Dec. 18, 2025

SUSTO SWAP-A-THON: Parapeculiar

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Hey, a girl friends, It's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way, I.

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Am still your host, but you are not listening to

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SUSTO this week. Welcome to the twenty twenty five Sustal Swapathon.

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That is right, I feel like I primed you already

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for this. I gave you all the heads up in

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the month of December. I am taking time off from

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the production cycle of Sustal and I am bringing to

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you shows that I think that you will enjoy as

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much as I do. So I'm sorry you're probably gonna

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get sick of hearing this specific introduction for these next

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couple weeks throughout December, but I just wanted to make

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sure to mind you all about what is going on,

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so that when you hear this, you're not like, what

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the hell?

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Where is Aiden? Did he ghost us?

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You get it kidding? I would never do that to you.

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However, I would like to introduce you to some more

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content and more creators that I really think that you

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go to these shows pages, that you follow them wherever

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they are available.

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And yeah, I will be.

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Back in twenty twenty six. I hope that you are

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having a wonderful holiday season. As I mentioned before the

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break started, I listen. I'm still online, So just because

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there are no new Sustal episodes, believe me, y'all know

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some fun stuff to talk about come twenty twenty six,

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which I can't believe that this year happened already. That's

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wild to me. Anyway, we're gonna go ahead and get

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into today's feature. I really hope that you enjoy it

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and I will see you all in the next year.

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Bye.

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All right back again, here we are, here, we are

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What are we talking about today? We are talking about well,

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shadows people, shadow Well, what do you shadow beings? Shadow people?

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Start there?

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What's what's the language, well, Heidi trademark shadow people, So

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I think is that the technical the technical term?

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I don't know. So that's your Heidi Hollis. Who is

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I guess this would have been the last episode Heidi

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Hollis's episode, which is why we're going to be talking

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about shadow people. But also we had a conversation with

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our good friend Ryan.

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From e VP Everything Vaguely Paranormal, We love them much,

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probably will come out after this one.

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Yes, yeah, well it was last night. He came over

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to the house and we recorded an episode, but we

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were just hanging out and I don't think he left

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until almost three. Yeah, But we started talking about his

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experiences with these shadow beings because we had had that

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very similar one at Waverley with the waving, and he

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had mentioned something last night that I've noticed in my

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encounters with these things, which is you'll be wherever you

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are and you'll notice this sort of blackness or shadows

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start to overtake a certain area, and you know that

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that's almost like it feels like it's forming.

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Which I think that is how he kind of described it,

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that it's like eventually kind of forms into this shadow person.

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Yeah. And then so we're going to get there because

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I think I want to know about your experiences and

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how often that happens to you and if it's a

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situation know. But then this morning we actually recorded an

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episode for our other podcast, Rgo at the real ghost

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of and it was a listener story and this woman

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was talking about shadow spiehadow spiders.

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We're just on a shadow fucking kick right now.

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We're on a shadow kick. But before we get into

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shadow anything, let's talk about family. Say on tonight, that

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happened a few nights ago.

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So we're just like doing complete one A. Also, do

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I like sound weird to you?

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No?

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It sounds muffled, muffled in my headphone.

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I don't know my voice.

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No, I don't know. Maybe my voice is just muffled.

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Maybe, but you know, no, it is kind of a

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one dye because that was a well probably it was

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a really groovy time, wasn't It was a wild experience.

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I don't know if groovy is the word. I would

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it was weird as fuck what it was?

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Why didn't you start out with? Because you know, we

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had people come over, some of the Patreon family, and yes.

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We occasionally will invite over our par Academy bruves out

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to the Para house so we can do, you know,

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in person, getting weird. And we did live streaming as

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well for our brethren who are are out of state

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or not able to make it, because we still wanted

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them to be able to participate.

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Yes, why don't you start though with you had actually

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put together a really great way to get things started,

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and I think it really set the tone. I think

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it really got the people that were here in the

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mindset to make what happened happened.

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Yeah, we got witchy with it.

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Yeah, so yeah, lay that out.

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Yeah. Well, you know, one of the perks of having

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people over to the para house is all of my

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you know shit is here, so it's a lot easier

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to do things like that versus when we're out. You know,

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I don't necessarily have like a witch on the go

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bag or anything, you know, So that is.

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Absolutely something we should note down and you should just

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make them and sell them Witch on the go bag, Nichols,

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Which on the go bag?

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Which on the go for the witch on the go anyway.

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So yeah, I personally, anytime I'm doing any sort of

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spirit communication, whether it's you know, some sort of working

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or seance night or even the investigations that we do,

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I personally would love to be able to do something

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like this at you know, at the beginning of every

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single one of our investigations.

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Honestly, but well, I think it's actually something that you know,

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we've talked about a lot, and I know the time

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that you did it that I'm reminded of is when

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we did Stonebrier, and I mean we definitely had a weird,

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weird time there. But yeah, I remember you came in,

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you did that whole well I did it.

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There for it was more like cleansing and containing purposes.

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I did more of a binding there to try to

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help them out. But yeah, so I wanted to do

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I just wanted to do something special and do a

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little intention setting, but kicked up a few notches. Because

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when we're talking about something like seances or even just

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spirit communication in general, whether or not you identify as

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a medium, I mean, intention is everything right, And I

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think really just getting into that headspace of communication, I

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think there's something to be said for that, you know.

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And even when we go to locations when I'm going

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to do a walk or something, typically you'll see me,

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you know, I'll kind of like sit or lay down

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somewhere or whatever and kind of just get in tune

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with the energy of the place.

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Well, it's the same reason we use certain devices and

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techniques to try to put you in a different brainwave.

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State, altered head headspace, yeah, altered brainwave states. So that

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was kind of the intention for that was to get

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everybody in the zone, if you will. So, yeah, I'm

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trying to remember the ex I mean, do you want

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me to spell out everything I did or like what

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we did overall?

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I remember a lot of it. It was a whole

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group exercise. You know, you had the key. Everyone passed

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that around. That was great. You had them all right

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down the question that they were wondering for the evening,

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and then that was all burned with. They would pick

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a coin and put that in.

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We well, we yeah, so we we burned it, but

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specifically when we were burning it, we burned the question,

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you know, releasing that into the ether for the spirits.

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But we did that in conjunction with also giving offerings

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to the spirits. So everybody, you know, put in some

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coins to the cauldron. We put in some herbs that

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are good for honoring spirits, ancestors, whatever, pass it around.

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And then yes, I used some one of my personal

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oils from my collection, like a Spirit Speaks Psychic flying

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Oil custom blend that we had everybody use and for

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me personally, I like to put a little bit in

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my hands in my palms and rub it together and

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then also smell it because I'm a big you know,

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sense senseshoeal person.

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Also, do you think the oils are important because of

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anything other than that sensual I say sensual, but sense right,

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that sensory part of it, like the smell, the rubbing

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it on, Like is that a big part of it

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or do you think it's like the herbs coming together

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to make this magical potion.

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Well, for me personally, I feel like anytime you're able

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to involve all of the senses, ideally, it's going to

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make it more potent and powerful. Like when we're talking

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about doing something like altering our brain wave states, you

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want to try to hit all of the senses right.

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And so we had the music going on in the

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background that's really set in a mood. We have the

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smoke going from the incense that we're burning. We have

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the you know, we're feeling the coins and putting that

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in and hearing the sound of the coins dropping into

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the cauldron. We're seeing the candle light flicker because we

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were doing this only by candlelight. We did set a

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circle as well, and then we have the oil and

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we're smelling that, you know, it just it's a whole,

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you know, all encompassing. So yeah, making sure that we're

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giving offerings for the spirits.

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Which I think also you know, if I'm being honest,

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I think a big piece of that is it also

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gets you in that space, right. It's another ritualistic thing

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to do where you think in your mind like if

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I'm giving this offering, like this is something that's going

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to help, like this is something that's going to bring

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about what I'm trying to.

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Do well, right, And I think also from the other

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side of it too. You know, anytime I do a

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working or anything, and typically anything that I'm doing, it

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is using spirits. And I did actually even bring down

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my personal skull cap that I use and that I

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work with. Yeah, so I did bring that down as well,

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because that's a lot of you know, for my personal practice,

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I work with spirits and it's just always you know,

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I'm not gonna eat even with you. I'm not gonna

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come ask you like, hey, Daman, can you go do this?

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You know, big task for me. Thanks, Like, okay, you're gonna.

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Into a spell I don't know about to give you

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to do that you're gonna.

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Be a bit more inclined to do it if I

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do something nice for you first, right, Like I don't know,

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maybe I bake you a cake. And then I'm like

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if I'm.

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Around and you're like a random cakes baked for me,

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I was like, what did you do? What did you do? Yeah?

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What did you I've made a couple of cakes we have.

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Yeah, And actually we'll get to more about your cooking

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because of last night. Yeah, we did all these things.

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It got everyone in the mood and to sort of say,

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in the zone, in the zone, and we had we

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had a Weiji board down here, you know, and we

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had a radio. So we'll get to the radio in

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a bit, because we didn't start with it. We started

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with the Weiji board and we had a few of

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the people here that we're using it. Think it was

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three people, and we started. I don't remember exactly the

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chain of events, but I want to hit on these.

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So one of the big ones was, you know, like

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we said, we had people write down questions put them

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and they got burned. Well, I one of the people

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that was with us was taking charge of writing everything

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down that came through. We kept referring to them as

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the scribe. And then there was another person here that

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I said, hey, your question that you asked, go ahead

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and whisper it in her ear. Okay, And on the

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other end of the table there's the people using the

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Weigia board. Well, they started getting relevant answers to her question.

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Yes, you know, there was only whispered to and the question,

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let's just also say, was related to extraterrestrial beams, which

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is relevant because of where this goes.

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Rachel's wild, she's wild and she's amazing. But yeah, that's

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it was a question related.

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Well, it makes sense because she's literally followed by these things. Yeah,

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shout out Rachel, we love you so much.

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Yeah.

