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Black Christmas (2006) | Updating a classic for the Saw era On Christmas Eve, an escaped maniac returns to his childhood home, which is now a sorority house, and begins to murder the sorority sisters one by one. If there's one thing I'm not...

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Black Christmas (2006) | Updating a classic for the Saw era

On Christmas Eve, an escaped maniac returns to his childhood home, which is now a sorority house, and begins to murder the sorority sisters one by one.

If there's one thing I'm not nostalgic for, it's the extreme horror trend of the 2000's

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Hey, cool friends, It's me Adrian or Aiden.

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Either way, I.

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Am still your host, but you are not listening to

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SUSTO this week. Welcome to the twenty twenty five Sustal Swapathon.

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That is right, I feel like I primed you already

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for this. I gave you all the heads up in

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the month of December. I am taking time off from

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the production cycle of Sustal and I am bringing to

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you shows that I think that you will enjoy as

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much as I do. So I'm sorry you're probably gonna

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get sick of hearing this specific introduction for these next

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couple weeks throughout December, but I just wanted to make

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sure to mind you all about what is going on,

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so that when you hear this, you're not like, what

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Where is Aiden? Did he ghost us?

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twenty twenty six. I hope that you are having a

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wonderful holiday season. As I mentioned before the break started,

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really hope that you enjoy it and I will see

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Ghost Beast Horror Podcast. I'm Todd, joined by why does

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it sound weird?

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I thought we were just doing a test. I didn't

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know we were doing.

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A podcast, horror podcast. I'm Todd, joined by mayfe Becca Hi,

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and we're gonna watch every horror movie together, which is

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why today we watched Black Christmas from two thousand and six.

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It's directed by Glenn Morgan who directed that movie. Willard,

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did you ever see that. No, do you know what

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that is? No, it's one with a guy who's like

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a master of Rats or something. Oh, okay, I was

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always very confused by that movie. Can see a poster.

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I think that guy Crispin Glover. What.

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No, I've never this is really weird seeing this for

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the first time in my life. I have no idea

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what that.

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It's a very funny verse the Okay. I remember seeing

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a billion ads on TV for it, and I was

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always just like, I don't understand what this movie is.

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It's a weird guy who is friends with rats.

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It looks like a romanticy cover for rat Love.

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I couldn't even figure out is this a horror movie?

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Is it's a comedy? He made that, then he made this,

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and then I saw a quote where he said if

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this failed at the box office, he would never direct again.

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And he didn't. I think he after this directed like

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some X Files episodes, but never made another movie. And

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it's too bad because you know, before we really get

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into our opinions on the movie, I don't think either

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of us liked it too much. No, it's not well

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jump ahead a little bit.

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Yeah, but I will.

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I'll give this guy credit, because it seemed like he

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was super excited about making this movie, Like he made

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sure to get the approval of Bob Clark, you know,

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the director of the original, and I think he came

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on as like a producer and he seemed to really

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care about it. And there are elements of this movie

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where it feels like, Okay, I can see where he's

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trying to do something here, like some of the elements

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the way it kind of tries to emulate this like

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Italian Jallo style a little bit, like with some of

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the cinematography and the colored lighting and stuff, like there's

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little stuff where it's like, Okay, I see what you're doing,

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like you're trying to do something. But it seems that

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there was a lot of studio interference when they made this,

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and so I feel for him a bit because we'll

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get into that stuff later, especially in the spoilers. But like,

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it's gotta suck when you're like, you know, a little

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director who's super excited and passionate about making something, especially

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something like this. It's a remake of such a classic

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horror movie, and to have like every decision questioned and thwarted,

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that sounds weird. Yeah, thwarted and have every decision like

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second guest and overturned by the people control the money.

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It's got to be very frustrating. Yeah, but yeah, this song.

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I decided to see this because we watched the original

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Black Christmas together, like not that long ago, like a

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few years ago. My excuse is I never really watched

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a lot of older classic horror before meeting you. I

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don't know what your excuse is.

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I think this is another one of those movies that,

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like I always heard my family and my extended family

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talking about it. Oh yeah, so I was probably like, oh,

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I don't know the.

