your

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head of the positive and negative voices, nothing can trick

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you at that point. At that point you can isolate

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and go woo, that voice that I heard, that one

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was not mine. It didn't even use phrases that I understand.

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That was not me, or I was fine five minutes ago,

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and suddenly now I have this emotion that just came

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from somewhere. I don't know where it came from. You

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have to be able to understand yourself to be able

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to allow other things in and then accept that they're there.

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You're like, trust it, Yeah, you've got to trust that whop,

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that was not my voice. And even if you just

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start off with I just saw that that was weird.

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I don't know what to do with it, but it's there.

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That's now you accepting something into your reality, even if

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you don't know what to do next with it. And

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the more you do that, the more you're going to

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be able to seek knowledge. But it's your responsibility to

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seek that knowledge. It's not my responsibility to seek it

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for you. Right, So you've got to want to look

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at it and be honest and want to change because

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doing this will change you. It will not only change you,

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but it'll change the relationships you have with all the

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people around you. And they're either going to accept that

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change and change with you, or they're not and they're

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going to move away from you, and you have to

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be ready for that. And I think that's the scariest

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part of developing intuition.

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Yeah, it sounds like building that that like security in oneself.

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You cannot have too much insecurity doing this work, especially

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when you share it with other people, because like you said,

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like you run that risk of people just being like, oh, well,

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they're just crazy, they're just.

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Crazy, right, And then you can't get stuck in the

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proven mode either. Right. It's one of those things that

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you know, you're like, oh, yeah, prove it. You know,

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you don't need to prove anything to anyone you have

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to understand that if you can do this, just trust

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the information flies out of your mouth and let it fly.

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Even if the person goes no, that resonated with me.

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I promise you later on, they're going to.

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Be like shit, I was about to say, I have

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I have a friend who she does a lot of

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psychic work. She's a psychic, and I've had mutual friends

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who will say like, oh, I booked an appointment with

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so and so and they did this reading for me

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and they're like, I don't know, like it didn't really

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make sense. And I'm like, okay, but I know this

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friend and like I'm confident in her abilities too, and

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so I'm like, oh okay. I was like, well, you know,

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maybe they're picking about something else whatever whatever. A couple

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of weeks ago by and they're like, and holy shit,

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she was spot on or like something out that They're

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like I was wrong, Like no, like, they're like she

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was totally. I'm like, well, yeah, you just got to

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give it time sometimes, like it's not like an immediate

474
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:42.160
It took me a bit.

475
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.519
Working with clients because you know, working with places when

476
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.519
you know, with Steven and Alexis is very different than

477
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.240
working with people, and people are very unpredictable and there's

478
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.160
like the energy is really odd. So being able to

479
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.880
start with clients. When I initially started, I had that

480
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.160
nervous thing when I didn't get anything back, you know,

481
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:02.160
like I'd be talking they'd just be like sure, whatever, right,

482
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.079
and they'd been like, well that was an interesting reading, right,

483
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:06.680
like kind of they would leave and I was like, fuck, okay, right,

484
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.359
I'm like, well, I don't know. I just said whatever

485
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.200
was there, and I didn't let it kill the confidence, right,

486
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.640
I just kind of just went, well that's what I got.

487
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.440
Fuck it, you know, I don't know what's happening. But

488
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.680
they would then call me or email me weeks later

489
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.519
or even months later to go, hey, you know that

490
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.319
thing that I was nosshole about, right, yeah, it did

491
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.000
come true? Right? Or you were on point? Or I

492
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.039
talked to my grandmother and she was she said that

493
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.079
was so and so, and it was like almost exactly

494
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.119
when she showed me the image, and I was like cool,

495
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.279
So I that gave me more confidence to just continue

496
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:38.000
to run my mouth.

497
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.680
Right, Yeah, I was about to say. I was like,

498
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.920
I feel like I should maybe not ever do this

499
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.920
because I am such an I told you so person,

500
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:47.839
and I feel like spirit would be like, you need

501
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.599
to stop behaving that way, you need to stop. So

502
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.000
good for you for not being like, well, well well

503
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:54.839
well yeah.

504
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.319
I try not to. I just kind of panicked until

505
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.519
I hear from them, and then I go, okay, was cool,

506
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:00.480
it was good.

507
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.720
I can keep going right, yeah, oh gosh. So one

508
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.799
of your kind of like specializations is entity communication, and

509
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.960
I wanted to talk about this one because I feel

510
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.359
like for like the everyday person, for someone who maybe

511
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.920
is not involved in this kind of work or this

512
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.160
industry or this field, what have you, when they hear

513
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.440
something like that, I think their immediate thought is like

514
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.319
something like in the movies, it's like, oh, you can

515
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.240
talk to dead people, you can talk to ghosts. So

516
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.720
I'm very interested to hear from you what that actually

517
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.559
looks like in practice and like when someone comes to

518
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.160
you for that sort of work. Because I was as

519
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.559
I was going through your website, that was the one

520
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:44.920
where I was like, I feel like this would be

521
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.640
the one that would probably catch people's attention right away

522
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:49.799
and be like, oh, like she can do this, what

523
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.839
is this? So how would you she can do this?