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But what was weird is that after she you know,

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whispers the question and then stuff starts coming through on

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the board. I think first it went to I think

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we got a yes, and then it went to the moon.

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Well that's that's the weird one, which was.

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Directly relevant and ended up being essentially a direct response

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to her question. But yes, the moon. Yeah, we both

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have done many seances, We've done many.

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Events, thousands, I'm sure since the yes, and you and

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I have talked about this now for the last couple

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of days.

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Yeah, because I've never seen the board go to.

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The moon, which is interesting because the way I look

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at how these boards work and I and I and

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I do feel that that's correct. But you typically you

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wouldn't think there's something like in your mind that is

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almost limiting you from going to these areas that don't

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mean anything typically on the board. So I think that's

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why that doesn't typically happen. But this did went right

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to the moon image, which she's up there, and at

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first you're like what, and then well it was Rachel

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and you can see her just like, well she knew.

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And then after that we asked the scribe what the

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question was. I can't remember what the question was, but

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it was a direct Yeah, it.

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Was actually terrestrial related and yeah. Then immediately like, uh, yeah,

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that's a direct answer. So we're like, okay, so actually

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let's just try this radio, which is so funny because

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that's even I don't know, I guess, an odd synchronicity

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or coincidence, I don't know whatever the appropriate word would

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be as to why it was down here because I

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had set everything up earlier and I was getting everything

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down and I'm bringing all the ritual stuff down you know.

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And I happened to see as I was grabbing the

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board from the museum, I happened to see the little

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radio and it's just kind of laying there, and I'm like, hmm,

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you know, I'm just gonna grab it, you know. I

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just like something was like, it's worth put that down

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there too.

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I personally like using radios in that scene else environment

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because there is something about that static in a candlelit

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room with this activity.

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Going on in all the senses, right.

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Yeah, And I think because of the fact that I

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see a radio much like a weedi board, it is

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just a technology that is a manipulator or used in

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a way to communicate with whatever.

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No.

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I was glad we had it. But it's interesting because

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before we even started the radio, things were starting to

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kind of happen around the house. People were noticing, well,

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you could.

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Feel the energy shift. And that's, you know, another reason

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why I wanted to do the ritual to kind of

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open it up. Because of course, everybody gets here and

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you know, we're having wine and we're having snacks and

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we're hanging out and like we all fucking love each other,

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we're fucking brovin, you know, and so like shift the

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energy get in the zone. So I mean you could

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feel as we're going through all of this, and then

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especially once it starts, the energy is shifting. Things are changing, right,

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And I think it started with maybe we heard like

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a knock or tap or something, you know, and we

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all kind of look like, did you hear that? You know? Yeah, yeah,

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I heard that, you know. So it kind of starts,

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but then it ends up escalating to a point as

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we continue using the radio, which well, well we'll hit

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on that, but it keeps escalating to where we're hearing

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louder knocks, and then I think we heard the beep

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at one point.

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Which that is weird. I know we've talked about this

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a few times randomly. We never really dove into it,

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I think because we don't understand what is happening there.

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But we're not the only ones that have heard it.

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People come over here and as there is this electronic

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beep that will happen in the.

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House, and it sounds like it's like I don't know,

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like maybe the microwave beeping or it's it's one single beep.

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I'm just trying to explain, like it's like an electronic.

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But it'll happen in different parts of the house. Is

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the thing that will move around. And that's a whole

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other episode because I've got theories on that. It also

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could just be like the CIA listening to us.

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Well fucking probably.

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But so anyways, people are seeing things and over by

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the stairs as per usual, Scarle yes, and I think

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what people refer to is almost shadow type beings. People

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see that, So that is relevant to what we're gonna

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be talking about. But then we decided to use the radio,

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and I it's a small handheld radio. It's a ratty.

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It's really amazing.

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Little it looks like a little seven.

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It's a really amazing little radio. If you're into the

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radio thing, I mean, it's it's great. It's got your

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short wave band, it's even got single side band, it's

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got the airband, all of it. But so we turn

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it on and I have it to where I've got

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the tune button going to where it's scrolling through until

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something that's coming through is gonna stop it. So there's

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nothing going on. I can't remember what the question was

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or what was said. You had said something or asked

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a question or something of this effect and then boom,

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the radio just starts, starts, and it was something that

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was interesting. First off, the noise that immediately started sounded

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like again being really into the moon, kind of like

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if you listen to recordings of the what they call

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like the space music that the astronauts have heard, and.

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Like, well, I think that came a little bit well,

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that was kind of in the background. But the thing

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that caught me was the like the garbled like voices

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that very much did not sound like it was anything

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that was English.

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So the garbled voices, I'm that's a tough one for me.

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It's I guess what I'm saying is for me, that's

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the least of the sort of the three things that

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were going on with the radio only because.

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Well, yeah, we'll get we'll get to this shit.

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Oh yeah, But because to me, I understand radio and

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I don't just like radio is because of what we

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do with this, but I actually collect them and we

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have a bunch of them, no, don't we end. So

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I think that could have been actual people on the

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single sideband or whatever. It could have been a lot

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of things. I know, I know, I'm just trying to

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be practical.

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I mean, sure, but then you could discount literally everything

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aside from the stuff when it started mimicking.

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Yeah.

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But but just to set the scene though, because you know,

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if anybody out there is like, I don't know what,

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I have nothing to compare this to. I'm not sitting

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around fucking listening to radio.

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Are you going to try to do whatever?

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No, I'm gonna set the scene as to when you

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turn on one of these radios. It's you know, when

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you switch to a radio channel and it's just a

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blank station and you just hear the white noise that's

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ninety nine percent of the time what we hear when

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we're doing Yeah, yeah, yeah, do that. So that way

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they have a frame of reference, because especially and I

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think the thing that made this so cool is I'm

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so thankful that, you know, everybody that was here obviously

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they've been in these sessions with us before, they've heard

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us use radios before, they've been here, done the experiments,

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so they know what it sounds like. So when we

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turn it on and this shit starts coming through, we're

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all like, what the fucks? You know, like we all

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knew this is fucking abnormal.

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This is what it usually do sound like. So's turn

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it on. Let dude's thing, and you're just gonna get

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the static, the radio static, the white noise as som Okay,

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this is what's typical. This is what we had when

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we first started the radio. But as I was basically

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had tune going like this, so now it's quiet what

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it's doing. When it finds somewhere that anything could be

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coming through, it's gonna stop and go right and stop

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right there and turn that off. So when it did that,

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it was this weird kind of I'm gonna try to

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do it sounds horrible, but like, well, I.

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Can grab my phone and play a little bit real.

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You should do that. Yeah, you should absolutely do that.

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So when that started coming through, I immediately look up

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and Nicole looks at me, and we're like, okay, this

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is interesting. And there was there was these voices that

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were very audible, but they were kind of I mean,

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you'll pull it up right now, Oh, it's very garbled.

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So in the clip that I have, because for the

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vast majority of this we were just being present, right,

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but at one point it the voices weren't coming through this.

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It was more when it was giving us like the

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musical frequencies, like it almost sounds like in the middle

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of it, you can hear like, I don't know, uh,

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it sounds here.

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Oh yeah, listen to that.

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School to kind of the middle because you'll, yeah, you'll

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start hearing the well, get that sounds like a fucking thumbon.

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That's why you hear these whistle tones.

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That is wild receive so you can respond. So that

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is that is what that was happening. And there was

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in moments like sort of talking happening sounds like between

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and it.

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Was very it was very garbled. It almost sounded like water.

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I don't know. But when it first started, when we

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first turn it on, it was very obviously like like

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you can tell when you hit a station on the

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radio that you're hearing shit from somebody else or like

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you know, cause you can kind of make out the words.

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It does sound like distant, but it's kind of like

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CBE radio style, you know, like you hear, you hear

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the words, you hear what they're saying. But this was

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very like garbled, almost like underwater. And it was not English.

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I don't know, It's not a language I've ever fucking

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heard of.

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Well, keep in mind that we are using a shortwave radio,

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which can absolutely pick up from other countries. That's the

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beauty of the shortwave. Sure, but you're right, it didn't

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even sound like another It was weird.

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Yes, And I feel like, you know, sure, I'm not

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a fucking linguist, like, are there languages out there that

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I have never heard before? Sure? But it did not

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sound like anything that I have ever heard. So it

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was just weird.

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Then you heard, I mean, you know, we played that

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a little bit off your phone and you could hear

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kind of the whistling happening. So in some at some point,

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I'd heard that happening in there, which I thought was interesting,

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and I thought, well, because of some of the things

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that have happened through us and the way I've been

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thinking about this idea of a whistling language, and maybe

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that's why this whistling paranormal phenomena happens, which, for crying

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out loud, it happened literally last night Ryan heard it

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a bunch, and then today we get a message from

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an RGO listener that's like, Hey, I'm listening back to

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an episode way back, and it's it was.

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The Down Their Rabbit Hale Octagon Hall at thirteen minutes

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thirty five seconds and right after you say episode and

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there's the whistle. There's a goddamn whistle and it is

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two tones.

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Yeah, So I thought to myself, I'm going to whistle

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to see if I can get this to communicate with us.

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And I did. I did like a three, like I'm

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a horrible whistler put it immediately after I gets made

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fews like it did it back in the same sort

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of do do do threes? So then all of us

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started doing that, and it was responding every time.

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What was like mimic it started mimicking.

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It was either mimicking or it was responding in the

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way that we were doing it to. I don't know,

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but that is interesting because it happened so many times

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and we're all like, oh, man, like these who watch

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the video, we're all like excited because not only have

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we had this session start when we're getting this really

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great responses from the board, but now we've got this

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radio and we're whistling at it, and we'll do it two,

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three times and it will do that back to us,

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and then we'll be listening and you're not hearing it

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until we do it again. Then it does it. So

481
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.039
that was very interesting and during this time, people using

482
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.640
the board kept getting ha ha ha ha ha on

483
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:35.279
the weaed board.

484
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.880
Well that was it was before we started the radio,

485
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:39.240
when it was doing not whole laughing.