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Same reason that I don't like the band Genesis or yes,

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because my dad loved that shit. It was like, fuck this.

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It was the funniest thing when I got older and

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some of my friends were like, oh shit, your dad

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likes Yes, that's awesome, And I was like, what the

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fuck are you talking that old man weird music? Why

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are you listening to this? But like we did. We

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watched the original for the podcast last year, so that's

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already out there. I think if you're following us on YouTube,

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that episode's going to go up on Monday. Becus we're

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trying to add all of our older catalog to YouTube

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so you can see our thoughts over there. But we

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both love the original. I think the ending of the

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original is like one of the most iconic in horror history.

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I just love it so fucking much. Yeah, and the

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two thousand and six one. I keep seeing online these

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fucking zoomers saying that, oh, the original Black Christmas. It's

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especially this time of year. I think people start talking

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about this a lot because they're looking for Christmas horror movies.

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So you have like a new generation every year watching these.

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And I saw a lot of people saying that the

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original was like very slow and confusing and they didn't

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get it, and they're like, I prefer the two thousand

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and six one and such a disappointment. The youths are failures. Yeah,

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but it made me feel like, Okay, I want to

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check this out because I've never seen it. I'd always

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heard people shit on it, so it's kind of like

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I want to give a shot. And this like it's

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the same thing with uh, you know, we watched the

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Collector and Collection recently. That's like the same era, Like

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the two thousands of horror, those are great. This feels

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like it's completely in that ballpark, that two thousands horror movie. Yeah,

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it feels very much like that.

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It's very much that era in a lot of ways.

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Including the content, which we'll talk about more in the

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content warning. Yeah, but yeah, having seen this, it's just,

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you know, part of what made the original so good

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was the subtlety of it. The thing that people call

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slow I think works it really well in that movie

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to develop like the mood and the atmosphere and everything. Well.

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Yeah, and it takes place like one night too, right, Yeah,

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I think, isn't it it's like the afternoon to the

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morning kind of.

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I think it's definitely a very short time period, like

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it's only.

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If it's not one night, it's probably a couple of.

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Days, yeah, which I think this one kind of does that,

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even though it has a lot of flashbacks and stuff,

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which yeah, listen, we'll get that in a second. But

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this one, like, there are ways that it tries to,

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you know, be faithful to the original while telling its

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own story. And you know, it throws out a lot

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of red herrings in the beginning about like who the

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killer could be and all this stuff. But I think

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my problem with it is, you know, early on I

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was on board. I was like, Okay, let's see where's going.

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There's some weird decisions it's making, but I was kind

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of there to see, Okay, how is this going to resolve?

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And it just feels like from start to finish, it's

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doing like the most predictable shit ever. And I don't

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want to say too much before we at the spoilers,

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but I think that's the biggest fault of the movie.

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It's just not doing too much. That's very interesting, especially

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when you're in you're calling yourself Black Christmas. It's like,

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it feels like we took the wrong lessons maybe from it.

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Yeah, it's this film does have like Christmas kills in

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it to like theme. I will give it that, at least, just.

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The bare minimum. Yeah, when you're calling yourself Black Christmas. Yeah,

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but I mean it just it winds up feeling like

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a two thousand and six version of Black Christmas. Well, yeah,

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you know, it's like, because what was so hot back then?

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I mean we talked about the Collector, it was Saul,

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it was hostile. You know, It's those kind of movies.

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And you can also tell that they were pushing like

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the violence and the brutality more in that kind of

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direction that shit, I don't even know how to put

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it in the words, but there is a certain level

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of violence in Gore that's like this feels like two

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thousand and five. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Yeah, It's there's no like art to it happening. It's

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just kind of like happening. Yeah, Like there's no like

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art direction. I guess I could maybe say like it's

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kind of just like happen. It just happens either, you know,

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very creative. Well yeah, like you know, there's like movies,

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all kinds of vintage movies that have used really subtle

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techniques to show like Psycho, like the shower scene is

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so iconic, but you know her guts aren't.