524
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.359
She can do right exactly? How how would you describe

525
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.200
that that kind of work.

526
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.759
It's it's different every time, so it's kind of I'll

527
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:04.000
give you the I guess the running pattern. I guess

528
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.920
that's the best way to put it. Right. It's dependent

529
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:09.680
and we're going to focus on let's just say, when

530
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.160
I am out and about right in areas. In areas

531
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.279
it's for me, it's easier to pick up the energy

532
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.759
of another entity or something that's there because they're willing

533
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.000
to want to talk, right, they're willing there. Maybe that's

534
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.640
been quiet too and long, or nobody's been listening to them,

535
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.759
and they tend to come in with the use of

536
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.640
the energy around them. So when they come in, I

537
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.680
can experience it either as a physical view of energy

538
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.359
moving through the room, like I can see that it's there,

539
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.759
either a watery outline or a snap of a picture

540
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.160
that happens in my head. And for some reason, that

541
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.960
snap has so much detail, even though it was a

542
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.799
quick flash, there's so much detail to it and sometimes

543
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.640
even a story behind it that I can grab and

544
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.000
understand how to tie it together. But the story is

545
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.519
never a straight line. It's always these pockets of little

546
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.359
pieces of other pictures that I have to understand how

547
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.440
to string together. And that was probably the hardest thing

548
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.200
to learn, is understanding how to string it together without

549
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.240
my bias, right with just kind of openly there. And

550
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.400
then I realized, oh, I can back and forth. You

551
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.119
can show me a string of pictures, and I can

552
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.319
concentrate on just one picture and say this picture, can

553
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.799
you tell me more about that? And then another wave

554
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.880
of energy will come in and give me different things.

555
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.400
But the experience could be something that's all cranial right,

556
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.240
all in my head, all in my mind's eye. I

557
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.799
can see the movie kind of happening, slow it down

558
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.960
and bring it back. Or it could be me sitting

559
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.839
down like we are today and me not even understanding

560
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.599
that what I'm connecting to is even dead right. I've

561
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.319
had those experiences where I've had these full conversations thinking

562
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.720
the person was there, alive with me, and they were not.

563
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.079
So it took me years time to understand to miss

564
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.599
look for the missing things. Do they have feet? Can

565
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.359
I you know, their eyes like really present? Can I

566
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.160
see through them? Are they missing pieces of their shoulders?

567
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.200
Like I had to really pay attend to the detail

568
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.720
of what was sitting in front of me to go,

569
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.519
this is real, but it's dead, right, it's not here,

570
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.960
and the reactions of other people. Right, sometimes people would

571
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:20.599
walk by and be like, what's up with this crazy lady? Yeah, okay.

572
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:27.440
And then sometimes it's something I just suddenly understand, like

573
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.559
just I understand that the room looked different, or I

574
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.640
understand that there should have been a wall there, or

575
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.079
there's like there's an understanding and I don't and I

576
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.759
don't know how to explain that one in an easy

577
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.440
way because I can feel it in my body almost

578
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.960
like a memory, instead of me having a conversation with

579
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:49.640
another entity. So it's just dependent on what the entity is,

580
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.720
who it is, how long they've been passed, or are

581
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.319
they here on this plane or are they in the

582
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.200
next one. Right, There's a lot of little things that

583
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.599
come into that, and it took me a bit to

584
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.680
hone it in. But people who have I'm going to say,

585
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.599
who are neurodivergent, right, that do have things like ADHD

586
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.200
or something, they tend to be able to do this

587
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.640
so well. But they also are the first ones to

588
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.720
second guess themselves because they put the pictures of those

589
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:18.359
pieces in quick succession they can go to right see

590
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.640
it and go, this is the story, but then they

591
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.960
second guess it because they did it so fast, right,

592
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.160
So it's like a really interesting thing to watch them

593
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.640
work because they are grabbing pieces of energy putting the

594
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.359
story together. And then they rewrite it and they write

595
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:32.720
it and rewrite it and write it, and that's what

596
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.440
gets the second guessing. Yeah, so that's crazy.

597
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.920
I wish we had a camera in the control room

598
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:46.839
because I can feel Jeff smiling loudly right now at me. Yeah.

599
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.319
I was going to say, like I want to ask

600
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.240
this question because I know or I assumed that it

601
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.559
would be different from encounter to encounter. It's never going

602
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.240
to be the same every time. And I think that's

603
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:01.880
what's important for people to understand, is like you cannot

604
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.960
just you know, I don't know how to say it, Like,

605
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:06.920
I don't know why the image of like draping a mannequin.

606
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.039
You cannot just like drape something on a mannequin and

607
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.160
it's going to look the same every time when you

608
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.400
toss it. It's going to look different every single time.

609
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.319
So I don't know if that.

610
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.759
No, Yeah, absolutely, it's going to look different, not only

611
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.640
every time to you. But if I travel with someone

612
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:25.039
else trouble with another intuitive, they're going to be sensitive

613
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.559
to different vibrations than I am. So their experience. We

614
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.119
could be in the same room, in the same location,

615
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.440
in the same space, their experience could be completely different

616
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.759
from mine because of what their energy is willing to

617
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.960
bring in, right, versus what's willing what I'm willing. So

618
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.400
I never really cast off and never say no, you're wrong.

