Aug. 1, 2024

Ruperta Estrada Durazno

Ruperta Estrada Durazno

Sweet as a peach! In this episode, Ayden tells the story of Ruperta Estrada Durazno, a curandera who lived to be 120 years old, discusses the modern practice of curanderismo and the importance of culturally relevant healthcare.

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Sweet as a peach! In this episode, Ayden tells the story of Ruperta Estrada Durazno, a curandera who lived to be 120 years old, discusses the modern practice of curanderismo and the importance of culturally relevant healthcare.

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with many other amazing paranormal creators. I will be sitting

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in photos, videos, audio recordings, anything. Send me that spooky stuff,

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you know, I live for it. With that being said,

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we are going to jump into today's episode. This is

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going to be the final installment of the Grand Rismo series.

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I really hope that you all enjoyed it. I had

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such a fun time making it and I feel like

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I learned so much. And this last installment is I'm

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going to be telling the story of a one Ruberta Estrada.

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And this was sent in by her great great great

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maternal granddaughter, Cristina de Leon Perrales. Christina, thank you so

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much for sending this in. There was so much fun

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to look into. This was so cool to get a

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submission about this from someone that has truly a personal

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connection to it. So I hope that you enjoy it.

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I hope that I did Ruberta justice. Without further ado,

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let's jump into her story. One Ruberta strad Drazzno, who

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lived to be one hundred twenty years of age and

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a possible descendant of the Ottomi Chichimeca people who populated

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Gueretaro long knew of the healing herbs and mysterious plants

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that came from natures pharmacopeia in southwest Texas. Ruberta's home

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was in Carnes County, and despite her age, she visited

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her adopted daughter in San Antonio occasionally. Well into her

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later years, she was in full possession of her faculties,

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marvelously keen in her perception of people as of the

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plants she had an intimate understanding of. For nearly a century,

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her farm, half a mile west of Kennedy was the

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source of herb products for a local store on the

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west Side, and where some of the Mexican population bought

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its herbs and roots to brow concoctions endowed with healing magic.

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In the springtime especially was a demand for these herb medicines,

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which were parceled out with precise neatness in their respective

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bundles in nineteen twenty two, Estrada built a frame schoolhouse

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near her homestead in the little settlement of Choate, Texas,

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big enough for a small class of children. In one season,

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there were ninety seven of them. The Centenarian New War,

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she told of having been with her husband for three

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months once in an army camp near Caretarol in eighteen

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seventy seven, ten years after the execution of the abandoned

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French Emperor Maximilian. Telling the tell, she lights a cigarette

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for solace during the recollection of things which happened half

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a century ago. They are of small importance compared with

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the astonishing fact that she, who never was ill in

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her life at the time of this article, was actually

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a patient and obliged to take doctor's medicine. Her friends

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were faithful in this. One of them administered the doses,

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smiling at her disgusted obedience. Her hair, once so luxuriant,

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betrayed its owner's age, but that did not slow her down,

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or her clear speech, her direct glance and acute hearing,

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which were said to be marvelous even in her late years.

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My grandmother taught me all I know about herbs, she said,

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and described the plants she grew rosemary, a disinfectant, capitana

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for ointment, fennel, mustard, BlackBerry a favorite household remedy. In summer,

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fruit leaves and root are all employed for glucose, gallic

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and tannic acid. Wisache, blossoms, mince parsley, and cactus juice.

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The nopal or pear itself designed apparently by nature to

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furnish a convenient poultice. When split. Among them all and

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many more ruperta by keen, accustomed eye, by touch of hands,

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by quick inhalation, tested them all recited their uses like

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a rosary of healing. Of course, each countryside has its

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folk medicine, but this San Antonio region inheritre it's rich

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medical lore. From several sources. The tribes who lived in

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villages or ranged to the valleys of the San Antonio, Guadalupe,

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Gomal and Pdernalez contributed something. But the Aztec descendants brought

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with them on the subtropical soil quite definite knowledge of

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its shrubs and herbs, which were closely akin to those

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of Mexico. Long had their ancestors practiced the healing art

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of nature. Welcome back, ol friends. Okay, So this one

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is a much shorter entry, and the source that I

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used for the story itself is actually an article from

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the San Antonio Express which was published in June of

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nineteen twenty five, and I did the math. So at

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the time of writing this article, Ruberta was a hundred

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and seven. I believe that means that she would have