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Everywhere or even like Suspiria, and you know the way

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the blood looks and that kind of artistic element to it.

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Yeah. And it's not to say that Gore can't be artistic,

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because it definitely can. Like it can oh yeah, it

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seems like an afterthought kind of like this needs to

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be gross and violent instead of like figuring out, well

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what does that mean? How do we show that?

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Yeah? I think this is the era when people talked

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about portrait porn type movies, and that's oh yeah, a

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term that I've always really fucking hated because it just

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feels like judgmental.

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I think it's like a way that it's being showed.

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Yeah, it's like maybe this is kind of the type

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of stuff that people refer to because I mean, we

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might as well quickly get into the content warning. As

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far as the violence goes, it's it's yeah, it's not

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like it's not using really creative effects and stuff like that.

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It's just very brutal and cruel. It can be like

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the violence is a little shocking. Like still, I don't

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know what it was about this era that just kind

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of hits different.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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But really the big stuff is, uh so we get

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we got two big heavy hitters, and yeah we do.

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We got the incest that just.

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Look, I was not expecting the incests that was actually insane.

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We got the sexual assault which is also part of

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the incest.

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Yeah, there's that, and then there's also like a woman

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being felt up without can Yeah. So it's like now

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that you you before we started recording, you told me

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about some of the producers and everything. Yep, And it

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just makes sense. Unfortunately that was probably I would hope

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that was just a decision of some weird producer and

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not the director.

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Nope, good old Weinstein's That's the thing I'll say here. Like,

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there was a lot of studio medaling from what I saw,

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and a big part of it was they wanted to

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push more violence and more gore and like leaning into

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what was popping they're in this era.

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But that's not what this movie is, Like, that's not

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the story is.

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That's what I think. That's probably where things start going

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off the rails, was the commitment to all that kind

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of stuff. It's just so much the antithesis of what

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the original was doing.

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Yeah, just like it doesn't make sense. It's just kind

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of there for I guess the sake of being there,

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which is annoying honestly.

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So yeah, be prepared for some of that, but just

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know that, like listen, this is not high art or anything.

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It's definitely it's pushing it for just shock value. And

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the funny thing is, I think with the way they

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do it, it winds up being less offensive because you're

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just kind of laughing at it as being just so

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fucking ridiculous, So it doesn't hit the same way as

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a movie that's like actually about trauma.

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Yeah, this doesn't have the same timeless feeling as the

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original does, because I feel like I could watch Black

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Christmas the original and it just feels like it's a classic.

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It's just timeless. Yeah, this is not that.

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But yeah, overall, I think like the people I think

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I'm most sympathetic to, I can imagine a generation of

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people that saw this when it came out. Yeah, when

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they were like that's probably prime age. Yeah, you know,

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like when you're like thirteen years old, this is probably

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the craziest shit you've ever seen. Yeah, we all have that.

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You were you almost saw it in theaters, right.

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I almost did. I remember in high school seeing posters

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I think literally like hanging up around like our mall

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or whatever, and I was like, oh, I want to

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see that. That looks really cool and when it comes

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out on Christmas, we should do it.

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And that means you were like sixteen, Yeah, so perfect.

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Yes for this. I'm always it's like I said, always

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sympathetic to people who have these movies that loom super

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large in their memory. You can't help it, you know

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it's gonna affect you. But from the outside looking in.

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Yeah, this was just it feels like there was a

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lot of missed opportunities. Yes, because it is really well shot,

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it's really well lit. I think all of the acting

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is is good. I mean, yeah, it's the pieces are

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coming together. It just kind of like missed a couple steps.

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I think it's like it's like half a good movie. Yeah,

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is how i'd put it.

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It's hard for it, honestly, and I don't even care,

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Like it's hard for me to like a movie that

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just throws sexual assault in for no fucking reason, like

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that is just stupid.

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Yeah. I think it's just it's at its best when

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it's trying to make actual references to the original. And

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I don't mean like character names and stuff, because that

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stuff's in the movie too, And I don't pay attention

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to any of that shit, Like I don't know, it's

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more of the like stylistic choices and stuff. I just

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wish it didn't have like the most mid fucking story

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and ending.