619
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.000
I just go give me more because then maybe I

620
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.640
can find the same thread and then follow the same direction. Right.

621
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.160
Sometimes it's not my find it's somebody else's fined right,

622
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:59.160
And depending on the external person trying to find the information,

623
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.839
one of it is going to be right. But there'll

624
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.039
always be this weird little baseline between us, like here

625
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.319
was this thing, and then we branch off from there.

626
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.720
So it's never the same, not from person to person,

627
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.799
nor every time I've had the experience. What I memorize

628
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.920
is the vibration of the pattern of the way that

629
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.960
it feels to know, oh, that's a ghost versus that's

630
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.960
an elemental spirit, that's something that's in nature versus ooh

631
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.799
that's something more divine.

632
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:26.680
Right.

633
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:28.319
So it's knowing.

634
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.799
That pattern, Yeah, and knowing how to like hand off,

635
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.319
you know, the baton, but someone else is involved, the

636
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.880
spiritual baton. I feel like I I want to say

637
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.400
it was a long time ago that I listened to

638
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.920
that episode that happened on an episode with the Night

639
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.720
outl right where it was you and there was someone

640
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.920
else another intuitive where you all maybe like picked up

641
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.240
on something we've done.

642
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.640
Yeah, we've done different things, and that's happened between me

643
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.240
and Lane. That's happened. And she wasn't even there, she

644
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.079
was just consulting in so we got the baseline, but

645
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.240
then she branched off to one thing while I branched

646
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:05.720
off into something else. Jeffrey, it's happened, you know, Kate

647
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.759
the Brave, It's happened. We've been together in again, same place,

648
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.799
same space, different different things, right, different things that we

649
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.039
all received. And it's not a question of oh, well,

650
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:17.799
this one's wide or this one's wrong. It's more of

651
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.359
a question of what energy am I in tune to? Right?

652
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.079
I'm in tuned to a lot of energy of people

653
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:26.079
who seem to be lost, misguided, or they never really

654
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:27.839
found their place. That's the kind of energy that is

655
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.160
attracted to me where others might be. It's more about

656
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.480
the nature of the space. The wood talks to them,

657
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.480
the house talks to them, the thing. You know, they're

658
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.000
looking at it in a different perspective. So some its plants, right,

659
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.799
things like that. So it just depends on the person.

660
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.000
All right, We're going to take a quick break on

661
00:33:45.000 --> 00:34:03.920
that one, absolutely, and we are back. So Sarah, as

662
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.559
you know, this show, I tend to focus a lot

663
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.880
on stories that are very specific to a culture or

664
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.960
to maybe to like a set of cultures, right, And

665
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.320
like you mentioned earlier, you heard some of the stories

666
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.199
growing up, you know, LIKEUI, a lot of these like

667
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:24.639
disciplinary legends, right. So I know that you are familiar

668
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.159
with susto as a concept of like a folk illness.

669
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.800
Have you encountered in your work people who you would

670
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.400
maybe diagnose as suffering from susto And have you ever

671
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.920
had to like remedy that before?

672
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's I come across it a little

673
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.000
bit more often the next care to admandments it is

674
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:49.719
more often, and remedying it is difficult because you first

675
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.960
have to change the mind of the person, right, once

676
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.440
somebody believes something in them wholeheartedly. To get them to

677
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.639
see a different perspective is extremely difficult, right, it's really

678
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.159
understanding how to jolt the energy into a different vision.

679
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:11.000
So when somebody suffers from SUSTO, you first have to

680
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:14.800
work with understanding why they're holding on to that concept.

681
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.679
Understood that it's a deep like symptoms, it's a deep fear,

682
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.800
but it's deep fear that makes us feel powerless or

683
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.760
that we didn't have the correct protection in our mind's eye.

684
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.000
So you have to build that trust back into themselves

685
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:33.039
by shaking it out of them essentially, right to really

686
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.320
just go, is this what you really believe is real?

687
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.800
To let go of the nervous system, right, let the

688
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.719
energy go. It's to me, I always look at it

689
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.480
in my head, is when somebody is suffering. So susto

690
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.159
is like a possum, right, when possums it play dead

691
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.039
and they just right just it just lay there. And

692
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.559
then once they understand that the danger is lost, they

693
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.760
kind of start waking up a little bit and then

694
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.480
they kind of look around like is it say I

695
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.920
could I make my rent? They'll make their rent, they'll

696
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.679
leave the escape and once they understand they're safe, what

697
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.199
they do is they shake out the energy of that frame.

698
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.119
They play possum so that their body doesn't feel the

699
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.280
damage when something starts to eat them. Right, they're essentially

700
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:18.360
half killing themselves. With us, when we get scared, the

701
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.400
same thing can happen. We essentially put ourselves in a

702
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.119
state of almost being half dead to survive the pain

703
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.360
of whatever is going to happen next, whether it's emotional

704
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:33.360
pain or physical pain. When it is spiritual pain, a

705
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.000
ghost scared shit out of you, right or I had

706
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.960
this moment, it's still the same response. You're still locked

707
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.519
into the fear of not understanding how to defend yourself

708
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.440
and also not allowing someone to help you. It's the

709
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.840
craziest thing, and so working with that person, it has

710
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.039
to happen in It's just not going to happen right away.

