June 11, 2026

Querétaro's Ministry of Exorcisms

Querétaro's Ministry of Exorcisms
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I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS!!! In this episode Ayden exorcises the story of the Chapel of Blessed Souls in Purgatory in Queretaro—Mexico's Ministry of Exorcisms.

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A girlfriend. It's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way, I

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am still your host and you are still listening to Sousto,

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the podcast of paranormal folklore from Latin America. Welcome back,

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have all this amazing room, so technically we have recorded

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another episode, but that one isn't coming out until I

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think next month, just because of how we scheduled our

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year this year. I know we're very official, We're very

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on top of it.

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going to be very important and really cool updates like

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this one. So welcome Austin Public. Thank you for having us.

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I'm very excited, very proud to be part of the

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producer program here which allows me to produce episodes in

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again this beautiful, beautiful space. I have a monitor I

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that's what's going on. I'm just kind of checking myself out. Anyway,

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let's get things started. In addition to being in this

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really cool space, another fun exciting announcement is it's Pride Month, y'all.

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Happy Pride Month. Listen. I don't think I have ever

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been more mad at the government than I am right now.

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So this year, I'm going certainly going to do this,

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and I encourage you to do this if you're part of

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the community. I'm going to be super gay, super queer,

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super loud, and super proud about it. And I encourage

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you if you are in a space in a place

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where you are able to do that, please do the same.

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I think it's very important to celebrate Pride Month every year,

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but I think especially this year with everything going on,

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so I'm very excited to see what we get up

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to for Pride Month. I've said this before. I am

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fully romanticizing the summer heat as well, so we'll see

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how that goes. But regardless of how I feel about

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being outside, I'm so happy to celebrate Pride Month this year,

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and I hope that you join me in it. Whether

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you are part of the community or an ally, Let's

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do it. Let's do it big this year. Moving on

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some really quick updates is we have the book club.

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We have a new book announced for the month of June.

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We are reading Binata by Leopolo gut or Goo is

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how I've heard people pronounce his name in interviews, so

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I believe I have that right. This is one of

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those books I have had on the pile for a

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very long time, but now with the book club, it's

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keeping me accountable. So I'm very excited to read this one,

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be seated, and let's get into today's episode, which is

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all about Getatoo's Ministry of Extorcisms. The road to Soriano

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winds through the hills of Kerretto, drawing travelers along its

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curves toward one of the region's most visited sanctuaries. Families

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pause along the roadside for photographs, smiling into the light,

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while vendors line the approach, selling candles, rosaries, and other

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devotional curios beneath the bright Mexican sun. At first glance,

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nothing about the destination feels unusual or out of place.

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The Basilica, the Nuestra Signora de Roslrees del Soriano, or

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Basilica of our Lady of Sorrows of s Oriano rises

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from the landscape in pale stone, familiar in form and purpose,

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standing much like countless other Catholic shrines across Central Mexico,

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as a place defined by prayer and veneration. Visitors drift

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across the grounds at an unhurried pace and follow the

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shaded stone walkways that bend between trees and open into wide,

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sunlit spaces. It is the kind of place where people

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come to seek comfort and to feel, if only for

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a moment, that the world has steadied beneath them. There

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is nothing in the movement of the crowd or the

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calm of the surroundings to suggest that anything here might

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disturb that feeling. And yet, just beyond the main flow

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of visitors, past a set of descending steps that lead

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away from the noise and toward something quieter, there stands

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a structure few notice unless they are looking for it.

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It does not announce itself with height or ornament, and

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it does not draw a crowd. Instead, it sits partially

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concealed by the landscape, modest in scale and easy to overlook,

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as though it were never meant to compete with the

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basilica above. It. This is La Capilla de las Benditas

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Animas del Purgatorio, or the Chapel of the Blessed Souls

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in Purgatory. From the outside, it gives no clear indication

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of what lies within, and for many who pass it

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it remains just another small building among many others, in

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a place already filled with them. But the experience changes

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the moment one steps through the doorway, where the brightness

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of the sanctuary gives way to something placid and more contained. Inside,

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the light settles differently. It filters through stained glass with

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colors that seem softened, as though they lose their intensity

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before reaching the floor. The walls are a light blue color,

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stripped of the elaborate ornamentation that defines so many churches

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in the region. There is no overwhelming display of gold

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and no sense of visual abundance. A painting of Jesus

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hangs on one wall. Behind the altar is a painting

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of Purgatory, depicting the blessed souls the chapel is named for. Otherwise,

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the space feels deliberately restrained, as though everything unnecessary has

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been removed to leave only what cannot be ignored. The silence, too,

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feels as though it has accumulated over time, rather than

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simply existing, in the way most chapels feel when mass

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is not happening. Footsteps echo, and even the smallest movements

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seem to carry farther than they should. Visitors lower their

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voices without being told, and many stop speaking entirely, as

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though conversation itself feels inappropriate. It is often here, standing

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in that quiet that people begin to notice something they

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cannot easily explain. Some describe it as a heaviness, others

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as a sensation of being observed, though there is nothing

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visible to confirm it. Skeptics might attribute the feeling to

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expectation or suggestion, but for those who arrive without knowing

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the chapel's purpose, the reaction often comes first, long before

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any explanation is offered. Because this is not merely a

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place for prayer, it is a place where exorcisms are performed.

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The reality takes shape slowly, almost reluctantly, once the history

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of the chapel is understood. In two thousand four, the

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Diocese of Gerretro established a formal ministry of exorcism in

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response to a growing number of requests from individuals who

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believed they were experiencing demonic influence. These cases ranged widely

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from reported oppression to more severe claims of possession. While

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the Church has always maintained that such occurrences are rare,

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the volume of requests suggested that something at the very

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least required attention. The Church responded cautiously, as it always

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has in such matters. Before any exorcism is considered, individuals

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must undergo extensive evaluation by medical and psychological professionals, with

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conditions such as mental illness or trauma or neurological disorders

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carefully ruled out. Most cases are resolved at this stage,

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explained through known and treatable causes, but not all of

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them are, and those that remain become the responsibility of

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clergy trained specifically to address them. By two thousand six,

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donations had begun to fund the construction of a dedicated

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space for this delicate work, one that would be separate

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from the everyday life of the Basilica. Over the next

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several years that vision took shape, and in twenty ten,

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under Bishop Mario de Gasperin, the chapel was opened. Its

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purpose was not symbolic or ceremonial. It was purely practical

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a controlled environment where investigations and rites could take place

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without interruption or influence. The need for such a space,

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according to diocesan figures, had been driven by a significant

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number of reported cases, with estimates suggesting that as many

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as four hundred incidents across Geddetharro alone were brought forward

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in the period leading up.

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To its construction.

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In response, clergy began addressing these cases with increasing frequency,

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sometimes conducting multiple rights within a single week. At times,

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reports suggested as many as twenty interventions, though church officials

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emphasized that not all of these constitute formal exorcisms, with

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many involving prayers of liberation or spiritual counseling. Even so,

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the frequency itself has drawn attention, particularly in a region

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where such fears are not new. In sixteen ninety one,

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Gheddethro experienced what historians have described as a wave of

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reported demonic possession. Colonial records detail accounts of individuals displaying

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behavior that at the time was understood as evidence of

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dear byabolical influence, convulsions, altered speech, violent reactions to sacred objects,

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and knowledge they should not have possessed. These reports spread

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through communities, drawing the attention of religious authorities who struggled

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to determine whether they were witnessing a spiritual phenomenon, a

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cultural response to fear, or something that lay between the two.

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Centuries later, the explanations have evolved, but the underlying concerns

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remained familiar within parts of the community. The increase in

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reported cases is often linked to practices viewed by the

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church as spiritually dangerous, including witchcraft, taro reading, seances, ouigi boards,

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and the veneration of Santa Merte. For those who hold

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strict Catholic beliefs, such practices are not harmless expressions, but

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potential invitations through which some something unwanted may enter. Whether

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the claims of possession are accepted or dismissed, this framework

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shapes the purpose of the chapel and the work performed

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within it. Exorcisms are carried out only after all other

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explanations have been excluded. Even then, they rely on a

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set of signs that are interpreted carefully rather than accepted outright.