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Ever, there was a lot happening.

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Why don't we just wrap this up and get the spoilers.

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I think as far as would you recommend.

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Recommend with a warning.

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Maybe if you haven't seen the original watch.

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It first, yeah, well yeah, and then for.

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This one, you just have to kind of take it

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for what it is. It's not really a proper remake.

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It's it's something that's more like, Hey, you want to

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watch one of those weird ass two thousands slashers. Yeah,

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things were a little fucking crazy.

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This is just like a to the story.

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Yeah, it's like it's a part of that history. But

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why don't we just get to spoilers. Let's get right

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into it, because I think there's a lot of interesting

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stuff to talk about with this, and it's all unrelated

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to the story, which I barely remember. I guess, well,

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we might as well touch on that first. I think

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like one of the things that really just kind of

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irritated the shit out of me with this movie. Early on,

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it felt like the way the story was being presented.

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Remember I had like a theory on how it ended, yeh,

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And it was like, oh, this is pretty cool. I

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can see them doing this, and it's like they didn't

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do that shit at all.

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Yeah.

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I totally like they set up these red herrings in

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the beginning for like these different possible killers. We're going

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to spoil a little bit of the original in this

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just the heads up, like yeah, it's impossible to talk

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about it. Yeah, without mentioning that watch the if you're

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listening to this, because you've seen the two thousand and

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ex so what are you doing? Go watch the original,

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but like, yes, then come back pause. Yeah, there's like

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they set up red herrings. But then they really decide

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we're going to make Billy a character. Because remember in

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the original, it was just basically the name and the

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voice on the telephone and that was it. That was

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kind of all you got.

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You never really saw him too much, yeah, or knew

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anything about him.

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No, they decided we need to know who Billy is,

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Billy Lore Jesus Christ, all the like flashbacks and all

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that any kind of horror sequel. Once you start getting

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into the flashbacks, I'm like, get me the fuck out

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of here, because they did this shit with like the

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Halloween movies at some point Texas Chainsaw remember all the

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all the ones where they start having flashbacks. So fucking lazy.

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I'm sorry, it's so unimaginative, and in this case, like

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what it amounts to is like, yeah, he was fucking yellow,

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hated him. Yeah, I looked into it, and it's like,

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I guess he was supposed to be jaundiced because he

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had a liver problem. Okay, I don't really think that's

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I don't think it makes you look like the guy

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from Sin City. Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned they probably saw

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that and we're like, fuck you like that, like's creepy

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as ship. Yeah, let's do that.

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That was like my instant thought. I was like, oh,

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that's like that guy in Sin City.

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When did Since City come out?

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I think two thousand and four.

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Oh, they definitely copy that ship. They're like, we need

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to have a freak like that in this movie. Yeah.

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I used to love that movie.

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But that was the whole thing is he was just

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he seemed like a normal kid, but he was yellow. Yeah,

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and that means he got locked in the fucking attic.

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She hated him. She ruined her life, yea, like crazy

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like her hating him literally ruined her life.

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He ruined her own life with that ship.

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Yeah, but like I hate the whole story.

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It is so fucking it was bad.

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Yeah.

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But that's the thing is, like you get the parallel

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scenes of him in the mental asylum where he's like

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busting out, and I don't know, I felt like, oh,

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maybe what this movie's doing, it's going to focus so

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much on him escaping and all this stuff, and meanwhile

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the people are getting murdered in the house. And then

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the reveal is like, no, the killer was you know,

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her boyfriend or someone else, And separately you get to

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see Billy like going to a different house or getting

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picked up by the police, and it's like, oh shit,

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he wasn't there this whole time. Yeah, you know, I

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think that would have been cool, but no, Billy's just

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the fucking killer. I think the only reveal is that

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his sister daughter is the other killer. It's just how

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do you like that term? Yeah, that was like the

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only kind of twist this movie had.

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Them actually showing the assault was actually crazy.

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That was very unnecessar it.

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Was so uncomfortable and so fucking weird. I was just

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like so put off.