711
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:55.800
It has to happen in a way for you to

712
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.079
understand first why did they wrap their fear and concept

713
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.880
around what was happening, and then getting them to understand

714
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.280
how much more powerful they are to be able to

715
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.800
shake it off into something else. It's just it's not

716
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.000
as simple black and white. But belief is so strong

717
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.039
it could heal you or it can kill you, depending

718
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.519
on how willing you are to hold on it.

719
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:26.400
Yeah, yeah, it's It's reminded me of when I was younger.

720
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.079
I got very, very sick and to the point of

721
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.960
like I needed like to be rushed to an emergency room.

722
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.199
But before we got to that point, we went to

723
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.119
the Gurandada that lived on the other side of the block,

724
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.159
and she had like this at a media for us,

725
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.360
and she's like, this is what's happening. But even like

726
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.599
before you even got to like go to do you know,

727
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.440
the ritual that she had sat for me, I experienced

728
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.360
that that sort of like paralysis where you're like like

729
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.000
I'm like I don't like I don't know what to do.

730
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.639
I don't know what to believe, I don't know how

731
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.639
to get better and know how to let go. And

732
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.679
so it took a lot of you know, Eventually I

733
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.440
was able to go, you know, get medical attention, which

734
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.679
I always tell people like, seek it from every angle,

735
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.159
approach her from every angle. So I was able to

736
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.800
go get the medical attention that I needed. But then

737
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.880
I realized that there was still a lot of like

738
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.880
spiritual work that needed to be done and spiritual healing,

739
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.239
and so that's I was able to seek out those things,

740
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.119
but shout out to that one nurse at in that

741
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.480
medical I wish I remembered her name. She I remember

742
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:37.719
I had pneumonia and for some reason, like they were

743
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.119
taking a long time to bring like the the nebulaizer,

744
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.280
the breathing treatment, and I was starting to panic because

745
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.880
I couldn't breathe. And this woman she walked in, she

746
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:49.559
was like, what's going on? My mom tried to explain

747
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.519
to her, and she like immediately grabbed my mom's hand

748
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.719
and I'm going to try to cry it, but she

749
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.119
just like put her hands over me and she just

750
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.760
started like she started praying. But I was like, I've

751
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.960
never ever seen or felt someone pray this way. And

752
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:09.719
it literally felt like fire fire, yeah, And I was

753
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.400
just like like my breath came back to me. And

754
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.920
I don't know if it was like a distraction, if

755
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.920
it was truly like I believe that she like she

756
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.960
was tapping into something else, but it was wild. That

757
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:22.960
is the only time I ever experienced something like that,

758
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.400
Like the intensity of it, like how hard she was

759
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.719
like speaking and like I could feel every word like

760
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.920
going through me. And I never saw her again. I

761
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.639
was there for two weeks. I saw her that one time,

762
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.199
and I was like, I wish I could find this

763
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.920
woman and be like what did you do to me?

764
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:38.960
Like how did you do?

765
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.840
It's really going back to kind of some indigenous belief

766
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.760
systems where you know, there are indigenous belief systems that say,

767
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.840
there's a soul in everything that we look at. Right,

768
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.039
Animals have a medicine that we need. Plants have a

769
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.559
medicine that we need, The Earth has a medicine that

770
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.159
we need. But we were always neglecting the fact that

771
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.480
we as humans have the medicine that another human needs

772
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.039
as well. Wow, and we don't count ourselves in part

773
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.320
of that framework. Right. For some reason, they told us, well,

774
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.920
you're more elite or you have this thing, be above that,

775
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.440
but you're not. You're an animal just like that, with

776
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.679
a soul just like that that can heal someone else

777
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.440
just like that. You have to be willing to want

778
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:21.519
to help that person in that moment, understanding that it

779
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.119
doesn't matter what I believe and what you believe. The

780
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.440
goal is healed. And if we're both leading to the

781
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.519
same goal in the whatever we believe in, that's what

782
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.280
sparks the energy that heals right, But it heals everything

783
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.679
your physical frame, your mental frame, your spirit frame, all

784
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.239
that that is connected. And we can do that for

785
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.280
each other. We can do great harm or we can

786
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.320
do great good. It's all on how you direct that energy.

787
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:55.559
And soustos can be healed with just thought. Just the

788
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.840
energy of that other person mixing with the belief that

789
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.960
you are going to get better and that it is

790
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.199
going to go away gives you hope.

791
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:09.480
Again, Yeah, I hope, Yeah, I just got chills. So

792
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.880
I want to talk more about your work with metaphysical you,

793
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.719
as I like to call it the metaphysical universe. You

794
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.880
created this like community everything. No, you really have created

795
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.440
this like this space, so to speak. And so you

796
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.880
found a metaphysical you partly because as you mentioned in

797
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.280
other places that you felt like other places maybe used

798
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.679
fear and mystery as like a way to gatekeep you know,

799
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.480
this knowledge and this like inner power that people can

800
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.800
tap into. What what else motivated you to create metaphysical you?