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been born in eighteen eighteen. And again she lived to

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be one hundred and twenty years years old, So that

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alone is I mean, what an accomplishment, what a feat,

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what a gift to live that many years, especially because

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it was said that she had so much life left

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in her in her later years. Unfortunately, this was the

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only real I guess source, or honestly, it was the

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only thing that I could find, was this article that

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Christina sent to me. I tried googling, and I tried

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different formats, and I tried her name different ways, but

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it was so hard to find anything about her. So

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while we have this amazing article written about her and

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her work and her knowledge as an herbalist, there's still

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a lot of mystery surrounding her, and I wish I

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knew more. Christina, thank you so much for sending this

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in and I know that, you know, you kind of

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asked for some help looking into her more, and unfortunately

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I met a lot of dead ends, and I wish

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that there was more information about her. I am honestly,

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I'm going to keep looking because I do want to

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know more about her. Aside from that, there is also

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an obituary. This is from I believe it looks like

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this is from nineteen thirty five, so redoing the math,

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she may have been born in eighteen fifteen even earlier.

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But this is a quick obituary entry, and there's a

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photo of her here that I will be uploading as well.

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The obituary says oldest person in the United States is

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dead at one hundred twenty years of age. So at

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one point Ruberta held this title that she was the

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oldest person in the United States. And it's a short

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obituary and I'm going to read it verbati and this

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says San Antonio, Texas, March thirtieth, Missus Ruberta Strada Durazno,

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reported to be one hundred twenty years old and believed

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to be the oldest person in the United States, died

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in a hospital here today. Missus Durasno, who witnessed Maximilian's

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invasion of Mexico succumbed to an attack of pneumonia. Yeah,

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missus Dura's note was a full blooded Indian and did

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not learn to speak Spanish until forty five years of age.

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This was during the reign of Maximilian, when she and

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her husband, who was an army officer, went to live

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in Mexico City, where her husband was military Out of Shay,

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she came to the United States in nineteen o nine

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and lived at Kennedy, Texas ever since. I believe, and

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again I don't have any solid sources. I was seeing

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little bits and pieces of stuff. It could have been

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talking about someone else. So I did see something else

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that I'm not going to quote as a true source,

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but it was a possible lead that said that she

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was originally from Onduras. But also this article from the

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San Antonio Express is saying that she's a descendant of

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the indigenous people from get At that Ale, which, as

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we know, many of these stories and many of these

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people they moved through the land, right. So yeah, I'm

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not exactly sure where this Onduda's bit came from, but

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it was something that I saw online that the timeline

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kind of matched up, but again I'm not very sure.

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I wish there was more that I had about her.

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But in kind of wrapping up this Guran Derismo series,

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I did also want to talk about modern gudand derismo.

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It's something that I touched on quickly at the very

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beginning of this series, but I think it'd be a

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nice way to kind of wrap it all up. So

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the first thing that I wanted to talk about is

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from a website called the Zoi Report, and this was

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published in February of twenty twenty four, so extremely recently,

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and it's titled the Ancient Practice of Gudandrismo is getting

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a Modern Makeover. This is a really great write up,

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but one piece of it that I thought was interesting

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is this part that says doctor Jennifer Semon, author of

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Borderlines Goudandetto's, describes godanda rismo as a hybrid system of

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healing practiced throughout Mexico and Latin America and in places

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where ethnic Mexicans and Latina people have a strong presence,

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such as the US Mexico borderlands. As someone who's from

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the borderlands, I feel like I can tell you that

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is extremely true and I'm going to talk a little

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bit in a while about how modern Quuran derismo may

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present itself, so just kind of keep that in mind.

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But this continues encompassing a vast range of techniques. It

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is an earth based spiritual healing practice comprised of a

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set of folk medical beliefs, indigenous and Catholic rituals and

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practices that address the psychological, spiritual, social, and health needs

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of people. Semon Tell's TZR again that I think really

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perfectly encapsulates some of the things that I learned throughout

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this series. So one of them being that as we

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saw with with everybody that we spoke about, and I

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wouldn't be surprised if it also applied to Ruberta was

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with Don Pedro, Caramo Fidencio Is they were all not

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only spiritual healers, so they helped people with spiritual elements,

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with physical elements, but they were also kind of activists

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in their own right. And I know I talked a

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lot about this when we talked about that Esorea, But again,