486
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:43.039
Yeah, and so that was wildly interesting. We kept this

487
00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:45.839
going for a while, yeah, yeah, for a while. And

488
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.000
then as that's happening, people are looking and noticing outside

489
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.880
there's things happening. Yes, And a couple of us went

490
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:52.559
out there.

491
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:54.799
And after we closed the circle.

492
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.000
Correct, Mayor's out there, he's seeing these shadow beings. There's

493
00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.359
people seeing like it looks like glowing eyes. They say,

494
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.279
what I was out there and experience and heard was this.

495
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:05.559
I don't know the best way to describe it, but

496
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.519
like for exhale, yes, kind of like that, and this

497
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:11.079
is something we've heard in other places. But it was

498
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:12.720
happening right in the corner of our yard.

499
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.839
Well, it has happened in the yard before too. Actually,

500
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.640
when Sarah was over here with some of her people

501
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.160
and we did some CE five shit in the fucking

502
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.200
yard and you had headphones on, you were listening to

503
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.799
something at the time, and a bunch of us heard

504
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.680
the same exact thing and it came from it right

505
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:31.200
next to you.

506
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.720
Oh, okay, so, yeah, that's an interesting thing. So that

507
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.720
that had happened, that was our family sayance night. Yeah,

508
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:45.279
I don't know. What do you think was happening there? Bro?

509
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:46.880
I think that was alien as shit.

510
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.279
Okay, well that's good because I think that a lot.

511
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.079
I mean, in my opinion, again, I think so much

512
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:52.759
of this is and that is funny because it's relevant

513
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.559
because we had spoken to Heidi Hollis or did we

514
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:57.240
speak to her after the seance. I'm trying to do

515
00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.960
mix up our dates like we're always so busy.

516
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:00.680
I don't know we had talked to her. I think

517
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.880
it was two days before, Okay.

518
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.599
She had talked about how, in her opinion, these shadow beings.

519
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.440
A company the UFO experience.

520
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.920
And that they're predominantly what you would refer to as

521
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:16.960
alien right, which I think there's something there. Now when

522
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.119
I talk about alien beans, I'm probably more thinking of

523
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.839
interdimensional things. I'm not thinking from another planet. But regardless,

524
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.119
it was giving these to like the tone even that

525
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.960
you hear it sounds very yeah Ufoian, I don't know,

526
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:38.319
you know, and then seeing the shadow things outside.

527
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.720
Like, dude, what if there's some bro like on the

528
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.960
other side, of the world that just like has a

529
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.279
theoreman and he's like, dude, I'm gonna fucking come on

530
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.640
this station and just make it sound alien as shit

531
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.799
and try to like freak people out.

532
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.000
Well, the thing is is, as much as I listen

533
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.720
to radios, because again, I don't just look at or

534
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.160
use these things for the paranormal stuff that we do.

535
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.960
I like listening and trying to find interesting sideband state.

536
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.599
I'm listening to the airband all the time to hear

537
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:06.079
the pilots. I'm constantly looking for CIA.

538
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.640
You know, Oh, you're never going to find CIA shit

539
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.160
on there, Bro, This is not true.

540
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.319
I can. I can show you different frequencies of even

541
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.799
just like old CIA spy things that are still in existence,

542
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:18.960
that their number stations is what they call them, and

543
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.240
they repeat these numbers. So you'll find these weird things

544
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.519
like current well you will. You'll find these very interesting things.

545
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.079
And on the single sideband you get military stuff even

546
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.920
so you can it's interesting. So you can find these things.

547
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:31.480
I promise you there's a whole.

548
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.039
Con not going to be anything juicy. I'm sure that

549
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.640
stuff is under lock and key, super protected. They're not

550
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:38.039
going to be dumb enough to put it on a

551
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.200
fucking radio station that other people could tap into.

552
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.839
You would be surprised, I'm telling you.

553
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.519
But but maybe I'm giving the government too much credit.

554
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.759
I don't know. I think you are. But this thing

555
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.440
that we heard was something that I've not really experienced.

556
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.359
Really, uh no, none of us have ever heard anything

557
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:56.400
like this ever.

558
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.119
Does remind me of the sound? Remember I played this

559
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.960
for you a buddy of ours, Mike from San Antonio,

560
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.799
who gave us the mirror that we have in the collection. Remember, recently,

561
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.400
he went on an investigation to a residential place and

562
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.079
this lady's mom had just died in the house and

563
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.359
it apparently became wildly active. And when the mom died,

564
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.279
she'd said, I'm so worried because when I die, these

565
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.920
things are going to come for you. Whatever. And Mike

566
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.279
got this recording. He lost time, his own time during

567
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.279
this recording, and it sounded exactly like that. And I

568
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.359
remember saying it to you and you were like, no,

569
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.000
this sounds like a UFO, like toy or like a show,

570
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:33.960
and so does that that kind of who you know?

571
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.799
And that was really interesting to me, the lost time thing.

572
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.279
I think that's something we should be checking. I don't know. Anyways,

573
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.440
I think you're probably right that was maybe something that

574
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.039
it was more extra. I don't know what you'd call it.

575
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.640
That was I don't know, I don't know. Something not human, yes,

576
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.039
and not what you would call your typical ghost.

577
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.079
No, you know ghost akay, like a dead person.

578
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.880
Which I know we're ting to that word nor vocabulary,

579
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.720
but it's just for definitions. It wasn't the same. So

580
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:09.519
that was interesting.

581
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:10.799
It was weird as fun.

582
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.799
It was weird. And what's really funny about this is

583
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.839
because we had spoken to Heidi. You had like set

584
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.480
some rule. They're like no city five tonight because I'm

585
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.160
I and it just turned into that and they're like

586
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.000
whole mumby Yeah, They're like, sorry, bro, you can't tell

587
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.599
us what to do. You know, you can't tell me

588
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.559
what to do. But so then we when we went

589
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.519
outside and Wayne was seeing these things, you know, we're

590
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:32.960
looking up in the sky and like, okay, where are you?

591
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.559
So that was interesting.

592
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.240
Well, something that I also want to note, uh, speaking

593
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.319
of that, and the reason I said that is because

594
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.160
there's the whole Heidi holisies. The word contagion, which I

595
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.240
do think is a very good.

596
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.000
That stuck with your word for it.

597
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:50.119
Well, I mean that's literally what happens. We have people

598
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.960
come hang out with us and then they're getting fucking

599
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.680
whistled and followed by shit, you know, like that's why

600
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:58.680
Rachel followed by fucking plasmoids. Now, you know, So we

601
00:29:58.759 --> 00:29:59.119
do this.

602
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.680
Back with something because last night was just first I hope.

603
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:06.160
So, but we we have that, and yeah, you would

604
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:10.319
love it, but we have that. And god, I felt

605
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.839
so bad because then Denise texts the was it the

606
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.279
next morning or something, and she's like, my seven year

607
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.920
old said she saw UFO out of her window last

608
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.240
night and that it scared her. And I even asked

609
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.519
Denise because I I had called her later in the

610
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.960
day and I was like, well, did you like mention

611
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:32.119
anything around her?

612
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:32.359
You know?

613
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:34.160
No?

614
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.119
And she was like, no, I don't think I said anything,

615
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.119
you know, I mean she's a kid, like who knows

616
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.880
what they where They might see or hear something, but like,

617
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.200
I don't think she would have heard me talking about it, like,

618
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.960
and I didn't say anything to her, you.

619
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.200
Know, linds up to perfectly.

620
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.720
That's just wild. So yeah, the contagion effect, you know,

621
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.079
and I'm like, fuck, yeah, I don't want to be

622
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.839
like walking around infecting people, you know, And then you

623
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:58.640
look at the fucking serious research.

624
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.079
But like they do, they say that they won't go

625
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:01.759
to a lot of life.

626
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.200
Yes, because of the contagion stuff and that it is known.

627
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.160
And this is these are fucking academic people like scientists,

628
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.599
researchers that are like, no, I'm not doing this because

629
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.319
I don't want this shit to fucking follow me, and

630
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.480
they know that it will.

631
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.240
This brings us to kind of an interesting point. So

632
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:22.200
I think one thing I've realized that the paranormal community

633
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:28.960
itself seems to be the only community that is saying

634
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:34.799
something like none of this is bad, there is no demons.

635
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:36.720
Well it's it's I think.

636
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.599
Interesting, a bit too all encompassing.

637
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.519
And actually academia is saying don't go do this. And

638
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.279
when they say they won't go to hotspots, that means

639
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.559
they're not going into these places and quote investigating because

640
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.039
they think and like, okay, this attachment thing, whereas the

641
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.880
paranormal community is they're going to dive in.

642
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.559
Well, yes, I think that's different than saying none of

643
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.960
this is bad. People in the paranormal community, I think

644
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.640
mostly note that I think it's more the spiritual love

645
00:31:58.640 --> 00:31:59.200
and light.

646
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.440
The question then if in your mind, if they really

647
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:09.839
thought it was bad or contagion could be not positive,

648
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:12.559
why are they going into them.

649
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.240
Because it's fucking interesting? Why have we gone back to

650
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:16.920
hell House so many?

651
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.440
I don't even put us in the same category because

652
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.240
I think I think that, if I'm being honest, I

653
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.079
think there's an ego thing in that community that most

654
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.519
people probably go in thinking, like they say things like

655
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.440
why I will banish you or I'll do this and

656
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:31.920
I don't know, or they're trying to just go in

657
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.720
for this evidence. But they really thought that it was

658
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.720
something like the academic people are like, I'm not going

659
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.640
in there, you know, because I know what this is

660
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.440
and I know you know. Diana Pasalka said she would

661
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.960
not do CE five because and she had a good point,

662
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.960
which was, we don't know what we're interacting with. And

663
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:47.920
the thing is, when we go into a harmed location

664
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:51.920
and we're dealing with what we call paranormal phenomena, we

665
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.119
and we admit this, we don't know what we're dealing with.

666
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.480
So here we are still engaging this stuff. Does that

667
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.960
just make us an incredibly stupid.