801
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.360
That was like the top my arty right to be

802
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.480
able to do that. I think also the lack of community.

803
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.800
I ran across so many people wanting to learn and

804
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.920
wanting to get in there, but they didn't have, you know,

805
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.199
they didn't support Like I really feel like I was

806
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:01.159
blessed to have this spport, even though it was you know,

807
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.480
it was the traditional Hispanic supported you're crazy, but still

808
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:05.840
something's there right.

809
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:08.760
For me?

810
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.519
Please right, So it was you know, I had the

811
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.800
supportive understanding that it was a real part of the

812
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.079
world where others don't write. They come from like an

813
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.440
extremely strict belief system, background from their family or none

814
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.639
at all, and this kind of thing was just crazy.

815
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.119
And if they were to say, hey, I just saw

816
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.440
this floating ahead, you know, this other Day Times conversation

817
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:31.960
with this guy that's been dead for one hundred years,

818
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.880
you know, other people would be like, oh, maybe some

819
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.800
commitment is needed to hear it. Right, something's going on.

820
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.280
But to build a community where you could come in

821
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.199
and say that and nobody's going, you're fucking crazy. Everybody's going, wait,

822
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.760
hold on, were you like meditating or were you like

823
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.079
how exactly? Because we're going to try to replicate and

824
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.519
see if we can do ourselves. That is probably the

825
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.079
best thing. And to also hear someone else's story that

826
00:42:56.199 --> 00:43:02.000
is almost exactly yours and how they it's amazing what

827
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.320
it does to people to be able to go shit,

828
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.320
this is like, this is a real It's not just me,

829
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.719
this is a real thing. And to have that community

830
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.880
and that support as you grow in whatever level you're in,

831
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.000
it's awesome, right. And so for me, metaphysical U isn't

832
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.199
just about learning. It's also about forming this safe space

833
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:26.760
of community for anyone who's understanding that this is a

834
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.840
safe space of community and that their perspective, no matter

835
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.039
how other people would see it as obscure, we see

836
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.440
it as like a little treasure, right, a little nugget

837
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.400
of information that wow, I never would have thought somebody

838
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:43.800
would believe that. Tell me why, right, and really exploring

839
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.920
the belief system of others instead of holding hostage and

840
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.920
saying if you don't believe like me, then something's wrong

841
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.440
with you. It's understanding the baseline again, right, that's you know,

842
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.519
the community baseline is to give each other the support

843
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.719
the beliefs is or what's.

844
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.360
Different, right, And so just so people understand like this

845
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.199
and we'll plug everything. Of course at the end, metaphysically

846
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.360
you there are there's courses that people can and there's

847
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.920
time that people can book with you online. But I

848
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.480
think what is really really special, and I'm going to

849
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.440
say about my dollars to try and go. Maybe not

850
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:25.599
this year, but next year. Is the metaphysical Uninhibited, which

851
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.239
is it's the seminar. The seminar, Yes, it's like it's

852
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.639
a day long seminar, like you're saying, where you can

853
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.679
spend that time with like minded people.

854
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.119
I go out of my way to get speakers in

855
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.320
every genre of metaphysical that I can get right, so

856
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.280
we'll feme it for the day and then I will

857
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.679
find somebody who's practicing it. And the caveat for me

858
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:46.400
is you can be on, but you have to be

859
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:48.920
willing to teach. You have to be willing to listen

860
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.320
to somebody's questions, no matter how far fetched it is

861
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.079
about your specialty, and be willing to share the information

862
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.079
just at a base level. It doesn't have to be

863
00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.119
like this super advanced thing. It could just very well

864
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.639
be like I started here and go there and hold

865
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.039
that space. It is true learning. It's not just listening

866
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.840
to somebody give you their story, but listening to somebody

867
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.000
and how they used their practice, how they learned their practice,

868
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.639
and you pick their brain. Right. If you're a death della,

869
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.719
you want to know about that. If you're in gurandar rismo,

870
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.119
you want to learn that. If you're in bottle my

871
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.079
own but you want to understand what that is. That

872
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.199
it's not a danger to everybody, or it's not doing

873
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.559
We've got people who were exorcists and all kinds of

874
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:33.519
stuff that have been speakers. It's really understanding how to

875
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.159
get knowledge, and that seminars. It's literally all day knowledge,

876
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.960
all day community. I strive to make it a little

877
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.519
small and intimate because then we learn a little bit

878
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.119
better like that, so it's really fun. I'm just glad

879
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.599
that this year will be at Nature's Treasures, which is amazing.