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they were so involved with the community, they were so

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concerned with giving back to helping the communities that they

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were in. Again, then Petrojarramio providing food to hundreds of

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people that went to visit him and and in that

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county that Esorea speaking out for basically as part of

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the land back movement and saying that Indigenous people are

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entitled to their lands. And not only that, but she

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was also a big advocate for labor rights and for

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the rights of women. And then Nino Fidencio, he was

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also very involved in giving back to the community. It

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was very interesting that like holistic healing, it really based

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on what I've again this is my opinion, but based

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on what I've read and what I've seen throughout the series,

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is holistic healing doesn't stop at the individual level. It

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involves the entire community, and it involves the health and

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the well being of the community, not only physically and spiritually,

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but as a functioning society. And so it's like, how

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do you expect people? And this was part of the

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work that I did when I worked at the clinics

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and working with different kinds of populations, is how do

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you expect someone to care for their health? How do

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you expect someone to make it to their doctor's appointments

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every single time when they don't know where they're going

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to sleep, when they don't know where their next meal

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is going to come from, when they don't know if

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they will be able to take their kids to school

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the next day. You know, it's these needs need to

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be addressed at a basic social level, for people not

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only to care, but to even attempt to take action

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on their health. That's why I don't know, I feel

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so like galvanized about all of these people, these famous gudandettas,

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And it again took me back to that space of

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when I used to do a lot of that kind

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of work. But will continuous that I'm not just on

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my soatbox for this whole episode. I'm going to read

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one more thing from this century the Zoe Report dot com.

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Originally known as the Art of Mexican folk Heiling, modern

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Guandandarrismo is composed heavily of a synthesis of cultures, particularly

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that of Minds and Aztecs, as a result of colonization.

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Quote in the America's Simon notes, guardanda rismo emerged from

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the contact between the old and the new world, that is,

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between Europe and the indigenous empires of the Americas. Additionally,

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she notes the forced adaptation and assimilation during the sixteenth

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century on the American continents led to a syncretic healing

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practice now known as gurand de rismo. Okay, I'm so

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happy that they included this because I was going to

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bring that up. I was thinking about it as I

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read it. This line it says the forced adaptation and

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assimilation during the sixteenth century. Again, forced adaptation and assimilation.

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I've talked about this before, but the idea of modern

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guand de rismo or even modern buheia is you see

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a lot of Catholic iconography or even ritual or language

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folded into this, and then you wonder, why is that there,

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Why are they incorporating it if the other part of

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this practice is based in indigenous traditions or just not

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Catholic traditions. But again, because there was the people who

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were practicing this, people indigenous to Mexico, indigenous to America,

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they had to in it in order to survive. They

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basically had no other choice but to accept those aspects

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of this religion that was being forced upon them in

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order for them not only to physically survive, but for

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the culture to survive. So in a way, this assimilation,

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this adaptation, this merging of those two religions and practices.

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It had to happen in order for any of it

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to survive, like a necessary evil, I guess you could say. So. Yeah,

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it's just an interesting point that I always try to

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keep in mind when I'm talking about this, and I'm

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so happy that they included it in this article as well.

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So this next source that I want to read out

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is from KU and M. I believe that's a radio

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station for the University of New Mexico. This was written

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in twenty fourteen, and it says Professor Todes has been

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teaching Gurandaismo courses for fourteen years now, since before the

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World Health Organization endorsed traditional medicine as a part of

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national health care systems about a decade ago, which would

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make it two thousand and four. He says the tradition

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was being lost in the United States, but because it's

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being researched now people know more about than at any

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other time, and you know what, I'm happy to contribute

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to that in any way that I can. This continues quote.

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We're beginning to see another type of gourdandette, he said.

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Maybe they're not called gourdandettas but they know the traditions

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and they know the proper ways of working with Gurandismo.

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Though it just gets treatments from these healers and participates

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in ceremonies to deal with aches and pains, and he

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takes herbal medications for minor ailments. However, if I'm really sick,

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I rush to the hospital or to my physician. He said,

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so you are able to use good judgment on whether

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you want to use traditional medicine or allopathic medicine. Many

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physicians take his course and have an open mind about Guranderismo.