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Among them are reports of objects moving without explanation, the

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sudden knowledge of hidden information, an intense aversion to sacred objects,

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or the ability to speak languages never learned. None of

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these on their own are considered proof, but in combination

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they form the basis for further action. Specific cases tied

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directly to the chapel are difficult to verify, in part

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because the church treats exorcisms with strict confidentiality. What emerges

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instead are fragg repeated quietly across the region, rarely acknowledged

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by the church after the fact. In the nearby municipality

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of Cologne, one widely circulated story describes a young woman

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who began claiming she could speak with her deceased grandfather,

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only for her behavior to shift in ways her family

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no longer recognized. According to those familiar with the case,

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the voice she heard changed, becoming something harsher, more insistent,

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issuing commands that no longer resembled anything human. In another instance,

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a group of adolescents experimenting with rituals meant to contact

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the afterlife reported that one of them began exhibiting violent

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and erratic behaviour in the days that followed, prompting her

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family to seek help from a priest.

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None of these accounts have been.

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Formally published or confirmed in detail, but they persist in

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local memory, passed along as warnings rather than proof. They

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are stories that, like the chapel itself, resist easy explanation,

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and so the work continues quietly and without spectacle, within

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walls that return to serenity once it is done. Today,

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the chapel remains open to visitors, who are free to enter,

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take photographs, and observe the space for themselves. Many do,

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arriving out of curiosity or drawn by stories.

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They have heard.

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Most to leave having seen little that cannot be explained,

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and only tell stories of a simple room, a modest altar,

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a place not so different from any other, and yet

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the feeling often lingers. The chapel is frequently empty, at

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least in the sense that no one else is physically present,

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but its stillness does not always feel entirely unoccupied. The

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dice cease does not prohibit visits, but there are quiet

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cautions offered to those who consider themselves spiritually vulnerable, suggesting

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that the space is not one to approach lightly or

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without intention, because within the belief system that shaped it,

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one idea remains difficult to dismiss entirely. Expulsion of a

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demonic entity is not the same as disappearance, and that

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what is forced out must in some sense go somewhere.

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There is no official record to confirm that anything remains,

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and no evidence that anything follows those who leave. The

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church does not teach that possession passes from person to

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person in this way, and yet at the edges of belief,

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the question persists, carried forward not by doctrine but by story.

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By the time visitors step back into the sunlight, the

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sounds of the basilika return all at once, with voices, footsteps,

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and the distant calls of the vendors. The world feels solid, again,

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grounded and familiar. But for some there is a pause

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at the doorway, a brief hesitation that is difficult to

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explain and easier to ignore.

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Nothing visible leaves.

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With them nothing they can name or prove, only the awareness, however,

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faint that in a place built to cast things out,

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not everything can be accounted for. Something unseen seems to

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prod at the back of their minds, as if there

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is a new intrusive thought that cannot be ignored, and

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that the chapel, for all its openness, never feels entirely empty.

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Welcome back, gold friends, Thank you so much for listening

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to today's story. We are going to go ahead and

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jump into our sources really quick though before how do

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in the intro, So how did we feel about that

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uninterrupted eye contact?

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Was it good?

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Did it add to the story? Did you hate it?

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Let me know And I will also, of course be

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posting clips of this on social media to promote the episode.

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Don't have access to the full video versions, then maybe

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you'll see clips of this online. The first source that

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we have here, this is from an EWTN news, which

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I believe stands for yes. It says it here Eternal

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World Television Network. This is in fact a Catholic news

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source and they posted and again it's ewtnews dot com.

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And this is an urt that was published in two

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thousand and four and it's titled Exorcism Ministry Established to

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deal with demonic Possession in Mexico. It says, in the

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face of increasing numbers of demonic possessions, the Diocese of Kerretto,

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Mexico has created an exorcism ministry headed up by Father

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Savador Espinosa, Medina, Vicar General of the diocese. This continues.

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According to a spokesman, the ministry was created as a

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result of the increase. Again this is a quote, the

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increase of phenomenon related to victims of spells, possessions, obsessions

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and depressions. Which that's a bar right there. We need

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to get a musician, a rapper and artist, somebody to

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sing about spells, possessions, obsessions, oppressions. Maybe not oppressions, we

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don't like that one. That one's not as fun. But

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a demonic oppression is what it's talking about. Who knew

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The Catholic Church loved it? Alliteration right, this says Bishop

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Madio de Gasperin of Kherretro issued a letter instructing priests

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to immediately report suspected cases of demonic possession to the ministry.

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He also requested that pastors who suspect demonic activity in

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a particular event listening to the persons that are affected

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before sending them to the exorcists, so that they can

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get to know and collaborate in their spiritual care. Which

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this makes sense because as was mentioned in the story,

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and I feel like we've talked about possession on this

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show before is the Catholic Church is very very particular

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when it comes to exorcisms, to official exorcisms, they will

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not take on any case. There's a protocol that they

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follow before they decide all right, the Catholic Church will

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officially take on this case. As was mentioned in the story,

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that often includes speaking with medical professionals, with psychological professionals,

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which I think is great and I've mentioned that before too.

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Whenever we've talked about like.

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Gunanda dismo and Echi sadiya is you always want to

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approach whatever sort of ailment, whether it be sustol or

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some other spiritual kind of thing going on, those things

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often manifest physically, and so you want to address those

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physical manifestations as well, if not first to rule out, okay,

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there is not something physically happening that needs to be

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taken care of before we can issue a spiritual treatment,

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or it maybe needs to happen in conjunction with whatever

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medication or other treatment might be right a holistic approach. Anyway,

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this wraps up here in the last five years, So

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this again was published in two thousand and four, So

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in from like two thousand to two thousand and four,

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the Diocese of Gedetaro has registered more than four hundred

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cases of diabolic possession. Most of these I don't really

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know what I agree with this, but this is what

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they're attributing them to. They say most of these were

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the results of experimentation with activities such as sorcery, tarot cards,

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and wigi boards. All right, we're gonna pause there. Well,

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that's the end of the source. But it's good that

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it ends up so we can have this conversation. We

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also included this in the story. However, I think we

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have had this conversation many times before, just because someone

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uses or experiments with divination tools. And of course we

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know in the Catholic Church divination is a big nona,

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which is hilarious to me because the out the church

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is full of witchcraft that allegedly, if you do any

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of those that opens the door to possession. I'm not

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going to say it is without it's I don't even

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want to use the word dangers because there is danger

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in everything, not to like be an alarmist or freak

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you out, but personally I believe there is danger in

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so many things. There is danger in me being in

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this place right now. A light please, Okay, there's no

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lights above me, but a light. If I was under one,

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a light could follow me. That's dangerous. But we take precautions, right,

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We do checks of the space, We make sure that

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everything is in place. Same thing with this, and we've

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talked about this before. I think we've spoken about this

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in the episode for sure with Alexis and Eric from

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Cidy Alchemist, that there are so many misconceptions about using

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these things. And as someone who was also very hesitant

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to even touch Auiji board until recent years, I was

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also like, well, I don't know. I don't want to like,

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you know, accidentally invite something. And while again, yes, like

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that can be the case. There is danger in many things,

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but if you approach these practices with one respect and

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to preparation, you're fine. You should be fine. It's like,

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I don't know, I don't know how like I don't

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want to harp on this too much, I'd but you

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all know how I feel.

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I would imagine that you feel the same.

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Because I'm sure the people that feel this way that

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are like no, you cannot touch tarot cards or Wiji

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boards would probably feel that way about like no, you

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cannot listen to spooky podcasts because you're inviting the devil.