880
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.559
That's so exciting, amazing. Yeah, there's this like sense of accessibility,

881
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.880
you know that doesn't always happen, you know, because people

882
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.440
can pay, you know, one hundred dollars out of their

883
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.400
pocket to go to events or what have you, or

884
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.320
they go to free events, you know, but the knowledge

885
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.000
isn't always accessible. It's being people and you know, and

886
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.360
it's fine. Sometimes it's okay to go to things like this,

887
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.159
and I think it's maybe what people need. Sometimes it's

888
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.239
more than they need. But I think there is definitely

889
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.159
the opportunity and you have, I think, taken the opportunity

890
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.519
to make these things accessible to people who are seeking

891
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.360
it out beyond you know, sitting in a presentation, which

892
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.239
again I think is great, people love it, but to interact,

893
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.039
to interact, yeah, and to actually like learn and to

894
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.920
have that back and forth and like you said, in

895
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.760
an intimate setting. Again, that sense of accessibility, I think

896
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.039
is it's really important. That's something that you're providing because

897
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.800
not everything is as accessible as I think it should be.

898
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.400
Right, and to ask, right, it was hard for me

899
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.960
to be able to ask questions developing because people were

900
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.719
like they were gatekeeping the answer. Right. They were like, oh, sure,

901
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.119
look i'll give you the free stuff, but you're gonna

902
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.599
have to pay me five hundred dollars to give you

903
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.679
that end, right, And then when you find out the

904
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:03.480
answer after paying it, you're like, should I already knew

905
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.440
what that was, right? Or I'll damn it. So it's

906
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:11.320
really I wanted it to be accessible because this is everyone.

907
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.119
Everyone is intuitive. Everyone has a right to at least

908
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.400
found the foundation of it. And then if they want

909
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.519
to pay thousands of dollars to specialize, well that's on them, right,

910
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.039
Like knock themselves out. But let them at least first

911
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.519
understand the concept, the baseline of it. Ask questions of

912
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:30.480
the people who are doing it because and stop gatekeeping.

913
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.159
Just give it to them. Gate keep the crazy advanced

914
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.000
things that you really know that can cause harm to

915
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.239
that person if they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Okay, right,

916
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.039
let them build into that, but initially, just answer what

917
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.800
they've got, you know, see it from give them your

918
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.360
perspective with how you were developing and what was going on.

919
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.159
It will help shape them better and that shouldn't be,

920
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.119
you know, with a huge price tag on it. And again,

921
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:59.199
the community is what's important, don't you know when you

922
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.199
shut somebody out or you say no this is a

923
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.480
closed practice, you know, or when you do that, you're

924
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.840
already creating a disconnect in the community. And that doesn't

925
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.639
make sense. This is everybody's going through it, So the

926
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.559
community has to be large enough to support everyone. So

927
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.000
that's what the you in there, right, it's united for me,

928
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:19.880
it's a university for others.

929
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.559
It's the you as the person.

930
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:25.800
Yeah, it's that's the reason for it.

931
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.400
I love that. So we have mentioned them a bit.

932
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.000
The conversation about the n id Ol podcast and your

933
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.960
work on the major shout out to them, even though

934
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.360
they always win Podcast of the Year.

935
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.800
I don't know. I feel like one day, like one

936
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:43.719
day I'll try again.

937
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.440
One day, I'll try again. We'll see, we'll see.

938
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:45.559
No.

939
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.480
But I do love them, and I do love listening

940
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:53.000
to that show. And you know you've done your paranormal

941
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.639
investigations with the team there. I'm curious what your thoughts

942
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.199
are on what do you think is interesting to the

943
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.039
average person about and I say average person not in

944
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.480
like an insulting way, but maybe someone who's not involved

945
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.880
directly in the work, what is interesting to people about

946
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.880
a haunting or about ghosts? Like, what do you think

947
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.039
is like why do people keep coming back to to

948
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.840
these stories or why are they so into hauntings or

949
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.960
alleged hauntings.

950
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.000
I think it's the possibility, right, I think it always

951
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:25.480
And I say the possibility because it would be the

952
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.119
possibility of everything. It could be the possibility of the fear.

953
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.679
Oh my god, you know that demon could be real, right,

954
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.039
the possibility of the fear. Also, it's the possibility that

955
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:41.800
there really is connection after death, right, That possibility is

956
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:46.199
very intriguing to have a tangible something to answer that

957
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.400
because we're so obsessed with it, right, we want to

958
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.440
live forever, So we do our supplements and we work out,

959
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.079
and we do the things and everything that we are

960
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.280
looking at externally to extend our lives. But I think

961
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.599
when you find the paranormal stories, they fulfill two things again,

962
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:08.199
the possibility of that love, that hope, that continuation of

963
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.920
knowing this is not the last thing, or understanding or

964
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.800
the possible fear of what happens if I don't get

965
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.519
my shit together and I get stuck here? Right, So

966
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.440
it's just that crazy, just the sense of just that possibility,

967
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.599
And I think that's what's extremely intriguing about it. But

968
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.880
people just don't understand that experience in this world, whether

969
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:33.639
it's good or bad. In the spiritual world, it hits

970
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:38.159
you personally, right, even if you're just watching it on

971
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.159
TV and you're watching someone else go through it. Something

972
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.800
about hearing that story taps something inside of you that

973
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.199
changes you or forces you to change your perspective. Or

974
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.960
the very possibility that it could happen goes down. What

975
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.360
do I do with it? Instead of fanning fear? Then

976
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.400
maybe just a little bit of understanding would be better,

977
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.599
but you know, whatever it is, what it is, so

978
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.000
I think it just gives them that thought process of possibility, an.