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That's my favorite part of this one is that there

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are physicians who are open to these practices, to these

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beliefs because they are real and they apply. And it's unfortunate,

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you know, I and I have definitely come across doctors

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and I have to go to doctors for my chronic illness,

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and unfortunately, I have come across some doctors that are

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one in particular but I won't say his name, who

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are extremely closed minded and who are actually bigoted. Okay,

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I'm getting too personal now, I'm getting heated. And that's

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kind of scary. That was scary to me at the

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time more than anything because These are the people that

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I am supposed to go to with full trust for

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my health, for my well being, and they are supposed

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to know these things, to see that side of a

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medical professional. And again this does not apply, of course

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to all hashtag not all doctors, right, But this was

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my encounter with these two, and I know that it's

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not an isolated incident. I have heard other encounters with

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other doctors that are really just unfortunate, you know, people

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that are completely closed off to people's beliefs. And it

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goes back, I think to something that I mentioned in

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the introduction of this series is healthcare should be culturally relevant.

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And what that means is that whoever's providing the healthcare,

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when they are being culturally relevant, they are considering the

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perspective and the close held beliefs of the patients. Because

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if you cannot gain the trust of your patient, if

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you can not meet them where they're at, especially with

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something that is valid like herbalism. You know, there are

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uses for certain herbs and plants, and if you can't

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meet people there when they are there, then that shouldn't

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be your patient. You know, that's not the patient for you.

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It's not always going to be it's not always going

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to be a fit. But then also at the same time,

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doctors should not demand for their patients to let go

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of those beliefs simply because I am the one with

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the prescription pad. I am the one with all these

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years of education, which again are all valuable. I don't

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want to piss any doctors off, but that should not

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give a medical professional the right to invalidate someone's beliefs

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and experiences. Is where I will leave that one. So

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thank you to this professor thought Is for doing that

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work and working with physicians and medical professionals to help

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them kind of open their minds to this form of healing.

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So the next source that I have is from a

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four Directions Wellness dot com and this does not have

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a published date that I can find, but a short

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entry for here that I wanted to read out. It

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says in doctor Cheotortis's ted x abq connecting modern medicine

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to traditional healing, Doctor Chaotorias. At ted xabq, he reminisces

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about his mother's home remedies that stemmed from guranda rismo,

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but more powerfully, he goes on to explain the power

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of kurandrismo when combined with the understanding of modern medicine today.

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In his integrative medicine approach, a new generation of gurandetes

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are being trained at community centers in Mexico to help

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tackle the difficult issues of providing quality, affordable healthcare. So again,

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I think that experience that this doctor Chaeo Tordes is

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talking about in his TEEDX talk is it's kind of

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echoing what I just kind of ranted about, right, is

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that this integrative approach to medicine is important and considering

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you know, the quote modern and the traditional, and yeah,

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I just thought it was important to include that. I

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have not watched this teTeX video, but I'm very excited

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to watch it and if you would like to watch

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it again, this is on four directions wellness dot com

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Gordan de diesmol the traditional healing of Mexican culture, but

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the video itself is connecting modern medicine to traditional healing.

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Doctor Cho Torres at ted XABQ. The final source that

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I have here, this is from the Institute for Latino

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Studies from the University of Notre Dame Student Research Briefs,

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and this is a really cool brief. I guess that

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was put together, but I want to read through. It's

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broken down in a really neat table of contents, and

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they do have something here called modern gudanda diesmol in

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the US, so of course I have to read that, right,

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So I'm just going to read a bit from here,

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and it says godanda dismol is alive and growing amongst

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Latina populations in the United States. Components of the folk

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healing practice are intertwined into the culture of Latinas and

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are ingrained in Latina immigrants' daily lives. Because the practice

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allows immigrants to maintain elements of their culture and their

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beliefs and identities. Gordanda dismo continues to be passed down

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and cherished as it provides psychological and social support to

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immigrants who have been isolated from their cultural practices of origin.

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Gorandeismo persists because it provides a form of healthcare to

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a medically underserved demographic. Latinos are subject to significant health

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care disparities in the United States, regardless of immigration status.

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Latinas are the least likely demographic to have health insurance

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in the United States and are quote locked out of

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the US healthcare system due to factors including language barriers,

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lack of Latina health care providers, documentation, status, and socioeconomic

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factors blocked from the US healthcare system, many Latina immigrants

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return to their cultural place of healing for treatments, which

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explains why quote traditional medicine is used by seventy five

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percent of Mexican Americans in some parts of the United States.