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I'm already here, but you know what I mean, Like

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it's like fear mongering. It's propaganda essentially, is what it

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feels like to me. That's my personal opinion. There's danger

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in many things, but you have to prepare. You have

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to approach with like your head on straight, if that

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makes sense.

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Straight.

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Not during Pride month anyway. This next source, this is

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from BBC and this is titled it's BBC News One

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Minute World News. Exorcism chapel opened in Mexico. This was

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published by It's oh. It says it was last updated

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in twenty ten.

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This says.

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This is by a Cecilia Bodiam for BBC News Mexico City.

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And this says a Mexican church in the central city

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of Gretaro has opened a chapel in which exorcisms can

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take place. So really quick before we get into this source.

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That way we can get some visuals up in everything.

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There will be pictures here in the video.

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But this is a real place. It is a real chapel,

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and it is a chapel that is outside of a

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vasilica on the same property. To be honest, I was like,

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I had to look up because I was like, even

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though I was raised in the church, I was like

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really not into it, so hardly paid attention in there.

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But I was like, what is the real difference which

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I kind of assumed based off of context clues, right,

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what is the real difference between a basilika, a church,

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a chapel. So a chapel is it's this much smaller place.

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It's more intimate. It is for worship, you know, it's.

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Part of the church.

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But a basilica is like something grand. It's like you know,

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the it's like the mansion of the churches. If that

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makes sense, Yes, this is what we're talking about. It

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is it's an individual it's a small chapel outside of

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basilica as mentioned in the story. So just to make

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those differences, because I also really wasn't clear on that.

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But this says there are no accurate figures for the

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number of exorcisms in Mexico. Again, there was estimated though

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in those early two thousand years, that there was about

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four hundred cases, but the Roman Catholic Church says that

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in Mexico City alone there are about ten cases a month,

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and the phenomenon is on the rise. Critics say that

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priests often mistake mental illness or epilepsy for signs of possession,

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which I believe in the episode that we did about

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Estephania gutieris Lasso, was it her yes, in the Vayeka's

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case which the movie Vedonica Netflix is based off of

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her case, is they were in her final days, she

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was experiencing where her family was describing as seizures and

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that she was often in I think the word was

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cataleptic states. So she was suffering some sort of at

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the very least some sort of neurological illness, if not

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also a mental illness, because those are different things, right.

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But again this says that critics say that priests mistake

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those things, that they conflate them for signs of possession,

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and that the new church, this new chapel will only

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treat peace people already seen by doctors. So again there

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is that implementation. Because this isn't to say that these

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ten cases a week or these four hundred cases in

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those five years were the only ones to happen. Those

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may have been the only ones reported, and then from

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all of those, they're not all of those were taken

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on by the church as official exorcisms or official possessions,

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and they were given official exorcisms. Those are just they

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were reported and then maybe they were filtered out, like actually, no,

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it's this or that going on. Right In this section

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of this article called old traditions, they write, belief in

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possession and exorcism is common in a country where more

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than ninety percent of the population is Catholic, which I

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am constantly saying this Catholicism is inherently spooky. I literally

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just said it a couple of minutes ago. It's full

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of witchcraft. It is witchcraft. Sorry, Catholics, don't be mad

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at me, or if you are, drop a comment in,

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you know, engage with the show.

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00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:52.599
Let me know how mad you are.

474
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.079
And this says Nevertheless, Mexico now has a church where

475
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.839
exorcisms can be performed, La Caapilla, the Las Bendvita's animas,

476
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.960
the Purgatorio, or the Chapel of the what was it,

477
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.599
the Saved Souls. I can't even translate it right now.

478
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.680
The Chapel of the Blessed Souls in purgatory exorcism predates

479
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.039
the arrival of the Spanish in the sixteenth century. This

480
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.960
says exorcism predates. But I'm going to say that they

481
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.480
are probably using the word exorcism as a sort of

482
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.759
catch hall. There was maybe something that Indigenous people we're doing,

483
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.440
we're practicing that was maybe similar as some sort of

484
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.759
like spiritual cleansing, because we know that those practices also existed.

485
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.279
But they're saying exorcism. It probably was not outright exorcisms

486
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.680
or possession, but maybe something similar. You know this, it

487
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.680
was parallel to that, and so that's what they're calling it.

488
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.000
Just clarifying there, This says Aztec healers burned herbs and

489
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.640
prayed to eliminate the influence of bad spirits.

490
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:49.039
There you go.

491
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.519
Nowadays, the Roman Catholic Church follows the guidelines contained in

492
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.880
a book published by the Vatican, again very strict protocols.

493
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.079
Signs of possession could be, for example, speaking in a

494
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.000
foreign language that the person does not know, or being

495
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.240
familiar with events that happened in a far away places

496
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.319
or in other times. Listen, Jeff and I are saving

497
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:09.119
up to go on a trip right now, and if

498
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.799
all I had to do was get possessed to learn.

499
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.880
A language, I might be willing to cut a deal.

500
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.160
You know.

501
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.880
I just know Jeff is fuming in the control room

502
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.920
right now, shaking his head. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm

503
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.759
not gonna give up my soul for a language. I'll

504
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.240
just keep learning online. This continues. In a common exorcism,

505
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.759
a priest performs a ceremony that includes sprinkling holy water

506
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.279
over the possessed person and reciting prayers ordering the devil

507
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:34.400
to depart, begone.

508
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:34.759
Devil.

509
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.519
Critics argue that priests commonly mistake mental illness such as

510
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.200
schizophrenia or epilepsy, and think instead they are confronting a

511
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:46.519
demonic possession. But one priest, Roheliocano, told the BBC that

512
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.400
the New Church will only accept cases that have been

513
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.640
already treated by doctors and psychiatrists, which I think should

514
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.119
be I thought it was the basis that was like

515
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.799
the official Catholic Church's stance, like that that's always in it. Again,

516
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.480
I'm assuming that there are many instances where people who

517
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.839
are either officially part of the church or not will

518
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.160
will take on a case. And also I don't I

519
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.599
personally don't think someone has to be officially part of

520
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.720
the church to conduct what some may describe as an exorcism.

521
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.400
I think spiritual healing looks like many different things. It

522
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.880
comes in many different forms.

523
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.920
So yeah, what we know.

524
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.359
I think as like exorcisms, as like mainstream the movies

525
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.279
exorcisms and possessions is it's usually from the Catholic Church, right,

526
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.880
But again I think we know more here in the

527
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.880
sustal household that we know that. You know, spiritual healing

528
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.680
again and cleansing comes in many different forms from many

529
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.519
different practices. With that, we are going to go ahead

530
00:31:45.559 --> 00:32:01.640
and take a quick break. Welcome back, girl friends. So

531
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.480
our next source is from a tv astheca gheretro and

532
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.720
this one essentially it feels like an exorcism one oh one,

533
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.200
you know, like a give not how to perform one,

534
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.759
but it breaks down what an exorcism is, which I

535
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.119
know that we've covered in other episodes, but let's let's

536
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.599
revisit it, let's refresh our knowledge. But this is titled

537
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.079
again tvsk go Gretto. It's titled where is the chapel

538
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:29.119
in Gherethule where exorcisms are performed? Side note, I really

539
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.279
like saying the word get at that ale. It just

540
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.079
rolls off the tongue. Get at that all very nicely.

541
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.920
Let's continue gett that all, in addition to being a

542
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.039
state rich in history and culture, is also recognized for

543
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.480
housing the only place in Mexico where exorcisms are performed. Again,

544
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.720
like I mentioned, spiritual healing, spiritual cleansings, spiritual work, it

545
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:52.079
exists in many different forms. I am sure that this

546
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.480
one chapel or this one state is the only place

547
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.920
throughout all of Mexico where exorcisms are happening. I don't

548
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.440
by that, but this is I guess, their official stance

549
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.759
on that. And this says when we hear the words

550
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.799
exorcism or exorcists, we might immediately think of the movie

551
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.559
The Exorcist. Like I said, that mainstream kind of work,

552
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.519
released in nineteen seventy three. However, perhaps our understanding of

553
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.799
everything involved in an exorcism is biased by what Hollywood

554
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.200
portrays in its films, which I'm sure it is.