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I don't think we needed that.

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We did not need that.

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That added like a whole layer, like I could understand

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if maybe, if if in that case the twist is like,

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oh no, it's not Billy, it's this weird like Incess Baby,

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he had like that's something. But the fact that Billy

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shows up and then oh, it's just the two of

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them killing everybody. That just didn't really work, that didn't

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really go anywhere. And this had the seriously the most

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mid fucking ending I've ever seen. We'll get we'll get

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to that.

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Yeah.

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In some ways, it was kind of like such a

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cheap knockoff because they had things like you could tell

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they sat down and said, Okay, what are the really

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fucking cool parts of the original movie and stuff like oh,

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when he puts the bag over her.

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Head with a black bag, or like.

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What about that one scene where you see his eye

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through the door. That shit was real scary. This entire

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movie is gonna be about eyes. There were like five

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different shots of him like peeping through shit. There were

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like secret little holes everywhere.

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Yeah, he had secret holes all over the house. And

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then the one shot was like an after effect shot

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of an eye on the floor.

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Oh my god, when there was a tiny little hole

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on the floor that was like a pin prick and

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then you see his eye through it. It started feeling

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like a parody of itself at that point. But that

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was just so funny that that was their takeaway from

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the original. It's like, remember that one creepy ass eye

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shot in the icicle. This whole fucking movie is gonna

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be about eyes because he also like he gouged their

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eyes out. That was that was the thing now, but yes,

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the icicle, that was the other.

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Thing is like, yeah, that was the unicorn horn that

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was part.

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Of like one scene in the original, and now it's like,

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this is his primary murder weapon.

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Yeah, we had the Chekhov's unicorn horn.

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When you see a unicorn with a four foot long

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sharp part, it's like somebody's getting killed by that. Yeah,

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but that became Yeah, that became his primary weapon. That's

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what I'm talking about. It's like, it's just it gets

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so ridiculous. Yeah, when we're taking these things and just

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repeating them, it really just took like all the greatest

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hits and just ran them into the ground. Yeah.

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Basically it feels like they made a like if they

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made a remake of Psycho, but it was just a

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maze of showers. They just going through shower after shower.

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That's such a good observation because literally it would be

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like if I mean I haven't seen all the Psycho sequels,

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I don't know, something like that. Maybe they get to

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a point where someone just goes into a building. It's like,

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oh shit, the whole building is a shower. Have you

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seen any of the sequels to Psycho? I'm assuming he

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continues to dress up like his mother.

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Probably. I actually don't know if I saw the second one.

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I don't think I saw it.

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Is there only two?

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Yeah, and there was a series two which I did

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watch that until a certain point I stopped.

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I just mean, that's it's definitely one of those things

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where if you told me there's one sequel, but then

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you also told me there were eight sequels. I believe

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you either way.

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Yeah, well, look they follow the money when it comes

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to that stuff.

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Oh yeah. I think the only kill that really stood out,

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and it stood out in a way that was distracting

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was when he kills his mom, Like you remember that.

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It just kind of goes on and on and on

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until he's taking cookie cutters of like Angels.

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Was actually insane. It was so disturbing, like it gets

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like see that can be funny, like that can work,

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but it did not work.

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Like it was just like okay, place, yes, yeah, and

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it just went on for so long. Yeah, it was

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like okay, we're really pushing It was like we're about

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to be in terrified territory. Yeah, That's what I'm saying though,

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is like, well, I think on its own that sounds

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like a pretty crazy kill, but it just felt so

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out of place in this.

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Yeah, it was also shown really weird too, Like I

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don't know, I.

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Will give them a little credit though, I like how

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they kept with the whole like small frat or small sorority,

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the whole thing with the small sorority staying together on Christmas,

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because I went as soon as we saw that, I

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was like, oh shit, were they still doing this in

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two thousand and six? And you told me like, yeah,

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this is still a thing because I always thought of

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like when you think of the nice little house with

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the small sorority, with the what do they call it,

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like the house mother, that just feels like such a

475
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.160
seventies idea to me.