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Gurandetta's meet the medical needs of Latinas who have little

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access to the public health care system in the US,

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especially given that in their communities a botanica or healer

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may be more accessible than a doctor's office or a pharmacy. Again,

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just echoing all of that staff is and this is

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again taking me back to the work that I did

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in the clinics. For anybody who doesn't know the work

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that I used to do, or if I've never said before,

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I used to work at an HIV clinic. I think

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more formally they're known as AIDS service organizations. And I

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was a community tester and I would test people for

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HIV and STIs and I was also responsible for doing

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presentations in the community to teach people about HIV, how

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to prevent it, what it is to live with HIV

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in this day and age one of the saddest things

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and one of the most upsetting things, to be honest,

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and it mentioned it here as one of the barriers

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to healthcare is documentation status. I came across so many

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people that did not want to come into our clinic

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or did not want to take a test because they

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were scared to be deported because they were undocumented, and

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they were just worried about what we, as a state

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funded organization, would do with their information. And so it

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took a lot of convincing people this is a safe

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space to get health care services relating to HIV and

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STIs and that no harm would come to them from

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getting those services. And again I'm speaking to my own experience.

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This is the modicum of involvement. This is a little

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bit of involvement that I had into health care industry,

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was doing that work, and because we would hear from

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clients that was a huge concern is they were not

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only avoiding us, but they were avoiding any doctor's office

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because they were scared. Basically, that's so fucked up, so upsetting,

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it's so sad. I don't know what the numbers are now.

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I have since left the quote HIV industry just to

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like kind of take care of my own mental health

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as someone living with HIV. It was also very hard

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to do that work day in and day out. But

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at the time, I remember that the Latina population was

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adversely affected by HIV transmission. We were one of the

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highest populations that are affected by HIV, and a lot

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of that was, again, like this brief just stated, was

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due to the fact that there were so many barriers

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to healthcare. And this is where that social aspect comes in.

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Because there's no plant, there's no te as far as

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I know of that I can take to manage my HIV.

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I have to take medicine, but I would not be

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able to get there if I did not have all

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these other if I wasn't comfortable going to a doctor's office.

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So I don't know, I feel like I'm kind of rambling,

467
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but hopefully you can see the connection that I'm trying

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to make is that when people are again met where

469
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they're at, when the healthcare is being provided in a

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way that is making the patient comfortable and the patient

471
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feel comfortable and seeing, then you know their health can

472
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and will improve. Hopefully that wasn't a huge roundabout circle way,

473
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but for me, it made a connection in my head,

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and I hope that you can see it too, because

475
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all of this is connected in a way. I truly

476
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believe that, not only on like a metaphysical level, but

477
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it's like a domino effect. You know, if one thing happens,

478
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it's something else down the line, it's going to be

479
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connected in some sort of way. So I'll just leave

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that there before I continue to ramble and rant. One

481
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last thing I did want to mention about God, the

482
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dismol modern God, dismol that I almost forgot about was

483
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the way that it kind of presents itself now is

484
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then I think, just because of the way communication has evolved,

485
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then we had these pillars right in their unity, these

486
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absolute pillars that stood out, and that could also just

487
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be a testament to the efficacy of their healing, to

488
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how much they were able to actually heal and what

489
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they were they were able to do in their communities.

490
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But also I think with the changing of communication, look

491
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at us now, you and me right here, the way

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that I'm speaking to you, the way that you're listening,

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the way that you may later go on to send

494
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.119
me a DM or a comment or an email or whatever.

495
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.359
It's just such an open form of communication. You know,

496
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.920
we are open to communicate with each other, and sometimes

497
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at very large levels. I you know, gratefully I have

498
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:38.119
built this kind of platform with Susto, and so I'm

499
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able to share all this information. So I think if

500
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we apply that to people doing gudan desmol, if you

501
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.200
do a search now for like a gurandette in your area,

502
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.160
then I'm sure you're going to get countless results are

503
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.480
going to pop up. And it's kind of like it's

504
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.359
an image I have in my head of driving through

505
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where I'm originally from, from the Rio Grande Valley, driving

506
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through and even in Austin. You know, I think anywhere

507
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:02.680
there's a Latino population, you're going to see it. If

508
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.440
you drive through the community, you're going to see the signs.

509
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.880
You're going to see the yedvidias spelled with a y

510
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or a botanica, or you might even see someone just

511
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full out with a sign that says gurandera gurandeto. You know,

512
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you're going to see that these services are out there.