555
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:21.599
Also.

556
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.880
I don't know why it took me so long, but

557
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.319
like maybe like a year or two ago, I don't know,

558
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.359
Jeff and I went to go watch one of the

559
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.480
latest exorcist movies, and maybe it's just because in this

560
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.240
movie it felt so apparent, but it finally clicked in

561
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.680
my head, I was like, Oh, all of these exorcism movies,

562
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.319
all of these possession movies, they're just they're Catholic propaganda.

563
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.400
That's all it is. Which thinking of it.

564
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.480
Now, I'm like, yeah, no, shit, idiot.

565
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.039
But I don't know why.

566
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.680
I know I shouldn't talk to myself that way, but

567
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.440
I don't know why it took me so long to like,

568
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:53.640
what's not clicking?

569
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:54.519
I don't I don't know.

570
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.839
And but again, that movie it was just I think

571
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:58.480
it was done with the twins or not the twins,

572
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.960
the best friends, the earlies, and it was like dual possession.

573
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.599
But after watching that one, I thought, wow, yeah, no,

574
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.159
really it was. It was just so apparent in that one. Anyway,

575
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.679
sorry for that sharp left turn. This continues and it

576
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.360
says what are exorcisms?

577
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.119
Great question?

578
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.480
According to the Catholic Church, and exorcism is a specific

579
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.719
prayer used by the Church against the power of a demon.

580
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.280
These prayers are used for protection against demons or to

581
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.440
free people who are possessed by one. In the latter case,

582
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.239
the Church publicly and authoritatively asks in the name of

583
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.119
Jesus for the protection and liberation of that person. Also,

584
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.840
speaking of this, word liberation. There was something mentioned earlier

585
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.000
in the story, and I think it appears in the

586
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.800
sources a few times, the phrase prayers of liberation.

587
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:45.719
So prayers of liberation.

588
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:51.000
Are not necessarily for possessions or part of exorcisms. They

589
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.079
are more for when somebody is who is part of

590
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.960
the church is dealing with something. Well, maybe it's like

591
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.679
they're dealing with substance abuse.

592
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.320
Let's say that's usually a big one. Is they will

593
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.280
people will do.

594
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.599
Prayers of liberation to liberate them from whatever is ailing them.

595
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:08.239
So that is and I had to look that up

596
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.039
to that is what a prayer of liberation is. It's

597
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.159
an official thing. Apparently I'm not part of the church.

598
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:13.719
I could be wrong.

599
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.599
This says, what are exorcists? Great question.

600
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:17.639
An exorcist is.

601
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.639
A person trained to perform these types of prayers. The

602
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.559
only people who can carry out major exorcisms are a

603
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.880
bishop or a priest who has obtained special and express

604
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.119
permission from the diocesan bishop. It's all about it has

605
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:31.840
to be official. You have to get the right permissions

606
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.800
for it to be an official Catholic exorcism. And this

607
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.719
ritual cannot be performed by just anyone Therefore, the public

608
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.119
is always urged not to take it lightly and to

609
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:45.760
treat it with due seriousness. Obviously, next question, what is

610
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.719
the process of an exorcism? Like fabulous question? Before performing

611
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.559
this ritual, the case must meet certain criteria to be

612
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.519
classified as such. Therefore, a preliminary investigation must be conducted.

613
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.880
This investigation involves ruling out any no natural causes that

614
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.440
might be affecting the person. If no natural cause can

615
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.000
be found to affect the person, an investigation is conducted

616
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.000
into the types of practices the person has engaged in

617
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.880
that could be considered the cause of the possession. So

618
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.679
I think this is where they start asking have you

619
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.880
ever played with Luigi board? Do you get your tarot

620
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.679
cards read? Why is this your fault? Essentially, if solid

621
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.000
evidence is found that it is indeed demonic possession, the

622
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.199
exorcism process begins. According to the testimonies of some priests,

623
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.800
the ritual begins with the blessing of holy water, followed

624
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.719
by the recitation of the Litany of the Saints. Next

625
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.119
comes the reading of the Word of God, followed by

626
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.159
the laying on of hands. Then comes the profession of faith,

627
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.159
a prayer to the Father and finally, a recitation that

628
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.039
allows the person to be freed from all evil. I

629
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.760
like this part, this says. The priests also shared that

630
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.920
the duration of exorcisms ranges from twenty to thirty minutes,

631
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:54.800
depending on the case.

632
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.440
I don't know why. To me, that's like, hey, what

633
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.960
are you doing later? Doanagother movies?

634
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:58.239
Ah?

635
00:36:58.280 --> 00:36:58.639
You know what?

636
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.719
Time? Because I got to form an exorcism, so it

637
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.840
is sable like thirty minutes. I can go to movies

638
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.440
at like six, maybe not before then. My exorcism should

639
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.000
be done by then. Obviously that's not how that conversation goes,

640
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.119
but sounds funny in my head. This wraps up here

641
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.199
the Chapel of the Holy Souls in Purgatory in Kharettatro,

642
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.800
and this says again, which is the chapel that we've

643
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.000
been talking about, They write here. Located in the municipality

644
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.280
of Cologne in Gharetarro, the Chapel of the Blessed Souls

645
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.599
in Purgatory is the only place in Mexico where exorcisms

646
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.760
and deliverances are performed. It is said that more than

647
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.960
forty extorcisms have taken place there, and this was founded

648
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.639
in twenty ten. I think is when they started. When

649
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.559
they opened its doors officially to not the public, well yeah,

650
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.440
to the public, but also for its services.

651
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:41.159
This was oh wow.

652
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.119
This was published in twenty twenty four, so not that

653
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.639
long ago. But since opening in twenty ten to twenty

654
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.119
twenty fours of fourteen years, there were forty exorcisms they

655
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:51.800
performed there.

656
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:52.679
They continue.

657
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.719
It was founded again by Father Mario. They got spedding

658
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.719
in twenty ten. However, he had founded the Ministry of

659
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.519
Exorcism in two thousand four, so the Ministry as an

660
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.039
entity existed in two thousand and four. The chapel was

661
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.760
officially opened in twenty ten. This says again due to

662
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.800
the high demand for these rights in the region, donations

663
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.159
began to be made in two thousand and six for

664
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.519
the construction of this facility and it was finally opened

665
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.440
in twenty ten. It's a pretty good quick turnaround, like

666
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:20.079
six years.

667
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:20.519
This says.

668
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.519
The chapel is open to the public at any time.

669
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.840
Those who are skeptical or easily influenced are advised not

670
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.519
to visit the chapel, and if they do, they are

671
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.199
advised to exercise caution at all times. Visitors are welcome

672
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:35.239
to take photographs and videos. I I'm not gonna lie.

673
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:36.880
I would be down to visit, but I would be

674
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.079
wearing all the protections. I would go into the basilika first,

675
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.400
douse myself in holy water, and then be like, all right,

676
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.679
let's go. Because as was mentioned in the story, and

677
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.760
I'm not sure what the actual belief is, let's check

678
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:52.880
that really quick. Let's say, does an X or no capslock?

679
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:58.119
Does an X or sism kill the demon? Let's see.

680
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.119
I want to try and find Okay, exchange, let's see

681
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.159
an exorcist on what happens during an exorcism? I want

682
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.119
to know does it kill the demon? Here you go

683
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.360
in the last paragraph of this source. This is Catholic

684
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.480
exchange dot com. The final question is difficult to answer.

685
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.559
Where does the spirit of evil go once it leaves

686
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:16.119
the person?

687
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.519
It is not known.