476
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.000
Oh yeah, I mean, I think sororities and frats have

477
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.759
been around for a long time, but I feel like

478
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.680
in the seventies it was probably becoming more popular.

479
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.119
Maybe it's just because of movies. Yeah, I don't know,

480
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.759
but it was cool to see that because it is

481
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.799
like a very specific atmosphere, and especially the fact that

482
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:12.119
like they lean into something that the original did well

483
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:16.400
where there is no clear final girl. As it's going

484
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:19.160
like you're kind of given the same amount of time

485
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.200
and space with every character, so once they start getting killed,

486
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.599
you just never know who's gonna be next, especially because

487
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.240
they go for like a lot of the big name

488
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:32.720
actors first. I think that's cool. I think that's a

489
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.559
fun way to handle slashery when it's not obvious who

490
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.240
like the main character is. So I give them points

491
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.000
for that, and I think, like, you know, I don't

492
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.640
want to be too harsh on this. I think there

493
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.440
was potential for this to be a lot more interesting.

494
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:46.039
I'm not like Anti remake.

495
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.440
No, I mean I do feel like we're really harsh

496
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.799
in the beginning, but it's still an okay movie. It's

497
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.920
not like I just really don't like the incest in

498
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:58.680
the sexual.

499
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.359
Seff like that is just I help.

500
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.960
But I mean if I take all of that out, yeah,

501
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.359
I mean it was, it was. It was a good movie.

502
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:05.759
I think.

503
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.160
Well, I mean, like I'm trying to be nice, like.

504
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.119
I know, I'm just trying to say, like there are

505
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.200
things that I can appreciate. I mean, that's that's the thing.

506
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.119
We're always very positive one here, and I think it's

507
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:24.000
because as big horror fans, there is still stuff you

508
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.200
can always find to appreciate. Yeah, I think that stuff's

509
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.400
worth talking about.

510
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.680
Yeah. It's also it makes so much sense to have

511
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:37.599
nostalgia towards this movie. Like there, I just said before

512
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.799
that one of my favorite movies used to be Sin City.

513
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.960
It is not anymore. You know, I was a kid,

514
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:45.599
I really didn't understand like the content of it, but

515
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.920
I still held I used to watch that movie over

516
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.680
and over. But yeah, yeah, now I've gotten older and

517
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.200
revisited it and realized, WHOA.

518
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.319
No, I think it's just like, yeah, there is a

519
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.079
thing when you're a town to a certain movie from

520
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.519
when you were younger, it could be hard to hear criticism. Yeah,

521
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.880
like we are coming into this in twenty twenty five.

522
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.279
But the biggest like missed potential here is just the ending,

523
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.480
Like everything leading up to the end, when you know

524
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.279
it just fully becomes Billy and his sister and Billy like,

525
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.680
I don't know what. I don't want to criticize the

526
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.960
actor too much. Did that actor work for you because

527
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.519
it did not work for me?

528
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.799
Oh no, I mean no, not really. I mean, see,

529
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.119
I was already kind of like I didn't have too

530
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:33.920
much invested in this movie by the time I got

531
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.240
to end. I was like, whatever happens happens.

532
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.240
At this point, I'm just saying in general, like the

533
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:40.279
actor plays Billy.

534
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.240
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's I don't want to be mean.

535
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.079
That would be mean to say. I don't want to

536
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:46.480
say that.

537
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.240
He's just like a big creepy yellow dude.

538
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.200
And I don't know, maybe it's not at fault at

539
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.680
the actor. Maybe it's the decision to make him yellow.

540
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:55.160
I don't know.

541
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.640
It didn't help. That definitely didn't help. But like, yeah,

542
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.279
the whole lead up to the end thing where you know,

543
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.359
they do the fake out where it seems like, oh,

544
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.079
they were taken out in this fire, but then oh no,

545
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.240
they weren't actually dead except they're all they're both in

546
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.279
the morgue in body bags and they're both alive and

547
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.079
just fine. So it's like, oh, we didn't check this

548
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:16.680
at all.

549
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.079
Huh, we just put someone in a bag.