513
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.000
I think because people have learned also how to I'm

514
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going to use the word advertise or market themselves, which

515
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.279
also I think can be good because now it's like

516
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you don't have to travel like people had to do

517
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:38.559
in the times of pro Tereso Rea and n Uberta.

518
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.319
Like people don't have to travel sometimes hundreds of miles

519
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.039
to go get this kind of care and attention. You

520
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.680
can drive down the block in your in your town,

521
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:51.039
in your neighborhood and visit your local kurandetta who can

522
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:52.880
help you out. And I think that's great. I think

523
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.400
it makes it more accessible. But again just pointing out

524
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.160
the idea of like how communication has spread because not

525
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.519
only are there are those people in the community, but

526
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.519
you can also find them and you can do the

527
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.000
research beforehand and say, okay, if I go here, no,

528
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.160
actually she's a bada. That's the kind of work she

529
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.279
focuses on. I don't want that I need someone to

530
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.400
I need a was settle because I'm having an issue

531
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.880
with my elbow or my knee, or I need to

532
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.039
solve or I need I need I need to go

533
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.079
to a yavidia or a yea bed a so that

534
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.680
they can make me a tee for whatever this element

535
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.000
you know you can and people can again advertise themselves

536
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.680
in a certain way and say this is the kind

537
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.480
of work that I do, or I provide all these

538
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.680
services this is my focus. Or if you need a

539
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.400
combination of these things and you can find the right person. Honestly,

540
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.240
if we can make a zoc doc for Godandettas, that

541
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.960
would be amazing. I don't know, I've never used doc doc,

542
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.839
but I've heard of them. This is not sponsored, by

543
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.400
the way, so don't use them until they sponsored it.

544
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.839
But wouldn't it be cool to get that, you know what,

545
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.799
I'm onto something. If there's any app developers on there

546
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.319
copyright trademark, I'm doing it now. Let's make an app

547
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.720
for Gudandettas to sign up on there, and you can

548
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.920
find the right Gudandetta for you using code sousto for

549
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.480
zero percent off. But yeah, I just I thought that

550
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.920
was an interesting point to bring up as well, because

551
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we are you know, we're in it now. We're in

552
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We're in the generation of now of the internet and

553
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.720
where we have access to anything immediately just at our fingertips,

554
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:31.519
and I think that can be pretty cool. Welcome back,

555
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.240
well friends, thank you so much for listening to today's episode.

556
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I hope that I was able to wrap a nice,

557
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.079
neat little bow on this God on the dismal series. Honestly,

558
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if there was anyone that I missed, anyone that you

559
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.079
think should have been featured, anyone that you know of

560
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.920
personally or just may have heard of, please send them

561
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.200
in and I would love to feature them again in

562
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.079
another episode. Yeah, because these were the ones that I

563
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.799
went over. There were just the first ones that kind

564
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.559
of popped up or they were repeatedly showing up. But

565
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I know that it's not limited to us those three

566
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.240
and also to Christina and your great great great grandmother.

567
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:05.960
Thank you for sending that story in. It was so

568
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.839
cool to see that someone who listens to sustal has

569
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.839
this personal connection to to in their life, and I'm

570
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.240
sure many of you do. Again, thank you so much

571
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:20.119
for listening. And as always, if you have your own story, photo, video, audio, recording, anything,

572
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.519
send it to me via the website, email, DM, comment review.

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You can now also send in audio recordings on the

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I will be appearing on the True Scary Story Podcast.

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I'll put a link to that of course when it

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comes up, so y'all can listen to me on there,

580
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or you can visit them and listen before because it's

581
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a great show. So I'm very excited about that. I

582
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.519
told a story that I think I've mentioned on here before,

583
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.079
but i told it in full detail on their show,

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so I'm very excited for that to be out there.

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we are on the subject of Patreon, thank you so

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much to my Patreon subscribers. You are Eliza Sadie Rachel,

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to you this time? Okay? Paid Patreon subscribers, thank you

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and Archie. Thank you all so much. If I didn't

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sing your name and you really wanted me to see

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your name, let me know and I will do that

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for you. I just I knew halfway through that I

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was going to absolutely cringe hearing myself try and do that.

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Thank you so much. I deeply appreciate your support. I

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will talk to you in the next episode and until

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then notes bye.