688
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.239
I command him in the name of Jesus to return

689
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.000
to the eternal inferno or to go under the cross

690
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.159
of Jesus, who is the only one who can order

691
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.719
him where to go. So it's open for interpretation, is

692
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.719
what it seems like. And that is really scary to me.

693
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.119
And I can see why people would be apprehensive to

694
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.960
go to this place where in the span of fourteen years,

695
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.840
forty exorcisms were carried out. Assuming that all of those

696
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.440
were successful, where does the demon go? Where does the

697
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.159
evil entity or energy go after the exorcism is performed.

698
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.760
Does it hang around there just waiting for someone to

699
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.960
walk in and say, there's my next target?

700
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:54.400
I don't know. Okay.

701
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.039
This next source, this one I thought was interesting because

702
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.079
it mentions something about the style of the chapel, I think.

703
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.360
And this is from Luni Versal Gerro dot MX and

704
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.559
it's titled the Chapel of Souls, the site dedicated to

705
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.079
exorcism in Gherretro and the subheading it says itself is

706
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.920
it is an otto me temple with rituals in Latin.

707
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.320
It is located in the municipality of Colon and so

708
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.000
I was very curious what this means. And there's photos

709
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.159
of the chapel, the inside of the chapel here, which

710
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.000
we'll throw up on the video. And it says here

711
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.800
its style is ancient Ottomi because of its roots in

712
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.719
the middle of a canyon, like the chapels of souls

713
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.320
in this region, explains Father Pinna A Dinandez. So I

714
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.920
was looking this up and I couldn't find an official source,

715
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.840
but from what I did see is that in the

716
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.480
area in Gherretro that it is on, that is I'm

717
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.199
assuming it's oto Mi land, it's the indigenous Ottomi people,

718
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.599
and so it was constructed either by Ottomi people, like

719
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.599
in collaboration with them, because they also use this chapel,

720
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.599
or or maybe purely in.

721
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:03.840
The style, like the esthetic style of it.

722
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:06.840
Again, I couldn't find an official source that gave me

723
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.480
like a concrete answer. I'm just piecing things right now

724
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.079
together from what I found online. So I thought that's

725
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.880
why this was interesting, because it mentions that, and then

726
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.360
of course it talks about all the stuff that we've

727
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.360
been talking about here, like when it was founded. It

728
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.079
does say that this like it mentions how it's open

729
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.119
to the public. But I thought this was also interesting.

730
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.119
In this source it says to get there, you have

731
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.679
to answer through the back of the vasilica, go through

732
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.320
several corridors, go down some stairs, and cross a large garden.

733
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.280
So it's it's open to the public, but it's not.

734
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.519
It seems like it is not just right in the

735
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:37.960
smack in the dav of the center. You know, it's

736
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.079
not just like available and open and like, hey, everybody,

737
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:41.559
it's right here.

738
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.079
Like they're not.

739
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.039
Advertising the space, if that makes sense.

740
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:44.880
It's kind of.

741
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.320
A trek to find it on the grounds. You have

742
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.679
to go like knowing what you're searching for. It's not

743
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.519
you just go to the basilica and you see this

744
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.760
chapel and hey, let's go see that. No, you have

745
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.880
to know what you're looking for to find it. Essentially,

746
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.559
this describes the inside. It says the chapel appears simple

747
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.760
Sian glass windows depict purgatory, where souls atoning for their

748
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.880
sins prepared to ascend to heaven. An image of Jesus

749
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.079
stands to one side, with an ultra devoid of other images,

750
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.159
bearing only a small cross, pews for about ten people,

751
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.760
and two figures of the archangels Gabriel and Raphael at

752
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.239
the back of the chapel. Outside the venue, a large

753
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.239
open space with tall trees whose branches creak when moved

754
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.079
by the wind completes the setting. So it seems like

755
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.440
a kind of an eerie place. And this has a

756
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.119
couple quotes that stood out to me as well. This

757
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.039
says the priest explains that the process involves interviewing the

758
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:35.800
person undergoing the ritual, examining them with a psychologist, and

759
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.159
observing a manifestation such as levitating objects, moving furniture, speaking

760
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.840
in debt or ancient languages, or exhibiting an aversion to

761
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.280
the sacred or rejecting any sacred object without being aware

762
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.840
of it. Once these conditions are met, the exorcism can

763
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.519
be performed.

764
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:50.039
Quote.

765
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.599
It is a ritual performed in Latin, that is the

766
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.559
ancient rite. There are others adapted to the episcopal conferences,

767
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.800
and they are already in Spanish. Here in the chapel

768
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.280
was built for the ancient right, the complete right, which

769
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.239
has a whole structure. From the moment the person is received,

770
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.079
the profession of the creed, the renewal of baptismal promises,

771
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.079
the reading of the Gospel, and some psalms. And again

772
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.840
I believe that was from a quote from Father Bignette Nandez.

773
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.880
Another quote here says again I'm assuming from him. Then

774
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.039
comes suplicatory prayers, then imperative prayers, and the process continues.

775
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.039
The exorcist is accompanied by a team that helps him

776
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:29.320
to ensure that the possessed person does not cause physical harm.

777
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.719
There is usually a nurse or a doctor. There are

778
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.960
some other people who help pray and others who help discern.

779
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.320
Again more of the stay away from these things. This

780
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.119
wraps up, and it says to avoid falling into this trap,

781
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.119
the priest recommends not being influenced by suggestion quote, not

782
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.639
invoking or going to places where there is a witchcraft

783
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.840
so not here, not playing with objects like the Luigi board, oops,

784
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:56.239
not entering dark places. And the third and best thing

785
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.760
is to seek closeness with God and the sacraments. It

786
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.800
is the best protection of all being close to God.

787
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.159
This gives me, and of course it's the Catholic Church,

788
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.280
so that is very much their stance. It gives me

789
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.280
like abstinence only. Abstinence is the only answer. It is

790
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.920
the only way to prevent STIs, which sure, but how

791
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.280
realistic is that? And I don't know it just it

792
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.440
just reminded me of that in like schools and of

793
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.480
course in Texas, where it's like just don't do it

794
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.159
at all and that's it and that's the end and

795
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.079
there's no other options. But it's like, well, there should

796
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.679
be other options, because what if people do get involved

797
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.519
with these things, like they should know, like we mentioned

798
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.119
earlier use protection like rosary beads or something.

799
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:38.519
I don't know.

800
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.679
With that, we are going to take one more break.

801
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.800
Welcome back, girl Friends. Our next source here is from

802
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.159
j Store, and this is an article I believe. Yes,

803
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.840
it's a journal article from the Journal of American Folklore,

804
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.639
which apparently is it's like an association. There is the

805
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.920
National the American Folklore Society, and I want to join,

806
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.079
so hi, y'all, if you're listening, I will be putting

807
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:18.760
in my application to join.

808
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.639
But this is from an article from there.

809
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.920
It says that it's by Henry Charles Lea, and I

810
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.119
believe the dates that I'm seeing here are January through

811
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.679
March eighteen ninety, so I'm assuming that's when this was

812
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:35.000
published eighteen ninety. I don't know, but this is titled

813
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.679
The End dem on Yadas of Gheretro, and the word

814
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:42.760
end de Monyada it means possessed, So the possessed ones

815
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.000
the end de Monyadas of Khretro. This is a six

816
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.440
page pdf, a six page article, and I read through

817
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.880
it and I took some notes. I know, listen, we

818
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.639
came really prepared for this episode. Sorry, I'm always like, oh,

819
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:57.159
this is a bunch of pages, so if you want

820
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:57.920
to read it, go for it.

821
00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.039
No, I actually took the time.

822
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.360
I think you definitely should read this, but some of

823
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.800
the notes that I took, so in this six page

824
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:07.719
article they write about the endem on Yavas of Kedetha,

825
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.000
or the possessed one. So there was there were several

826
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.320
cases of possession in the sixteen hundreds in Godethole.