550
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.000
Yeah, when they got it, when they both got up,

551
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.160
it was really like, where there's no logic to this anymore.

552
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.880
And I think I saw there was an original ending

553
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.160
where it was like, I think one of them died

554
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:34.839
and the other one. They replaced the body with one

555
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.559
of the girls, so when they open it, it's one

556
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.480
of the girls and it's like, oh shit, they're still alive.

557
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.160
You know. That makes a lot more sense just having

558
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.599
them both be in body bags like surprise, And yeah,

559
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.960
the ending, I remember, we were both just like what

560
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.400
the fuck at the end of the movie, because remember,

561
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.880
it's just like she takes them out by like flipping

562
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.720
them over a railing. So he gets him paled on

563
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.920
a Christmas tree, which okay, very Christmas death, you know.

564
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.680
But then it's like immediately credits and it's just like, okay,

565
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.319
so I guess the killer was exactly who you expect

566
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.960
the entire time, and then he gets taken out. It's

567
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.119
like movie done. Yeah, that's uh. There was just so

568
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:20.960
much mis potential to do something interesting and that's like yeah.

569
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.279
That's the biggest criticism is the movie is so fucking

570
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.880
obvious from the jump.

571
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.880
It definitely follows every formula.

572
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.960
Kind of yeah, I think some people probably like that, though,

573
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.839
you know, nice simple in and out, don't gotta I

574
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:38.880
mean much guessing.

575
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:44.359
I don't know if I'd really consider this a family movie. No, no, no,

576
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.400
But it was kind of felt like that direction, like, oh,

577
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.440
let's put on a cozy chritimas horror movie, and it's like,

578
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.759
this is not the one. No, this is not the one.

579
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.440
Let's say that at all. No. I just think like

580
00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:01.200
I can understand some people appreciating the simplicity, but when

581
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.920
you're using the name black Christmas, I don't know.

582
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.039
I think you, uh, maybe we could have called this

583
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:07.000
Yellow Christmas.

584
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.640
It would have fixed everything. I'm like extra curious about

585
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.880
the twenty nineteen one, though.

586
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.400
We definitely didn't see that.

587
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.920
No, and I've only heard people say like it is

588
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.480
one of the worst movies they've ever seen. I don't

589
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.759
know how we can get much worse.

590
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.599
There was a weird transition I feel like, between horror

591
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.440
almost always being horrible and then sometimes kind of good.

592
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.400
From like twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, we made this

593
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.680
transition to where I feel like almost every horror movie

594
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.839
is like hitting the bar right now, which is crazy.

595
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.559
There's so much good art happening right now, and will

596
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:44.960
you love it.

597
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.480
You see a lot of people who just are more

598
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.960
passionate and care a lot more about making horror movies

599
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.880
instead of just making them for the studio. Yeah, we're

600
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.039
seeing a lot more of that, which does make me

601
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.400
wonder what a twenty twenty five black Christmas movie would

602
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.920
look like. I think we would do it.

603
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.039
Somebody could do it.

604
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.000
I think the version that would come out now they

605
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.559
would actually try to like imitate the seventies aesthetic and

606
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.279
really be more faithful, And I think I would hope. Yeah,

607
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.480
I just that's the vibe I get from, like the

608
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.440
current state of horror. I'm not saying that they should

609
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.920
do that, but I think that's what.

610
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.000
That's what's happening.

611
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.839
Yeah, Yeah, maybe we don't need another We're good with

612
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:22.400
the classic.

613
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.119
The classic. The classic is perfect.

614
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.160
It's so slow, nothing happens.

615
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.759
I don't know. Read a book, get that attention span

616
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.000
out of work. Cut that part.

617
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.759
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627
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628
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really sweet.

629
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.160
Got a spot. This like sums up how I feel

630
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.720
about these kind of babies. I put it above Wolf

631
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:39.279
Coop and below Dead Silence. Okay, I think Dead Silence

632
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.400
is another one that impacted people of a certain age,

633
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.039
but I think that one was more effective.

634
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:45.759
No, I think Dead Silence was better.

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