668
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.799
Yes, probably, we're all fucking dumbass brus.

669
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.400
Yeah. Well, and then that leads me into when we

670
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.799
spoke to Heidi. I don't know where I stand on

671
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.000
her complete sort of idea on this. This is someone

672
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.759
we talked about back and forth, but it's worth noting

673
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:23.119
she has been looking at the shadow being phenomena for

674
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.519
quite some time. She does look at it through the

675
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.039
lens of her sort of religious beliefs.

676
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.920
Right, which, of course everybody's going to filter stuff for theirs.

677
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.799
Now in her opinion. You can go back and listen

678
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.039
to the conversation. She's amazing by the way, right, she

679
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.839
was really wonderful to have on. We loved it. She

680
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.200
was really insightful. But I think her opinion during that

681
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.200
conversation was these shadow beings are bad pretty much across

682
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.559
the board. And she mentioned something interesting. She goes, well,

683
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.279
the trend in the paranormal world is to say not

684
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.400
everything's a demon, and and I think what she was

685
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:03.680
getting at was by saying that not everything's a demon,

686
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.240
what you're really doing is giving yourself more of an

687
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.280
excuse to be like, well, I can go do this then,

688
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.039
versus if you're like this is all very bad, and

689
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:12.519
it wants to do bad things to me, and if

690
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.119
I engage, it's it's doing bad things to me. If

691
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.000
you think that you're not gonna go do this, you're

692
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.360
not gonna go have your hobby of gohost hun.

693
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.559
I don't think that's true, because I definitely think there's

694
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.519
something non human and I don't know if if demons

695
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.199
are a thing, probably fucking demon in Hillhouse and we

696
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:33.239
keep going back, Okay, okay, wow, why we're all just

697
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.119
real fucking dumb brugs. But I think it's also just

698
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.880
a natural human thing to like have that curiosity of

699
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.079
like there's something I don't know, something I don't understand.

700
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:43.960
I want to learn more, like I want to try

701
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.679
to understand this. And no, not everybody has that, Not

702
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.320
everybody is that way, And yes, sometimes it's probably fucking

703
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.039
stupid curiosity killed the cat.

704
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.840
I will say this. I mean, for as much as

705
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.159
we have done this together separately everything else, I have

706
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:02.000
only a very small number of time encountered or experienced

707
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.719
or dealt with something that I would say is on

708
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.800
that level of what people use the word demon to describe, right,

709
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.000
something very negative. It is very rare in my opinion, but.

710
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.639
Not human and intrinsically.

711
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.280
But then Heidi kind of made my brain spin around

712
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:19.519
a little bit, all right, because we were talking about

713
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.840
the shadow beings and her saying that they're all negative, yes,

714
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.480
And I said, okay, well, yes, the few times I've

715
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.280
had experiences with them, it did not feel positive. It

716
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.440
felt negative except for one And I mentioned when we

717
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.880
were at Waverly Hills and there was that shadow being

718
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.519
and I waved that and it waved back, and it

719
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.639
didn't feel negative. Right. She made a good point. She's like, well,

720
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.800
of course it wants you to feel like you're safe.

721
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.320
And immediately, in my mind, I literally thought of like

722
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.599
the weirdo driving an ice cream truck trying to like

723
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.280
talk to little kids, you know what I mean, like,

724
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.320
and yes, what's the they want it. They're not going

725
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.519
to immediately go around. These predators are not going to

726
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.480
go around and make you feel negative or on alert.

727
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:05.239
You know, they're gonna ted bundy you. They're gonna feel

728
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.119
right well.

729
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.760
You know, it's the common thing of you know, demons

730
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.199
will often mask or present as a young kid, you know,

731
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.440
to seem like innocent and whatever. Of course they're going

732
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.679
to try to lure you in. It's their sirens song,

733
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.039
you know, come on in the water's fine.

734
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.000
I'm not gonna lie to you. That is incredibly It's

735
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.079
always I've always thought so the idea of a siren song,

736
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.679
of this mermaid singing me, singing at me, and I'm like,

737
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.320
I'm like, yep, yep, I just I think it's you

738
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:34.960
know what I'm gonna come. It's hot.

739
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.559
It's literally my goal in life to be honest.

740
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.840
Oh god, it's so hot, you know. That's like a

741
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.320
very Yeah, that's a i'm on thing to think. But

742
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.960
I have to ask your opinion, and then I'm gonna

743
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.599
dive into some questions regarding your shadow being experiences. So

744
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:55.199
you were pretty much that conversation kind of affected you

745
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:01.199
a little bit. Yes, explain can you explain?

746
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.159
Well? So one of the things for me, I will

747
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:11.880
preface this my human design right yours too? Actually, uh

748
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.679
I'm sacral uh, sacral generator meaning I.

749
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.440
Could I thought it was sacral. It's better than it sounds. Sacral.

750
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.440
Get strong gut reactions for things when I know it's

751
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.320
like right or true or like what I'm supposed to

752
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.239
be doing right. And I've always kind of been that way,

753
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.519
and especially you know, uh with mediumship stuff or whatever,

754
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.519
Like it's one of those you've probably heard me say before,

755
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.400
you know, like when I know, I know, you know, uh,

756
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.320
it's kind of one of those moments. And usually I

757
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.719
get these like strong gut feelings, and so a lot

758
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.000
of what she said, yes, again prefacing with of course

759
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.199
she you know, everybody is going to have their own

760
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:52.679
individual religious beliefs whatever, you know. Sure, however, I think

761
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.960
a lot of what she said when you remove that

762
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.760
and look at it through the lens of whatever you

763
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.960
want to call it, Okay, God, source, the universe, cluck

764
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.280
of consciousness, akashak records, whatever, or like demon right demon

765
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.239
or just something like language, non human whatever, right, So

766
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.280
through these lens, a lot of the times when she

767
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:18.079
was talking, I just kept getting these very overwhelming and

768
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.119
it has been a very long time, I will say it,

769
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.119
since I have gotten one of these gut reactions like

770
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.199
so strongly where it was just like you know, she's talking,

771
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.239
I'm getting these strong gut reactions like fuck, you know,

772
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.599
like I like just knowing in my soul that like

773
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:40.960
what she's saying just is true. And there there were

774
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.320
a couple of points where like, yeah, I was like, dude,

775
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.239
I feel like I'm gonna like cry right now, you know,

776
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.880
because for someone like me, I've been having this shit

777
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.559
happened to me since I was a fucking kid.

778
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.239
We're gonna get there so real quick. So it did it?

779
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.519
Did it affect you in the way that you're at

780
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.800
the point where you're like, oh wow, I think that maybe,

781
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.920
And let's beak, we're talking about shadow being phenomena specifically here.

782
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.800
Do you think that you kind of align with her

783
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.440
thinking that they ain't good?

784
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.679
So that's a loaded question because we know I'm a

785
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.760
both and girly right and I've always definitely been.

786
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.400
But she's not right. She's very like they're bad.

787
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:30.719
Yes, she's very black and white. Any shadow thing is bad, evil, nefarious,

788
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:33.119
And I've always very much been kind of like an

789
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.599
eye roll, you know, people who say, like all shadow

790
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.800
beings are evil and they just want to kill you

791
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.960
and blah blah blah. You know, however, I do still

792
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.519
think that some of them, what we might be seeing

793
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.480
is like time slip stuff or like interdimensional slip slip

794
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:51.360
like stuff like that.

795
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.880
You know, are these ones that you say that you've

796
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.199
experienced that, maybe don't feel negative, because I will say

797
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.159
this I the only time, and I've experienced them now

798
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.000
in a sort of a handful of times in a

799
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.639
profound way, and they do always seem negative to me.

800
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:11.559
They never seem like it's anything that would be good correct.

801
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.199
And maybe even at Waverley, who knows, I don't Maybe

802
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.480
I wasn't even getting vibes at all. It was just

803
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.079
interacting and maybe if I'd gotten closer, I don't know.

804
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.119
Well, I think out Waverley, and to be honest, because

805
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.320
this is you know, she's talking about this, and she's

806
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.000
saying her experience and whatever, and this is someone who

807
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.239
you know, objectively, yes, she's gonna have way more fucking

808
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.079
knowledge than I would on this show.

809
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.719
She's said this since ninety.

810
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.800
Studying it exactly, and she is getting thousands, thousands, thousands

811
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.199
of emails and messages and that says a lot when

812
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.159
you are able to get stories like that from people

813
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.159
and you're seeing the patterns.

814
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.079
And that's actual actual research, like it's going out. I mean,

815
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.920
we talked about this, going out to these locations and

816
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.960
ghost something isn't really research, like what is is talking

817
00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.239
to experiencers and collecting their stores and seeing similarities. So

818
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:00.760
she's done that.

819
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.239
It's collecting all the data.

820
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.000
Because I said her podcast is all stories. I've not

821
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.960
listened to it.

822
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.840
It's kind of a mix, but anyway, so yeah, you know,

823
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.840
she's talking about these things, and for me, it was

824
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.840
kind of it kind of almost felt like like the

825
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.199
time my therapist was like, well have you ever considered

826
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.239
you might have abilities?

827
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:20.760
You know?

828
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.280
And I'm like, oh fucking It's like that meme with

829
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.199
the lady and she's standing there looking so confused and

830
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.280
you see all the math and everything flying behind her

831
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.400
head and she's like, oh, you know. And so my

832
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.360
brain is flipping through my brain rolodex of like okay

833
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:34.559
in this time and this time and this time in

834
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:36.079
this time, you know, and pulling them all out and

835
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.679
like reviewing. And the one that you know we've talked

836
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.079
about most often is that Waverly one right with the

837
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.880
wave and you know, it didn't do anything harmful, any

838
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.639
of these things, right, and it's seemingly nice. However, what

839
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.559
came up for me is, and I don't know if

840
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.239
I included this in the Waverly episodes or not, I

841
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.119
would have to go back and listen. But when it's happening,

842
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:04.079
when we see it, you hear my initial reactions. Okay,

843
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.800
and we know I the you know, Nicole m O.