827
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.559
However, what they.

828
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.719
Ended up finding out is that many of these cases

829
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:20.239
of possession they were fake.

830
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:21.159
They were feigned.

831
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:25.199
A woman had admitted to faking it to one of

832
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.960
the priests because there were two priests that were essentially

833
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.440
like in competition to exercise her to see who could

834
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.320
accomplish it. But it went on so long and she

835
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.360
had to carry on the act for so long that

836
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.639
she was like, you know what, Sorry, I was faking it.

837
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.159
I'm tired. Which girl, if you wanted attention, just say that. So, yeah,

838
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.920
there's cases like that where people claimed to be possessed

839
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.719
or to be suffering a demonic oppression. And then when

840
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.960
they decided in the sixteen hundreds, I'm sure this was

841
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.159
before they were like no, it could be mental health.

842
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.440
They were immediately like yes, it's possession. Let's exercise you,

843
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.719
let's save your soul. Then it turned into a big

844
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.400
show and these people had to be like, oh, second thought.

845
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.199
I'm actually tired. Never mind.

846
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:13.239
After this case where this woman admitted to faking the possession,

847
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.199
the church wanted to avoid because obviously it would be

848
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.559
a scandal like these priests were one they were duped,

849
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.000
and two I'm assuming that they believed the church believed

850
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.320
it would lessen their credibility. That'd be like, oh, well,

851
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.320
so then it is any of this real right, and

852
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.679
of course the church cannot have that. So to avoid

853
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.519
scandal and to avoid involving the inquisition at the time,

854
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.760
they cured her privately because essentially it was made into

855
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.719
a show like they were doing this publicly at the church,

856
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.079
and once she admitted, they were like, okay, well, number one,

857
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.880
we will make it so that you were not in trouble,

858
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.360
but you have to say that we cured you. Essentially

859
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.599
that they cured her in private. So that's how they

860
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.239
avoided all of that right quit pro quo. Later in

861
00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:00.000
the article, they talk about how alleged possessed people would

862
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.679
claimed to see the sorceresses or the witches who sent

863
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.039
the demons to possess them. So they would say that

864
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.119
they had a vision in a dream or something and

865
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.119
that they would see, oh my god, this is the

866
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.840
person and they're a witch. And this person who's a witch,

867
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.360
sent a demon to possess me, to harm me and

868
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.880
these people. Again, the inquisition was happening at this time.

869
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.039
The Inquisition would arrest these people that were accused of

870
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.960
being It was very Salem witch trials, like oh no,

871
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.519
like this person sent a demon to possess me, boom arrested, Hello,

872
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.719
which is wild this listen, I'm saying you should read

873
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.119
this article at six pages full of drama. They talk

874
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.920
about the treatment as well. So, like we mentioned earlier,

875
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.639
in that one case, this woman was cured. She was

876
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.559
treated and cured, but she was cured privately, although they

877
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.679
were making a spectacle of it at first, suddenly cured

878
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.440
in private, right, But this says in some cases, I

879
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.000
thought this was very interesting that quote Indian wise women.

880
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:55.840
But we would maybe assume.

881
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.760
Our shamans or spiritual healers of some sort from the

882
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.639
indigenous people were called in to help by performing what

883
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.599
are called inunctions and an inunction I n u n

884
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.599
ct io ns inunction is the act of applying oil

885
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:13.400
or ointment with herbs so they would get essentially I'm

886
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.920
going to call it a vadiva like a rub down.

887
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.039
You'll see, we've talked about before that people do vadivas

888
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.239
with the wevels, with the eggs. They do, you know,

889
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.880
to get a diagnosis of maybe what's happening, to treat

890
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.840
like a low grade sousto. There are and again there

891
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:30.079
are many other practices to do spiritual healing, but an

892
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.519
inunction was something that they were doing at that time,

893
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.320
and people probably still do now. But it's interesting that

894
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:39.840
the Church was calling in people that they had oppressed

895
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.360
to use their practices when it was convenient for them, right,

896
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.960
Which is very annoying on its own, but still very

897
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.920
interesting that the Church still recognized, like, maybe we should

898
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.360
bring these people into help, any backup helps right. Also

899
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.719
called in were a group of people of men known

900
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.800
as the badhis Apostolikos or the Appolistic Fathers. I believe

901
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.880
I have a hyperlink here, but essentially this is from

902
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.320
Newadventu dot org from the Catholic Encyclopedia. This says that

903
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:11.199
the Apolistic Fathers were Christian writers of the first and

904
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.519
second centuries who are known or are considered to have

905
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.519
had personal relations with some of the Apostles, with some

906
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.039
of Jesus's Twelve Apostles, or to have been so influenced

907
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.559
by them that their writings may be held as echoes

908
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.039
of genuine apolistic readings. Am I saying that right? Apple,

909
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:32.559
I'm saying apolistic apostolic? Apostolic? Sorry, like the apostles apostolic?

910
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.760
There you go, just in your minds rewire what I

911
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.559
said there. But yeah, these badhis Apostolicos, that they had

912
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:43.119
a connection to the original Apostles, and so that they

913
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.800
have this group now or at the time they had

914
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.760
a group, so they were also called into help. And

915
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.440
when this happened with the badhis Apostolicos, gosh, it's hard

916
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.679
to say for me, but when this happened with them,

917
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.280
apparently it was very publicly performed, and that even the

918
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:04.079
community was encouraged to participate and quote stimulate religious exaltation.

919
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.719
So they had in the article they described that as

920
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:11.920
women walking in circles barefoot, and they had the men.

921
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:13.519
I don't know, the men were doing something else. They

922
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.679
think they were like shouting or something. Again, to stimulate

923
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.719
religious exaltation. Which witchcraft. It's you all are doing witchcraft

924
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:26.480
in the church. You're forming circles to summon the spirit

925
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:27.800
of Jesus.

926
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.320
To help with that's witchcraft. Anyway.

927
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.559
When this happened in this in the case where the

928
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.760
batherities were called in and the group where the whole

929
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:40.840
church was participating, fourteen attendees were allegedly also possessed in

930
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.280
the process. So while they were trying to exercise the

931
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:48.159
people were that needed it, allegedly fourteen other people in

932
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.480
the process were also possessed by different entities. Two of them,

933
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.760
a man and a boy, were killed while receiving their

934
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.920
own treatment. This is a quote from the article. It

935
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.280
says an old man and a boy who were subjected

936
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.880
to such active treatment of few negations of sulfur and

937
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.280
incense by the friars that they died, each declaring with

938
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.440
his last breath that he was not possessed. This is

939
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.000
the kicker, which was explained to be merely an astute

940
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.599
trick of the demons to create infidel unbelief. So these

941
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.320
men were being suffocated with smoked with smoke, sulfur and incense,

942
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.440
and as they were like Okay, no, I'm not possessed, which,

943
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.440
as we know now, people often faked it. But when

944
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.800
the church was like, all right, smoke them out, and

945
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.880
they were like, oh, actually no, never mind, I'm not possessed.

946
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.920
When I possessed, they were like, that's the demon lying

947
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.639
mods ban him. We don't do that here. What Like,

948
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:39.880
they killed people in this process. And I think now

949
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.880
that is why there are such rigid guidelines for possession,

950
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.320
because there's a very deep, dark history of people being

951
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:50.960
harmed by the church in alleged exorcisms or exorcisms for

952
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.400
alleged possessions. But anyway, I also have in my notes

953
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.960
here that various religious orders turned against each other in

954
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.519
some sort of competitive vibe. So as mentioned earlier, with

955
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.400
that one case where there were two priests like publicly

956
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.280
trying to exercise this woman, with these other cases, there

957
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.440
were several religious orders, which I believe it was the

958
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.159
I could have this wrong. I believe in the article

959
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:14.800
that said there were Christians, Carmelites, and Jesuits, I think

960
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.559
those are different things. I'm not a religious expert. I

961
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.559
should have written that in my note too, that apparently

962
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.079
those religious orders or sects they were in this like

963
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.400
weird competition to exercise this group of people, and that

964
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.119
eventually they called it off. So this continues that it

965
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.280
was called off because a junta that gottifikada what is

966
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.039
was called a junta de gottifikada. It is is a

967
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.880
board of censors or a board of qualifiers. So essentially

968
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.360
it's like the review board. Think of like the Osha

969
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.719
of the Catholic Church. You know, they are the people

970
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.320
that go into review. What is happening is everything like

971
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:50.199
above board? Are we all doing it right? And I

972
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.079
have a definitition here that says it was an advisory

973
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:57.320
panel of theologians and canon lawyers used by the Holy Inquisition.