979
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:06.840
Answer and answer, yeah, yeah, have you ever had a moment?

980
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.400
I feel like there's there's a misconception. I'll speak for

981
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.840
myself when people asking about these things, and they'll say, well, oh,

982
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.000
you must not be scared of you know, any of

983
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.639
this right, And for me it varies. Right, like with

984
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.599
the scary movie. I can handle scary movie. I'm usually

985
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.280
good unless it's like really scary, maybe more than someone

986
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:29.960
who's not into that. But for like actual like in person,

987
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.880
real life, you know, encounters with the paranormal, I do

988
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.800
get a little spooked by that. I get a little

989
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.400
frightened here and there. So I'm curious, have you had

990
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.039
any frightening experiences?

991
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:43.360
I've had many frightenings.

992
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.000
Okay, would you be able to share one?

993
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.639
I'd be like this, thank you Stephen for scaring the

994
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.239
little bit shit into me and you appreciate it. But no,

995
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.599
there are a lot of I mean, there's a lot

996
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.519
of scary moments, right, there's a lot of scary moments.

997
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.000
It was hard with night all because Stephen never really

998
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.199
told me where we were going, and so just even

999
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.079
the drive to where they would make me meet them, right,

1000
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.480
I could feel that there was something that I needed

1001
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.360
to pay attention to or something that was going on,

1002
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.760
and I'm like, God, damn it, there's he taking me now.

1003
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:16.880
Right then, It's like every moment could be terrifying. It's

1004
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.039
not a big deal, right every time I go in there,

1005
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.880
I'm like, Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna find,

1006
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.800
but it's what you do despite the fear. I think

1007
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.239
my favorite, I'm gonna say my favorite scary moment was

1008
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.440
I was invited to go out to Yorktown Hospital locally

1009
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.440
and we spent the night. Right, we spent the night

1010
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:40.159
there and we had this great encounter with a few entities.

1011
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.000
And they had a rampod in the middle of a

1012
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:43.960
hallway and the holloway is dark. There's no electricity in

1013
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:48.840
this place, no bathrooms, no running water, and we're talking

1014
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.440
to this rampod. The rampod's beeping back, and then we

1015
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.480
were like, we should move the rampod somewhere else. And

1016
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.119
there's like ten people down this long hallway and they're like,

1017
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:03.440
who's gonna move it. I was just like, well, I'll

1018
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.360
go move it, It's fine, right, And just walking up

1019
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.960
towards it, my mind is just going, look, don't crawl

1020
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.280
up on me, don't come you know, blah blah blah.

1021
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.199
I'm like me, fucking nice, I'm just moving there. I'm

1022
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:20.119
just moving the red pot. Yeah, I'm business, you know,

1023
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.760
just kind of like and it was terrifying, yes, walking

1024
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.559
through them. But I still did it despite the fact,

1025
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:26.480
you know, moved it around and I could just see

1026
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.440
the shadows like retreating and I'm like, I'm just pushing

1027
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:35.000
it over here, trying to keep my shit together. But

1028
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.679
it is, it's it is a terrifying thing because you

1029
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.320
really don't you really don't know one hundred percent what

1030
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:44.840
you're walking into until you interact with it. And then

1031
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.800
you have to have the confidence of being able to

1032
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:48.960
interact with it and know how to get yourself out

1033
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.880
of it. Right. This is where learning your limitations is

1034
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.880
really important. Right. I'm very happy to know just the

1035
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.360
right amount of people to be like, I think I'm possessed.

1036
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:57.239
Can you like that?

1037
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:58.559
Yeah?

1038
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.599
Yeah, help me, you know, beat me with some eucalyptus

1039
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.960
or something. Get this up. So, like, I'm fortunate enough

1040
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:07.480
to have like a good network of people to be

1041
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.079
able to do that and just send other people to

1042
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.039
mm hmm. But you've got to have that strength in

1043
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.920
your in your belief system to just be like, despite

1044
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:18.719
the fear, I'm going to do it right, it doesn't matter.

1045
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.679
But they're not. It's not easy. It's not easy to

1046
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.840
walk into something and be like.

1047
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.039
This, Yeah, gosh, we're going to take one last quick break.

1048
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.880
All right, we are back so really quick on that

1049
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.480
last thing. And also, I feel like generally the idea

1050
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.280
of like community has come up a lot right now

1051
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.760
in this conversation, and so I'm curious about what you

1052
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.360
would say to someone who is maybe interested in like

1053
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.880
we mentioned honing those abilities or embracing them, but maybe

1054
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.960
someone who is skeptical or scared even do you have

1055
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.639
advice for them or maybe even more about like like

1056
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.360
you just mentioned, you know, when you're going into a

1057
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.360
scary situation, you want to make sure that you have

1058
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:16.920
someone else that you can lean on and say, hey,

1059
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.039
I might need help with something. Yeah, you know, do

1060
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.679
you have words of wisdom for folks who are interested

1061
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:23.000
in that?