844
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.960
What I get shipped for is I don't really have reactions.

845
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.360
I think we've caught maybe two of them. And when

846
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.079
this happens my reactions, I'm like, oh God, oh God,

847
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.360
oh God, Like I don't, I don't. Yeah, I'm like,

848
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:21.400
I don't even want to.

849
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:21.679
Look at it.

850
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.239
I can't. I can't look at this like I can't,

851
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.880
you know, it just and I'm not saying it felt

852
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.400
like bad or anything like that, but it certainly didn't

853
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:30.960
feel good.

854
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:31.400
Okay.

855
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.719
It didn't make me feel at ease. It felt like

856
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.920
this is something like I'm not supposed to be looking

857
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.400
at this, like I'm not supposed to be seeing this,

858
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.320
Like I don't know what's happening right now. You know.

859
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.159
And of course, in any sort of moment like this

860
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.159
where you're having an experience that is define everything we

861
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.519
logically know, right sure, there's gonna be that kind of

862
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:53.880
intrinsic like weirdness. I guess, but I don't know. And

863
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.880
that was something that Heidi was hitting on as well.

864
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.599
You know, what are your initial gut reactions when when

865
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.400
these things happen, right, And it's so often and we've

866
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.840
all experienced this where you get that kind of initial

867
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.039
like inkling or whatever, and we ignore it. We're like, oh, no,

868
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:10.880
this is gonna be fine, right, Yeah, And guess what,

869
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.840
fucking nine point five times out of ten, your gut

870
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.760
reaction was right. And then you're like, oh, I should

871
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:15.880
have fucking known. You know.

872
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.280
I typically go with my gut no, And I agree

873
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.400
with her on this. The times that I have had

874
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.760
experiences with these shadow beings, no, they have never felt good.

875
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:26.920
The time that we were in bed and the one

876
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.480
that we keep calling it tentacles or tar that was

877
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.679
coming from the doorframe, No, that did not feel good

878
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:37.360
at all. How could that that looks and feels very

879
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.519
It was scary, scary. The time that we saw the

880
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.280
very tall one in the room did not feel good. Right.

881
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.639
The times at Hillhouse in Mineral Wells where the two

882
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.079
times that I saw one on I don't know, four

883
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.880
legs or whatever on all fours crawling at me felt awful.

884
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.519
Yeah, And see that that I would like to note

885
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.360
for me personally, I put that in a different category.

886
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.000
I think because I feel like that specific entity that

887
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:11.119
you're referring to is created from us, like an amalgamation

888
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.800
of fear, all of these things.

889
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.960
So even though it was there before, it was a

890
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:19.400
place where people go and investigate ghosts.

891
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.039
I mean, maybe it started out as something else, but

892
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.719
when you see something like that, all you're gonna be

893
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:25.480
fucking afraid.

894
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:27.679
All I know is there's no way to be friendly

895
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.159
with that. It was horrible. I remember there was well

896
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.079
when I did my Lone Wolf there and it happened,

897
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.639
I had to call you on the phone and I

898
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.800
was balling. Wasn't it having a little menty be balling?

899
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.639
I remember when I told you, You're like, are you okay?

900
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.679
How do you feel? I said, it felt like it

901
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.199
was trying to get inside of me. And that was

902
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.440
a weird, horrible feeling. So I didn't like that. Luckily

903
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.079
I did have that and we're going to talk about

904
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.800
this too, but I had that crucifix the Father Lampard

905
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.599
had blessed specifically for me to go into that house. Okay,

906
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.840
So it made you feel like existential talking to Heidi

907
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.360
and we're gonna now then talk about the other side

908
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.280
of the coin of the other sort of opinions on

909
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.079
these these things. But first, and I want to ask

910
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.039
you about this. Okay, we're unfiltered on this podcast and

911
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.639
we're letting people know who we are. Yeah, Actually you

912
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.239
should get some couple of glasses because I'm gonna run

913
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.800
out of that beer and we need some wine. I'm

914
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.119
gonna preface this while you grab some glasses, if that's okay,

915
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.920
But you'd come to me, okay. And this was interesting

916
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.920
after this conversation with Heidi, after the sayings, after some

917
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.000
of these experiences that we have had. I can't remember

918
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.679
how you phrased it, but it was something about geez,

919
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.519
are we just like you know, religious girlies now or whatever?

920
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.400
And you said something to me that I think was

921
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.559
very interesting and I want to touch on because it

922
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.360
was one of those rare moments where I saw you

923
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:53.679
without this sort of tough guy persona that you definitely

924
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.079
kind of keep on. Yep, which is this You said, well,

925
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.159
that's you, that's the tough guy persona right there. What

926
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:01.480
I'm saying is, how is.

927
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.400
That a tough guy persona? Of me saying that's a construct?

928
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:05.679
You're saying I have a tough guy.

929
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.559
Persona because it's so different than what you have.

930
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.679
Resting bitch tone.

931
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.320
Yeah, well that's different. You never talked this way where

932
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.199
you said. I Now remember when I was a kid,

933
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.719
I used to pray all the time, and I was religious.

934
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:25.840
And when I stopped praying, the shadow people came. Can

935
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:27.440
you talk about that?

936
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:30.159
I I'll talk about it. And it's not that black

937
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.400
and white. So, yes, that was that.

938
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:32.760
Is what you said.

939
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:34.880
Uh, not entirely.

940
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:36.280
What did you say?

941
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:41.519
So I can simplified it significantly? So the yes, I

942
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.280
were both Italian. We both grew up Catholic. You know,

943
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.599
I went through first Communion and Confirmation and all that jazz, right,

944
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.920
and yes, So going back to the you know, she's

945
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.679
talking and my my brain is going through my brain rolodex,

946
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.599
and all of these things are coming up, and I'm

947
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.400
remembering all this shit. You know, I'm like, oh, oh shit,

948
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.440
oh shit, you know, oh shit. One of the things

949
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.480
that I recalled is yes, So growing up religious, right,

950
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.480
you're kind of taught to like, oh, you know, do

951
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.480
your nightly prayers right, and so I I would. That's

952
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.920
how I would fall asleep often, you know, as I

953
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.199
would be laying in bed and just doing my nightly

954
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:24.920
prayers whatever you know. And what got my wheels turning

955
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.679
is I was laying there thinking, you know, hmm, like

956
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.920
I know, I used to do it every night, And

957
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.679
I wonder because when when I was a kid, right,

958
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.400
I started eventually seeing these shadow things, and I think

959
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.840
it maybe happened, you know, maybe once here again maybe

960
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.239
I don't know, a year or so, a couple of

961
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.840
years it was very like spaced out, but then it

962
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.800
started getting where it was pretty much every night.

963
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.880
Okay, you know, so what do you mean, what do

964
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.400
you when? What was happening every night?

965
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.719
Uh? My bed being surrounded by these shadow figures.

966
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:01.400
Sometime looked looked human shapes.

967
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.800
Yes, it literally looked like a person.

968
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:05.559
Standing looked like what Heidi said was like, there's the

969
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.039
shoulders and head things ever should call that.

970
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.000
It looked like the outline of a person, okay, a fool,

971
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.639
like an actual human persona just normal Like I mean,

972
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:16.960
they would be varying heights, you.

973
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.639
Know, like not overly tall and then overly short. Correct, gotcha?

974
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.400
And so you know, I don't know if I'm trying

975
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.719
to Obviously this isn't the exact timeline, but it would be.

976
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.159
Let's say, I don't know, maybe first grade I saw

977
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.280
it one time. Then second grade maybe nothing. Then third

978
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.639
grade maybe I saw it one or two times.

979
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.440
And this is when you're still you just stopped praying.

980
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.599
When it stopped, well, I don't I don't remember exactly when.

981
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:41.960
I'm not going to remember that far back. But then

982
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.039
there came a point where it, you know, jumps from

983
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.599
from that to being pretty much every night, you know,

984
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.320
and sometimes it would be one or two standing there,

985
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.519
or maybe three, but more often than not, it was

986
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.320
the entire bed being surrounded. So anyway, I'm thinking, I

987
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.159
was like, fuck, like because she's talking about how you know,

988
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.960
these things want to isolate you and specifically they're going

989
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.039
after people who are gifted, and they want to make

990
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.800
you depressed and weak and all of these things, right,

991
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.440
And so you know they want to anxiety, yes, and

992
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.519
they want to pull you away from your your faith

993
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.039
and all of these things, right. And I do also

994
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.960
want to know I've also was a pain in the

995
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.519
ass even back then. I was the one that was

996
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.760
still always questioning things. I've never been just like blind

997
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:34.320
faith type of girly. But anyway, well, I think.

998
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.239
That's a better way to have faith if I'm being honest,

999
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:37.880
so sure.

1000
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.800
So anyway, so my brain starts kind of putting these

1001
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.960
things together and remember these remembering these things, and I'm like, fuck, like,

1002
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.079
you know, actually, I think it might be around the

1003
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:52.480
time when I started seeing these things regularly. Maybe that's

1004
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.760
about the time that I stopped praying. And there was

1005
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.559
also a time we would have to ask my mom

1006
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.400
about this. But I think I just got to a

1007
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.119
point where I just like, I just refused to go

1008
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:04.480
to church, you know, I was just like, no, I

1009
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.119
don't want to do that.

1010
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.239
Like that scene in the Omen where they try to

1011
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.840
take Damien to the Church's just no. Well he freaks out,

1012
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.800
starts screaming and kicking, and they won't. They have to stop,

1013
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:14.039
and they can't get him in a church.

1014
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.880
Yeah, and I would imagine, I mean, knowing me, I

1015
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.440
don't think I would have done something like that because

1016
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:24.480
I wasn't you know, dramatic. But uh, well no, I'm

1017
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:26.360
just very you know, I'm gonna say no. And then

1018
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.559
you know, I'm just like, it doesn't matter what you

1019
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.239
try to do, say what I'm going to do, what

1020
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:30.719
I want to do.

1021
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.519
You keep pushing, the demon comes out, the shadow comes out.