974
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.719
Their primary purpose was to read, evaluate, and interpret the

975
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.960
orthodoxy of texts, sermons, and the actions of individuals suspected

976
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.719
of heresy. So once these people came in, because I

977
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.559
believe it was those three religious sects they called in

978
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:16.000
the Inquisition to be like, hey, step in these the Carmelites.

979
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:17.519
We're doing this right.

980
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:17.960
But they're not.

981
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.159
Like they tried to snitch on each other again, this

982
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:24.480
article full of drama. They the Inquisition stepped in and

983
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:29.159
that's when everyone backed off. And suddenly once This happened

984
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.760
when the individuals that were allegedly possessed that they were

985
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:36.519
trying to exercise when the Inquisition stepped in, those religious

986
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.679
orders stepped back because they were like, oh, we don't

987
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.480
want to get in trouble with the Inquisition. Suddenly the

988
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.440
alleged possessed were cured and all the excitement died down.

989
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.840
All of the attention they were getting went away. And

990
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:50.119
when that happened, when nobody was paying attention to them

991
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:53.239
because the Inquisition was like, actually, you're all wrong, stop,

992
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.119
they were like, oh, cured, done, I'm not possessed anymore.

993
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:59.119
So very funny. All except for one. There is one

994
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.119
woman I leave. It was a group of three or

995
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.079
four of them. Of these women, there was one woman

996
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:06.079
who was said to still suffer after the extorcisms were

997
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.599
called off, but she was eventually put into the care

998
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.519
of the church, and they repeatedly reported that she was

999
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.400
under their care, but it wasn't because of any sort

1000
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.000
of demonic affliction. They said that she wasn't possessed, but

1001
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.480
she was experiencing what we would call now mental health crises.

1002
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.159
That she they were like, you're not possessed, but also

1003
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.519
there is quote something wrong with her, so she was

1004
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.599
under the care of the church for a very long time,

1005
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.280
even though they never took her case on. So, like

1006
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:36.719
I mentioned this, those are just a couple notes. I

1007
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.840
think those are like all like the high level things,

1008
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.400
like the heavy hitter information from this article. But I

1009
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:43.719
encourage all to read it. It's only six pages. I

1010
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.840
will say I had to read a couple things a

1011
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.960
few times over because it's not in like modern English language,

1012
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.440
but definitely still enough to understand. And it was just

1013
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.079
full of drama. Like I mentioned here, I was like, wait,

1014
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.400
I need to read more about those like ancient communications

1015
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.840
between because that's what this was is. Essentially, it was

1016
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.719
like a letter that somebody wrote a church person wrote

1017
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.559
to another, like someone officially part of the church, essentially

1018
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.480
like gossiping, Like check out the story, this is what

1019
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.239
happened these people.

1020
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:10.719
Lol. But again, this was.

1021
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:14.079
An article titled The Endemonyadas of geret Oro by Henry

1022
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.199
Charles Lea. I found it here in Jastore. I'm sure

1023
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.480
you could find it in other places, but it's officially

1024
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.239
from the Journal of American Folklore, volume three, number eight.

1025
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.920
With that, we're gonna go ahead and take one final break,

1026
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.079
Welcome back, well friends, all right? This next source almost

1027
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.440
our last one, but not quite yet. This is from

1028
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.679
the audio that Keeretro. It's oem dot com dot mx

1029
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:52.239
slash the audio that Keretro and it's titled they perform

1030
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.599
twenty extorcisms a week. This is published in April of

1031
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.199
twenty twenty one. I do not see a byline here.

1032
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.559
I don't have a name. I think actually I think

1033
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.320
it might be able de la Garsam. But this says

1034
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:05.039
it starts off with a quote and it says I

1035
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.559
see the devil every day, says Catholic Church spokesman Martin Lara,

1036
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:13.519
adding that again witchcraft rituals like voodoo cleansings and the

1037
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.840
use of fire circles, as well as the worship of

1038
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.199
death are commonly practiced in Gherrettro. Again they're blaming all

1039
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.840
these practices which we just read about priests calling in

1040
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.519
the community to run barefoot in circles to summon the

1041
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:31.000
spirit of Jesus Christ. Let's be very real with each other, okay, anyway, Sorry,

1042
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.599
this continues. The Catholic Church is performing up to twenty

1043
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.320
exorcisms per week during the pandemic. Again, this is published

1044
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.800
in twenty twenty one dated the Vicar of the Diocese

1045
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.960
of Gherretro, Martin Laa Besseri, while warning that witchcraft and

1046
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.199
its rituals such as voodoo cleansings and the use of

1047
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.920
fire circles are commonly practiced in Gherretro, in addition to

1048
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.480
the worship of Death or La Santa Merte, which is

1049
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.639
anything but quote holy, since it is a demon, we

1050
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.000
have also done an episode of Santa Merte. She is

1051
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.039
not a demon her alone. It is a religion the

1052
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.440
same way that the Catholic religion wants respect. I think

1053
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.760
you should respect other religions. But anyway with that means

1054
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.079
go listen to this something about the episode we've done

1055
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.119
and here before again it's the quote where he says

1056
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.280
that he sees the devil every day. One of the

1057
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:16.440
few authorized to cast out demons and to coordinate to

1058
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.440
the group of exorcist priests in the diocese is Martin Lara.

1059
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:20.760
Right.

1060
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.159
He stated that the week with the fewest exorcisms was four,

1061
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.559
so that means in any of those given weeks, the

1062
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.079
least amount of exorcisms in that in one week was

1063
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.840
four of them. However, he clarified that they don't keep

1064
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.920
statistics out of respect for the people involved. So religious

1065
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.000
hippa right. I will also say I think there's something

1066
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.760
to be said about this happening in the pandemic. I

1067
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:45.320
believe I've had this conversation before where spirituality and spiritualism

1068
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.599
has spikes or like increases when there is widespread like

1069
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:54.079
strife or panic. So I think something like a global pandemic,

1070
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:56.519
especially when people are home, they have to be forced

1071
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.000
to stay home, then they look for more answers in

1072
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:03.360
global moments of fear, right, So it would make sense

1073
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:05.599
that there would be more interest in this. But again,

1074
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.119
it could also be that somebody caught their their teen

1075
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.559
at home taking up taro because they wanted to. They

1076
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.960
had nothing but time on their hands during the pandemic,

1077
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.199
and they're like, oh my teen is rebelling. They're possessed,

1078
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:19.280
and that could have been one of the forty exorcisms

1079
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.840
that happened. Right, It's not like a real valid case,

1080
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:23.519
but who knows. That was the one thing that I

1081
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.039
thought was really interesting about this article was that this

1082
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.880
talks about the pandemic, and I wish it it went

1083
00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:31.840
more into that, But I was like, Okay, I'm glad

1084
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.880
that they mentioned it here. Anyway, this continues with a

1085
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.960
quote they said, during the week, I dedicate one day

1086
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.880
to this issue on Sunday's after Mass, and on Monday

1087
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:44.800
afternoons and evenings, I performed prayers of liberation again or exorcisms,

1088
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.000
because those are two different things, as we mentioned earlier,

1089
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.760
as determined in the Chapel of Divine Providence in the

1090
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:54.360
Casa Blanca neighborhood. So this is a different chapel in

1091
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.960
a different neighborhood than what this whole episode is about.