1062
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.239
If you're starting off, you know, I would tell you,

1063
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.079
you know, seek the knowledge, seek the right person you

1064
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.039
want to learn from, right, really seek them out. Don't

1065
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:38.519
take at face value what someone says. Right, really take

1066
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.800
the information in, write it down, moll it over right,

1067
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:44.079
get it out of your head onto something that's black

1068
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.000
and white, and then give yourself a minute to ask

1069
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.159
is this true? Right? Really understanding to trust that something

1070
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.199
inside of you will tell you yes or no the answer.

1071
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.679
The other thing is as you begin to develop and

1072
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:57.559
you start looking, because a lot of people start off

1073
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.960
self developing, they're looking for books or you know, things

1074
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.320
and information. As you're going and again, find the book

1075
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.239
on the topic, but go down to where it started,

1076
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:09.920
to find the oldest book you can find on the topic,

1077
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.679
and then work your way forward into the modern thinking.

1078
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.079
It will completely change how you look at something when

1079
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.280
you do that. If you're just taking something from surface

1080
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.119
and face value and say that's the law that already

1081
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.920
is setting you up for failure. Right, nobody's perfect and

1082
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.840
nobody is right. It's all theoretical, everything, all of it right,

1083
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.280
even what I do. I don't ever say no, I'm right.

1084
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.320
I just go I'm good until somebody shows me that

1085
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.800
I'm not. So understand that you are also just good,

1086
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.639
until somebody shows you that you're not You're not perfect,

1087
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.440
and you're not right. So the moment you can accept

1088
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.679
that and embrace it, the better you're going to build.

1089
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.840
And no matter what, you cannot do this alone. You

1090
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.199
have to create a community for yourself. You have to

1091
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.440
create some type of support system with you, and you

1092
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.880
must feed your belief system. If your belief system is weak,

1093
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.519
you're always going to walk in fear. And I see

1094
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.000
this a lot with students where they're like, I want

1095
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.039
to have more experiences, and then when they start having

1096
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.119
them their bottles anthoing everything and spraying with Awa Florida

1097
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.519
and baity and you know, baptism water right or whatever

1098
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.840
it is, to try to get it up, and I'm like, well,

1099
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:21.800
you asked for it, why the helloweens? Yeah? Yo, right,

1100
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.800
so it's really understanding. Be cautious about what you're asking for.

1101
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:30.239
It will come in a way, big, weird way, right,

1102
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:31.800
and then you're going to be like, what the hell

1103
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.400
just happened and just say that happened. Okay, that happened.

1104
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.800
I asked for it. Cool, I don't know what I'm

1105
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:43.960
doing it perfectly fine. So we have really great opportunities

1106
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.360
if you want to learn with us. You know, we

1107
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.800
have free ways to start. We've got the free Wednesday.

1108
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:49.840
We meet every Wednesday, and we have for the last

1109
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.559
six years have met every single Wednesday and allowed people

1110
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.079
from the public to just come in and ask questions. Right.

1111
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.440
People who don't do this practice as a practice. People

1112
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.079
who are just curious and want to listen. They come

1113
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.280
in and they you know, I'll ask, what do you

1114
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.280
guys want to talk about today? You tell me, I'm

1115
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.400
not gonna teach you anything. You're gonna ask me, and

1116
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.360
we're gonna go and we're all gonna learn from each other.

1117
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.280
And it's such a fun, safe environment to be able

1118
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:14.400
to do that. Even if you're just listening. You don't

1119
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.639
have to participate, even though I sometimes will volunt tell

1120
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.760
you right, but you can always just be like, no,

1121
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.880
I'm going to pass right, and that's fine. But it's

1122
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.280
the idea of even just listening to the community and

1123
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.400
listening to their perspective can help quite a bit with

1124
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.159
your development. Yeah, so, And I don't know if there's

1125
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.320
any other places that do that, but I know for

1126
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.719
sure we do so. And it's open.

1127
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:37.000
Where can people find information about these meetups?

1128
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.119
You can definitely go onto our website so that metaphis

1129
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:43.840
will use dot com write the letter dot com and

1130
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.360
right in the front when you see it, you're going

1131
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.119
to see that says click here on a Wednesday night,

1132
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.239
Just click click Wednesday night at eight. That's where we are.

1133
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.920
Thank you so much for being here today. If people

1134
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.360
wanted to follow you online, if they wanted to book

1135
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.519
for a session for this seminar, where can they find you?

1136
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.480
Absolutely you can find us at www dot metaphysical, the

1137
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.719
letter you dot com. You can always find us there.

1138
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.079
You can also find our podcast at MPN Leashed. It's

1139
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:12.639
one of those things that we love to do. We're

1140
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.440
on every every platform that you can find us in

1141
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:18.639
or you can grab me on Instagram both Metaphysical Hugh

1142
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.679
Austin or at Sarah dot ort Reeds. I'm there as well.

1143
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:26.360
So cool. Thank you once again, absolutely so much for

1144
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.639
being here and thank you all for tuning in today.

1145
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.639
Don't forget the seminar September twenty six. You have plenty

1146
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:32.000
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1147
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.360
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1169
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1170
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.119
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1171
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