1022
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.840
Yes, So yeah, and so it was just something that

1023
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:40.159
you know that immediately came up for me, and I

1024
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:41.440
was just like, oh shit, you.

1025
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.960
Know, like, why did that, though, do you think come

1026
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.000
up for you? And I think because the reason I

1027
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.800
ask that is an interesting realization for a person to have.

1028
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.000
And when you have that realization, I don't know that

1029
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:55.639
you can go back from it. Okay. I think it's

1030
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.119
a lot more profound and philosophically deep than you might

1031
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.599
even be giving credit for. And when you said that,

1032
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.480
the only thing that rushed into my mind was something

1033
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.960
that we both witnessed. And we saw this recently, we

1034
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.719
and we've talked about it, but it's very important to

1035
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.840
this conversation. We had recently set up in our entryway

1036
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.519
to the home what I can only describe as a

1037
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.199
Marian altar. Something did not like that. Okay, something did

1038
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.800
not like that, and it's been popping off.

1039
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.039
Well it it was. It was kind of like a

1040
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.760
couple days where things were pretty wild, pretty bad in

1041
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.760
the house, to the point where there's there was a

1042
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.400
fucking metal cross that we had put on the wall.

1043
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.119
It fell off and broke.

1044
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.960
Now look before this, before the eye rolls come and say,

1045
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.280
well things fall off the wall. No, first off, not happened,

1046
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.280
never happened before or since? Correct, right, and this was

1047
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.159
right when we put it up, correct.

1048
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.159
Yes, And it was kind of it was almost like

1049
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.440
there were a couple of days of kind of like

1050
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:53.400
a final thrash.

1051
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.960
You know. This is around the time we started wearing

1052
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.400
the miraculous medallions as where it was.

1053
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.519
The exact same time. Yes, we got it all around

1054
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.039
the same time.

1055
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:03.559
These are important too in this conversation which you're wearing

1056
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.559
yours right now, I'm wearing mind right now. We're not

1057
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.599
taking them off, have we? Every day we've worn them

1058
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.880
since we started. It was around that time and something

1059
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.119
was not happy. It's the best way I can describe

1060
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:15.280
it is that Is that too dramatic?

1061
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.960
No? I mean that that is what occurred. Yeah, And

1062
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.519
I mean sure we've had little things happen in the

1063
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.920
house since then, and obviously we just talked about the seance,

1064
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:28.000
you know, but it's it hasn't been anything at all

1065
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.119
like the level it was previously, and none of it,

1066
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.880
I will say, and you're gonna know what I'm talking about.

1067
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:41.440
It also hasn't had that shift where it just feels

1068
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:42.639
fucking weird.

1069
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.440
Well, I'll tell you, because it's almost like it's not

1070
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:50.079
able to because there's do these things, these things around

1071
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:51.920
our neck, this thing was those things on the altar?

1072
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.679
Have they protected it so it doesn't get to that

1073
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:59.039
point and all it can do is throw little hissy fits? Right? Yeah?

1074
00:52:59.119 --> 00:52:59.840
I mean I don't know.

1075
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.480
I mean the story the medallions in general. If you're listening, like,

1076
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.719
there's plenty of literature on these medallions and the story

1077
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:10.039
behind it. It is weird well, and the countless stories

1078
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:16.119
of people that have had well, miraculous things happen after

1079
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:17.320
sort of wearing them.

1080
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:17.639
Yes.

1081
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.679
And I do also want to note for anybody that's

1082
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.719
listening to this and you're like, uh, you two have

1083
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:22.760
gone off the fucking.

1084
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:23.360
Deep end, have we?

1085
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:25.760
So first you can go back and listen. We did

1086
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.000
the episode talking about the apparitions.

1087
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.440
Let me touch on this because I do want to

1088
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.199
point that out. Anyone that were to say that it's me,

1089
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.000
I would get very I would debate that because we

1090
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.000
are not going off the deep en. We were literally

1091
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.159
talking about facts and things. We are witnessing things we

1092
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:40.000
are seeing.

1093
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.360
Well our lived experiences.

1094
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.760
Yes, and they're real because other people are seeing them

1095
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.039
as well. We started giving out those medallions, didn't.

1096
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.159
We Yeah, we went to the religious shop earlier and

1097
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:48.960
got some more.

1098
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.719
To give out. And it's been interesting for people that

1099
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:52.400
we've given them to.

1100
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.199
Yes, it's just and we did get it. More so

1101
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.840
as like this is an experiment, you know, and because

1102
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.559
at the bare minimum or just.

1103
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.719
Something else called us to do that. I've thought about this,

1104
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.440
and I know that sounds weird, but has something else

1105
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.039
called us to do that regardless of what we say

1106
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:08.880
our reasoning is.

1107
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.199
I mean maybe I don't know, but at the at

1108
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.880
the bare minimum, and you know, uh, ever since you've

1109
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.679
known me, since before, you've known me all my workings

1110
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.480
and stuff. I have Daddy Michael stuff, Archangel Michael who

1111
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.440
I mean since basically I started my practice, I've always

1112
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.320
worked with him. And uh, you know again, like I

1113
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.760
am not I wouldn't say I'm a religious person, like

1114
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.639
I don't want to church, I'm not whatever. I don't

1115
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.840
really like organized religion. I personally think that like.

1116
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.039
See, that's my thing, and that's philosophically. I think we

1117
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.360
need to understand that I'm the same way. And I

1118
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.440
think that modern organized religion, religion and it's dogma, and

1119
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.280
it's hatred, and it's it's picking and choosing, and it's

1120
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.119
inability right, uh, to not take the message that you

1121
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.800
find in these old texts right for what they are

1122
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.280
and and to frame them in a way that is beneficially.

1123
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.920
It's ego. It's ego, and you're killing that and you're

1124
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.400
killing other people's sort of spiritual experiences by doing that,

1125
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:08.760
and I hate it actually, to be honest.

1126
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.280
With you, Well, you know I have my own thoughts on.

1127
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.519
So you know, I will I will happily debate any

1128
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.159
day on this podcast someone who is a modern sort

1129
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.519
of who thinks that they're this modern person that goes

1130
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.920
through modern Christian ideals because I bet you're wrong, and

1131
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.199
I bet I can prove it, and I would love

1132
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.559
to do that. But no matter what, there's no way

1133
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.519
around this. When we started adding these things this component,

1134
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.639
clearly something thinks it's a problem.

1135
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.239
Yes, which I do think is interesting. And we've talked

1136
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:48.400
about this before when we were going down the kind

1137
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.480
of you know, the well, when I was going down

1138
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.079
the demon rabbit hole and says something all that, yeah,

1139
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:55.199
reading demonic foes.

1140
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:57.800
Well again, you asked me during that time should we

1141
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.559
be going to church?

1142
00:55:59.679 --> 00:55:59.800
Uh?

1143
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.519
Yeah, I did. But the thing that I find interesting

1144
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.119
and you did. You asked me this question once you are,

1145
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:14.360
like what would have to happen for you to become religious?

1146
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:18.199
Like you're going to church every Sunday, like you are praying,

1147
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.679
you believe in this, like this is what you're doing,

1148
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.920
you know. And I kind of thought about it, and

1149
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.679
my answer was, I guess for that, it would have

1150
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:33.559
to be, say, somebody that I know in love that's

1151
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.880
very close to me, like you or whatever, or even myself,

1152
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:42.440
you know, gets literally possessed. Okay, like no question about it.

1153
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.960
This person's fucking possessed, like they're speaking in tongues like

1154
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.880
the whole ordeal. Okay. Yeah, And we try, let's say,

1155
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.079
using some sort of witchy practice and some sort of

1156
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:55.119
shamanic practice and maybe other various religions to try to

1157
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.119
do some sort of exorcism, right, and none of it works,

1158
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.960
but this one, Yeah, have the freakin' you know, Catholic

1159
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.239
priest or whatever you know, isn't this close?

1160
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.199
Isn't then close? When I left that hillhouse, lone Wolf

1161
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.079
and the rosary gave me crumbled in my hands, Like

1162
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:10.960
have we not seen these signs. Have we ignored them?

1163
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.480
Well? Sure, But here's the thing, though, we didn't have

1164
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:19.599
various religious iconography on you. You know, I had given

1165
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.760
you that that cross and uh, you had the cross

1166
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.320
that was blessed and like I didn't give you like

1167
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.400
a pentagram or you know, I didn't give you a

1168
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.599
fucking Marie Levo coin or no.

1169
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.400
But I can say that those symbols which we have

1170
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:41.119
from the museum have caused issues lately, very occult, very

1171
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:45.079
witch based sigils the whole thing, and they've caused issues

1172
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.719
that that thing on the wall, like yet that's not well,

1173
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.280
the intent was sane, is but it is occult practices

1174
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.119
like regardless, like it's it's this sigil work that what

1175
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:57.000
it is is it's taking it from those kinds of

1176
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.719
practices are very big on you are the power, right

1177
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.000
and everything that's going through you is because of you,

1178
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:04.679
and you're like this god like that is actually the

1179
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.079
overarching sort of thought process when it comes.

1180
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:10.760
To those practice magical practice.

1181
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.440
So it gets away from this idea of source.

1182
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:15.840
Uh.

1183
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.800
I think that's a bit of an overall statement though,

1184
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.719
like a too broad of a statement for it's ego based,

1185
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:29.559
like occult stuff, because I don't not everybody subscribes to that.

1186
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.760
I don't subscribe to that. Pretty much everybody that I

1187
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.880
know that is actively practicing these things does believe in

1188
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:40.719
some sort of source, universal intelligence, something you want to

1189
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:41.079
call it.

1190
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.800
Why do people in modern times never define it? Like

1191
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.559
they're afraid to and they use the word spiritual which

1192
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:48.760
I actually I heard someone say this and I had

1193
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.639
to agree with it, which was the word I'm spiritual

1194
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.559
is actually kind of very stupid because what it's doing

1195
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:59.440
is saying I have no conviction, I have nothing, no beliefs,

1196
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.360
and I'm saying that I'm somehow spiritual. But what does

1197
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:01.719
that mean?