1092
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.119
And I wanted to mention this as well, because, as

1093
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.719
I said earlier, they said this is the only place

1094
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.639
that extorcisms happen in Mexico. This is published in twenty

1095
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.599
twenty one, eleven years after the Ministry of Exorcisms was

1096
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.719
founded and they opened their chapel. So yeah, the exorisms,

1097
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:15.280
they were happening in other places, not only throughout Mexico,

1098
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.480
but like throughout ghetatot All. Right, this happened in get.

1099
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.440
I don't know, I could be wrong, but yeah, there's

1100
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.960
more exorcisms happening throughout Mexico. Then they talk about the

1101
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:26.440
behaviors of people who are allegedly experiencing possession. It talks

1102
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.719
about the mental health aspect. There's a quote here where

1103
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.800
he says they even levitate or walk on walls or ceilings.

1104
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.239
It hasn't happened to me, but there are witnesses that

1105
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.159
this happens and will continue to happen, he reported.

1106
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:40.280
I want to see it, you know.

1107
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.639
I'm like, i want to see the proof, but also

1108
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.360
I feel like I've already see it. I would probably

1109
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:45.760
freak out, so never mind.

1110
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.079
But there are.

1111
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:51.480
Alleged eyewitnesses to this happening him. This person who performs

1112
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.719
actual exorcisms has never seen it himself, although he's performing

1113
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:58.039
allegedly countless of them. But he's heard of those things happening,

1114
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.920
So I don't know. It's always It's all always that case, right,

1115
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.880
It's always you hear from a friend of a friend

1116
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.880
or from a podcast, these stories. He continues. Of course,

1117
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.480
this is not a new topic. Jesus encountered the devil

1118
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.119
several times and cast him out of people, he stated.

1119
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.280
First and foremost, he emphasized, the person considered possessed must

1120
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.880
be evaluated again. We need to determine if it is

1121
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.760
a physical illness a mental psychological illness, or if it

1122
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.480
is indeed a case of possession. So we'll move on

1123
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.360
to the next source. That's just what I wanted to

1124
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:25.960
Those are a couple of things I wanted it to

1125
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.199
point out from this specific article. So this final source

1126
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.760
here is again from tv Astkakreto, and this is about

1127
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:36.880
the most famous exorcism cases in Gedethro. These are pretty short.

1128
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.599
So this first one here says what happened in the

1129
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.599
case of the young woman in Cologne. It says one

1130
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.360
of the incidents that has generated the greatest uproar occurred

1131
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.000
in Cologne, where a fake exorcism ritual was led by

1132
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.480
a man posing as a priest who allegedly abused a

1133
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.400
young woman. Upon realizing the man's false identity, citizens attempted

1134
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.239
to lynch him, which I'm just going to make face.

1135
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:01.880
I'm not going to say anything about that one. This

1136
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:05.199
next one says a family spirit or a hoax. One

1137
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.280
of the stories that caused the most impact in the

1138
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.519
municipality of Cologne was that of a family whose daughter

1139
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.840
claimed to be speaking with her deceased grandfather. According to

1140
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:17.320
some accounts, unusual noises were heard in the house, the

1141
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.960
spirit began giving strange commands. Sometime later, the young woman

1142
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.400
stated that the instructions did not come from her grandfather's spirit,

1143
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.320
but from a supposed demon that had come for them.

1144
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.039
This situation led the family to seek help, and the

1145
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.239
woman underwent an exorcism. I hear about this happening, and

1146
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.800
this is one of those tropes that's popular in movies,

1147
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.440
is that the demon is disguising itself as a loved one,

1148
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.920
as a child, often to like lower your guard and

1149
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:44.800
gain that sense of trust from you so that they

1150
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:48.760
can then kind of proceed with the possession. This next

1151
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:52.199
one says a property in Ezekiel, Montes. It says in

1152
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.480
the municipality of Ezekiel Montes, a group of teenagers. And

1153
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:57.440
this is one that we mentioned in the story, but

1154
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.719
Jeff said that we left out details because I was like,

1155
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.599
that's a whole different thing, and it was a smart move, Jeff,

1156
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.360
to leave that part out. But I'm glad that we're

1157
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.480
talking about it here. It says that a group of

1158
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:10.360
teenagers decided to experience the adrenaline rush of living their

1159
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:15.079
own deaths by burying themselves alive, hoping to make contact

1160
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:17.360
with the afterlife. This is a ritual that I have

1161
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.519
never heard about, and I certainly would never try being

1162
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.480
buried alive. It is like top three nightmare fuel No

1163
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.440
thank you. Anyway, this continues. After performing the act, one

1164
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:32.719
of the young women exhibited unusual behavior. Her family, confused

1165
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.079
by this situation, sought help from a priest, who declared

1166
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.760
it a case of possession. I feel like I need

1167
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.440
all the details about this, like what exactly was this ritual?

1168
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.000
What did you say when it was happening? Where did

1169
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:45.679
it take place?

1170
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:46.719
What land was it on?

1171
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:48.960
Like if this was if I was a movie writer

1172
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.960
a director, I'd be like, okay, yeah, well this will

1173
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.360
take place in a cemetery, obviously, because that is like

1174
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:56.679
scarier burying yourself alive to talk.

1175
01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:57.000
To the dead.

1176
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.880
No thank you, no thank you, no thank you. That

1177
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.280
would that would make sense. That seems like some really

1178
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:05.000
dark shit that could lead to spiritual attacks. That was

1179
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:06.760
the final one in the list, But this does wrap

1180
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.719
up here. Myth or reality stories of exorcisms and possessions

1181
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.760
in Gedreethatol are part of the local lore. Some are

1182
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.239
based on personal experiences and testimonies from residents, Others on

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alleged practices that ended in tragedy. However, these stories still

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retain the mystery that has led them to be told

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throughout history. Okay, and that was the end of our sources.

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Welcome back, cool friend, Thank you so much for joining

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us for today's episode. Reminders one last time that the

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book club book for this month for June is Binata

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by Leopolu, and anybody can join us. Just make sure

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that you're following at Sustal Podcast for any and all

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reminders about the show, about the book Club, about anything

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we have going on, and possibly events, which leads me

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to my next reminder about bookings. Once more, I am

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available for life storytelling, panel discussions and moderation, guest spots,

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hosting and podcasting workshops. You reach out to me whatever

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you need. And I also just want to say this

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is not only for spooky season. We can do this

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all year round, the same way that I do the

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show all year round. I am available for whatever you

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got going on all year long.

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You just let me know.

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And lastly, make sure that you are sending in your

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scary stories to be featured on a Letters from the

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Beyond episode or on social media. If it is a

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photo video or an EVP, you just use the Submit

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story on my website that's sustalpodcast dot com or in

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the episode description below. And if you don't have a

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written story like I mentioned, you can also send in

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a photo, a video, or an EVP. Lastly, make sure

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that you are supporting sustal wherever you are listening by

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engaging with the show so that is leaving positive ratings

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and reviews or comments. And you can also get access

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to bonus and exclusive content and watch me do do

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this right on video by visiting susto plus dot com.

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Many blessings upon this episode's patron saints and you are

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Liza Rachel, Alejandra Luther, April d Josette, Amanda Lauri, Genie,

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desire c Ashes, Nedessa, rachel A, Asusenna, Marlene Chata, Laney,

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Desiree A Ricardo, Vanessa, Mariza Manormalt, Iris Floud, Selina Nightingville, Clint,

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Rachel W. Rmani and Bianca. Thank you so so much

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for your support. It truly means the underworld to me.

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I would bury myself for life. No, I'm kidding, I

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would not do that, sorry, but I still really appreciate it.

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I will talk to you all in

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The next one and until then, not Destas Byetta