1198
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:06.360
See, I also think that that's it's inelectional, it's extremely simplified,

1199
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.079
and I don't think that that's accurate. Sure, maybe some

1200
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.039
for some people it's a lazy response, and I mean

1201
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.320
maybe most people, it's a lazy response. But here's the

1202
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.480
thing that's going to be defined differently based on who

1203
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.119
you're talking to.

1204
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.000
Okay, so then let's let's loop this right back saying

1205
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.679
when we would be closer in the camp of like, yeah,

1206
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:28.159
I'm more spiritual than anything, nothing like we've seen happen

1207
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.880
when we put up our Marriyan alter has ever happened

1208
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.320
to us? It popped off like it was like, no,

1209
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.679
don't do this, do not It's basically like it was

1210
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:39.639
telling us, don't mess with this.

1211
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.199
I mean, sure, but what do we have to compare

1212
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:41.480
that to?

1213
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.159
Uh, that's the point of thing spirituality. When they say

1214
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:45.880
I'm just spiritual, they have nothing to compare it to

1215
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.840
because there are no archetypes that they're looking. Because I

1216
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:49.199
said this.

1217
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.039
Talking about specific instances like putting up the marry An alter,

1218
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.840
we hadn't done anything like that for any other.

1219
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.599
But you wouldn't if you were just spiritual because you're

1220
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.599
not subscribing to any of these practices. What kind of

1221
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:03.360
spiritual you fall under if you're, in my opinion, if

1222
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:05.960
you're putting out an altar for whether it's Daddy Michael

1223
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.119
or whether it's Mary or whatever, or if you're like

1224
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.280
the people we've had on the podcast that are putting

1225
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.000
out like Lexus putting out these different things. I guarantee

1226
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.679
you would agree with Like, there's a big difference between

1227
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:18.519
saying like, yes, I'm putting out these archetypes, these these

1228
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.840
aggrigors that you even said are very powerful at this point,

1229
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.159
whether you believe or not, right, because so many people do.

1230
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.960
If you're just like, oh, I'm just spiritual, and it

1231
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.639
doesn't seem as powerful. And I think I've had this

1232
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:31.639
conversation with some of the people we work with.

1233
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.320
Just disagree with what you're saying. I think that's it's

1234
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.239
an extremely simplified way of saying it. Like, I'm not

1235
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.039
gonna if somebody asks like if I'm religious or whatever,

1236
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:41.679
I'm not going to sit there and be like, well,

1237
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:43.440
do you have a few hours to sit down and

1238
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.039
let me go in depth about this to fully explain everything.

1239
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:49.079
What would be the point of, like some of our friends,

1240
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.000
what they do when they're looking at Paula Miambi or

1241
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.920
in these different belief systems and they're going off those saints,

1242
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:59.679
those archetypes, those those deities, those entities, those those those gods.

1243
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:02.719
Why are they doing that? Why would you have to

1244
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.599
if it doesn't matter? This is my point.

1245
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.320
I'm not saying it doesn't matter what.

1246
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.920
Yes, because people say I'm just spiritual, I don't believe

1247
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.039
in any of this stuff. They don't have that figure.

1248
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.599
There is no figure that a spiritual person prays to.

1249
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:20.000
Okay, well, now you're giving you're giving more words to

1250
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.880
this because now you just said spiritual and I don't

1251
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.360
believe in any of this stuff. So are you referring

1252
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.559
to spiritual and I don't believe in any of this

1253
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.159
stuff specifically?

1254
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.280
Correct? Or not even just that Christian religion. But because

1255
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.079
if you say that about that religion, you're saying about

1256
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:36.320
all of them, right, Like if you're saying I don't

1257
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:38.000
believe in religions, it's like, okay, well, you don't believe

1258
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.559
in the the deities of these practices, and they don't.

1259
01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:43.320
They don't typically worship a deity.

1260
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:48.000
But see, I think that even that is too simplified

1261
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.239
because saying I don't believe in religion, okay, well you're

1262
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.400
even gonna have to define that more specifically.

1263
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.079
It's a leaf system based off of structures that work

1264
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.039
for a culture and that they as a believe in collectively.

1265
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.159
Okay, but sure you just had to define that though.

1266
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.920
That's my point, like, if you say things like this

1267
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:10.679
and you're using these big broad words, every individual is

1268
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.079
going to have a different definition of that, and so

1269
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.280
how you might interpret somebody saying that is likely going

1270
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.000
to be entirely different than what they're actually meaning.

1271
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.039
So one of the conversations we had on here you

1272
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.559
and I with I can I think of his name

1273
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.920
if he has to know him? Val Well, Well, that

1274
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.079
great guy. Actually, I'd love to rehab val On.

1275
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.639
Yeah, and so he's somebody.

1276
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.840
Well he used the saints, is what I'm telling you. So,

1277
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.559
but those he was folk Catholic and he knew that,

1278
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.159
and there was no I'm spiritual, It's I'm folk keefual.

1279
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:41.920
He has said spiritual though, No.

1280
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:44.360
We talked about it on the podcast. He even said,

1281
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.719
and this goes with this person that was listening to said,

1282
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.280
when you just say I'm just spiritual, I don't have

1283
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:54.119
this overarching call it, call it religion, called the faith,

1284
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:57.960
call it faith that they believe in. It is kind

1285
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.599
of disingenuous in a lot of ways. So he Vow

1286
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.000
was like, yeah, no, I'm folk Catholic. It's different than

1287
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.679
the modern one. So it's different there, but it is

1288
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:10.000
still looking at these saints as real spiritual beings that

1289
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.880
have real ties, whereas most people that are just spiritual

1290
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.760
or not. I don't see how they can look at

1291
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.519
any of these religious practices and if they meld them

1292
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.000
all together in a way and they say, oh, I'm

1293
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:22.719
just spiritual. They're taking these they're kind of it's a

1294
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.119
very Western thing to do, and we know this that

1295
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:27.639
that's just proven, it's a very Western thing to do,

1296
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.159
to take away all the religions say oh, And it

1297
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:31.920
feels to me like people that say I'm just spiritual,

1298
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.800
they do make it's an ego thing. Not nine times

1299
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.320
out of ten it's oh, I can do this or

1300
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.119
I can work with this. I'm spiritual, I'm a spiritual

1301
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:39.960
light being whatever, and a lot of your love and

1302
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.440
light girls like you mentioned like that. But why is

1303
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.159
that that this big Western thing we think it's right,

1304
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.079
where the rest of the world for thousands of years

1305
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.960
has been like, no, we actually have faith and belief

1306
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.960
in this. Think about that.

1307
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.000
I'm still sticking by. I think what you're saying is

1308
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.440
entirely oversimplified and not applicable to everyone who might be

1309
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.000
sure some people will fall under that category, for sure.

1310
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.480
I think there are definitely some people that say spiritual

1311
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.400
as kind of a cop out because perhaps they haven't

1312
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:16.360
necessarily really identified what they actually believe yet. I also

1313
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.840
think that some people can use it like I'm that's

1314
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:20.800
a term I would use because I'm not going to

1315
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.199
be like, do we have two fucking podcasts talking about

1316
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.159
this ship? Like that's how am I gonna sit down

1317
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:30.239
and concisely explain my beliefs on that to somebody. So yeah,

1318
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.400
it's just easier to say that sometimes that you want

1319
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:34.280
to call it lazy, Sure, fine, it's probably lazy. I

1320
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:36.199
want I want to I'm not going to sit here

1321
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.440
and have a fucking three hour conversation. I don't. I

1322
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.920
also don't like small talk, though, So that's just.

1323
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.719
Absolutely I think that's small talk at all. Small small

1324
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:44.920
talk is how you doing today?

1325
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.159
Sure, small talk like if you're if you're getting to

1326
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:52.320
know somebody or like, sure exactly, but I'm like if

1327
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.400
i'm if if somebody's asking me something like that and

1328
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:56.559
passing whatever, I'm not going to go into it.

1329
01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:57.159
Yeah.

1330
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:57.920
So just saying like.

1331
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.320
We should have some of these people on Vale again

1332
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.880
Alexis again, maybe father Lampard again and asks them like, hey,

1333
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.039
what is that difference and see what their opinions are

1334
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.679
as well, because there seems to be value in having

1335
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.960
these things that you look at because you've instaid it.

1336
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.480
The other day, he said, regardless of if we believe

1337
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:19.480
in this stuff. These agrigors are so powerful at this.

1338
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.639
Point, yes, referring to things like Mary, Daddy, Michael, all

1339
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:26.639
of these saying Jesus. Yes, at the very at the

1340
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.199
bare minimum, they are some of the most powerful agrigors

1341
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:30.760
in the world.

1342
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.280
Yeah, because of the amount of belief in them.

1343
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:33.719
Correct.

1344
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.239
And we have seen even though we are not religious people.

1345
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.280
When I say I'm not religious, I mean I know

1346
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.320
I do not like the modern version of let's say Christian.

1347
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.679
I don't like it. I don't like the modern version

1348
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.840
of most religions. I think it's egotistical. I think it's dogmatic.

1349
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.400
I think it's problematic, and I think it does more

1350
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.599
to get rid of a spiritual sort of side of

1351
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.000
a person than almost anything else. And I think that

1352
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.639
is probably one of the worst things a person can do,

1353
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:02.960
is take part in that. But we have still seen

1354
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:07.280
that something clearly doesn't like when those things are in place. Sure,

1355
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:10.280
so there must be something there, right or am I

1356
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:10.800
just crazy?

1357
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:15.400
Well I'm a boll and girly and I think you

1358
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:20.920
are crazy. But I mean, yes, obviously something also didn't

1359
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.039
like it, So you know, I think it's just going

1360
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:27.400
back to the conversation We've had many times belief and

1361
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:32.719
intention are everything right and whether or not we're saying,

1362
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:38.199
like I believe in the Virgin Mary. As you know,

1363
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.599
I'm super religious and I'm going to church and I'm

1364
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.119
worshiping as a deity or I don't know, I'm probably

1365
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.440
using the wrong religious terminology because I'm not in that crowd.

1366
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:52.960
But versus like, I'm putting this up because I have

1367
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:55.239
the belief that at the bare minimum, this is one

1368
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.480
of the most powerful aggregors in the world. That's still belief.

1369
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.440
The thing would you say, though, as someone who does

1370
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.719
let's say, protections like you just brought up. Are you

1371
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.519
taking those from some religious practice or are you just

1372
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:09.719
making them up on your own?

1373
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:12.480
What do you mean?

1374
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.880
Meaning when you're different things that you like to do well,

1375
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.840
you sage and stuff. What practice is that from? That's

1376
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:22.079
indigenous cultures? Obviously, I don't typically what you so what

1377
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:24.800
you do specifically, where does that come from? Did you

1378
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.599
just make it up and you didn't take it from

1379
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.800
these actual religious sort of groups? What depends on what

1380
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:33.119
you're I'm asking what you do?

1381
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:37.840
Well, Yes, it depends on what specific practice you're talking about.

1382
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.440
You know, So, like I want Okay, Well you gotta

1383
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:42.039
let me, you gotta let me say the words. Bro,

1384
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:46.559
I'm gonna leave you a bad review. So if I'm

1385
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.679
trying to use let's say, I like incense, right, so

1386
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.079
maybe I use a dragon's blood incense. I don't know

1387
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:58.199
what practice that's from of incense for Catholic Well, yes,

1388
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:01.119
it's it's a bit more ubiquitous than that, like stuff

1389
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.519
like I don't know, making my fucking salt mixture with

1390
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:05.800
herbs and whatever in Florida water and putting that in

1391
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.320
the bath. Again, that's not necessarily a specific practice, astro.

1392
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:14.440
Are you saying that you and this is maybe not

1393
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.800
meant to be challenging, but is a philosophical conversation. Are

1394
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.000
you saying that you don't know where the things you

1395
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.640
use come from?

1396
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.039
I mean, I think that's a bit of a loaded

1397
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:30.399
question because these are more ubiquitous, like probably most organized

1398
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.880
religions around the world use some sort of incense. Well definitely, Okay,

1399
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.840
so there you go. So it's like you can't say

1400
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.359
it's just like like shadow people, right. I know. Heidi

1401
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.560
trademarked that, however, and she she might have been the

1402
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:47.920
first to use the specific terminology shadow people and put

1403
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:51.000
it out there in a manner of like written formats

1404
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:54.079
and whatever. We're talking about indigenous exactly. This is shit

1405
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.920
that has been talked about since I don't know, probably

1406
01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.640
since people could fucking talk like it's ubiquitous.

1407
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.039
Well since we know, because we just brought that up,

1408
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.199
that these cultures that saw shadow beings and everything else,

1409
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.039
that they always have said the same thing. I don't

1410
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:08.640
know of one culture that's like, yeah, shadow things are

1411
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.079
good or bad sometimes depending on the thing. There is no.

1412
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.159
There really isn't if you look back at it. Indigenous cultures, Christians,

1413
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.960
I think probably any religion never has once said that

1414
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.720
those things are either they can be good or bad.

1415
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.359
They've always no, that's bad news.

1416
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.359
Yes, just like vast majority of them also think that

1417
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.159
mediumship is wrong and you shouldn't be doing this.

1418
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:32.880
Now, let's actually let's dissect that.

1419
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.600
Maybe that's why I'm fucking haunted and have shadow people

1420
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:36.319
around my bed.

1421
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.760
No, I think what's wrong about that is this What

1422
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.000
they're saying is very simple. There's two ways to do that,

1423
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.760
and we've talked about this the mediumship. There's one way

1424
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:49.319
that's ego based, which says I am able to do

1425
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.239
this versus I don't know what I'm connected to, but

1426
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.880
whatever I'm connected to is responsible for this. That's how

1427
01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.199
you talk. That's your language. I've never once heard you'd

1428
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:02.520
be like and like what's your name that we watch

1429
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:07.199
and laugh about the psychicon TV capudo is it?

1430
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:08.840
Ah? Yeah?

1431
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.920
Yeah, Long Island medium, Long Island medium over here, right,

1432
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.039
and yeah, I guarantee someone like like, I've got abilities

1433
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.319
and I was born with the abilities, versus saying like, yeah,

1434
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.399
I was born somehow more sensitive to this, but whatever

1435
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:21.079
it is is not me, has nothing to do with me.

1436
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.439
And that's the language I've heard you speak with the mediums.

1437
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.720
I don't like the mediums I challenge. The mediums that

1438
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.560
I can easily prove wrong are the ones that are

1439
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.640
ego based. Let's be honest here, And I do think

1440
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:33.800
that's what these old texts are saying when it refers

1441
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:36.439
to mediums and things like that. It's taking away this

1442
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.640
source as the power and making it somehow you versus

1443
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:41.159
you being connected and a part of.

1444
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.760
That, which actually is a very religious thing to say yes, yes, yeah,

1445
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.119
that we we do not have the power.

1446
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.079
I don't believe we do, because even if you're not religious.

1447
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.680
And let's say you just believe an intelligent design, right

1448
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.239
like that there's some sort of a source. And I

1449
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.239
guess you wouldn't. Most people wouldn't. That don't relgious. But

1450
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.239
if you do, you have to understand the very simple

1451
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.359
fact that like, well, no, we're not. There's we can't

1452
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.039
do that, you know, like we can't create a massive

1453
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.239
what this is? So no, I think inherently if you

1454
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:12.520
understand that, you don't understand it. And because of that,

1455
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.319
there's no way for you to be like I can

1456
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:17.359
master it if it's getting rid of that ego.

1457
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:20.199
Yes, and I mean I think this is also you

1458
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:23.239
know why going back to the beach psychedelica, you know,

1459
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:25.840
I was kind of pointing out, I think I was

1460
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:28.279
actually more of the like kind of love and light girlies.

1461
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:31.000
The people that are like, oh, there's nothing evil or

1462
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.880
negative or whatever tell people the well I don't. I mean,

1463
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:38.560
it's you can. There's people in all of the places

1464
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.560
that do this. But yes, it very much pisses me

1465
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.119
off right when people say that, first of all, But

1466
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.479
to your point of talking about the ego in it,

1467
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:54.159
I think something that is a unique perhaps well not unique,

1468
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.239
I'm sure other people have gone this path. But you know,

1469
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:57.800
we've talked about this a couple of times. When I

1470
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:02.319
started doing all of my mediumship training and development and whatever,

1471
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:06.800
I was doing it simultaneously to shamanic training. And that

1472
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.640
is like, dude, I don't remember how many fucking days,

1473
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:11.800
but you had to do an ego death meditation every

1474
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.680
day for like a long ass time because that shamanic

1475
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.199
practices that is coming from indigenous cultures. And again ubiquitous,

1476
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:22.439
because pretty much every culture around the world has, you know,

1477
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:27.000
their shaman medicine men whatever, whatever their terminology is for it.

1478
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:29.880
And I have gone down the rabbit hold looking at

1479
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.479
a lot of them, and it's interesting to me that

1480
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.039
a lot of their practices, a lot of the things

1481
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:37.840
that they do is very similar despite being you know,

1482
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.359
on the opposite side of the world as each other. Whatever.

1483
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.520
But anyway, the thing again, ubiquitous. That's key this this

1484
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.439
episode is brought to you by the word ubiquitous, the

1485
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.720
letter you. But anyway is they're very adamant that you know,

1486
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.159
it is not us, right and even like shamanic healing

1487
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.680
sesshes whatever, Like, dude, I'm not doing shit like you

1488
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.039
are there to literally be the medium. So all of

1489
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.119
your training, all of your practices.

1490
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:04.960
Say that.

1491
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.279
Out of the way to kill these That's why we

1492
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:11.039
are supposed to fucking meditate so much, because you have

1493
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.239
to be able to get your own shit out of

1494
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.479
your head so that way, when you're receiving, you're not

1495
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:19.439
adding your biases and your other bullshit onto it, and

1496
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.760
you can just deliver what you're receiving and try to

1497
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.600
remove as much of our own filter as we can.

1498
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.000
So yes, medium in the literal sense, you know. And

1499
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.880
that's what a lot of that training and those practices are,

1500
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.359
and it is. It's not you know, oh I'm special

1501
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:36.239
because I can do this and whatever, like yeah, sure,

1502
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:38.399
everybody loves a fucking ego boost, right and wants to

1503
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:42.640
feel special, But when when you get down to breast tax,

1504
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:44.000
I'm not doing anything.

1505
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:47.000
When you get I love it because when I started

1506
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:52.640
going down that route and understanding and going away from

1507
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.439
that egotistical way of thinking, it was a bit more

1508
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:59.000
liberating for me than any ego boosts I've ever received.

1509
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:03.600
And I think it is interesting that you're talking about.

1510
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:05.119
I would have loved to see you go through that,

1511
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:07.479
to be honest, Like, I'm so interested in your shamanic

1512
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:10.239
uh training part, Like why that even came about? Like

1513
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.039
what the hell was that? Like it's one thing to

1514
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:14.079
be like, oh, I'm learning how to tap into the

1515
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:16.159
network and sort of call it, you know, be a medium.

1516
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:19.600
But that's from zero to sixty and like two seconds, like, oh, I'm.

1517
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:21.760
Also degregations also very niche.

1518
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:24.399
Shomonic, which I will give you this as well most

1519
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.720
Western people, I guess I say that, like do study

1520
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.520
that stuff. I hear a lot of the ego behind it. Well,

1521
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:34.479
I'm a shamonic trainer. I've never you don't never talk.

1522
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:36.319
About That's why I don't really like talking about it,

1523
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:37.920
because it also, you know, at the end of the day,

1524
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.520
I'm also you know, fucking white girl sitting here right,

1525
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.800
I'm not indigenous, And I will say I was really

1526
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:44.800
hoping when I did my DNA thing. I was like,

1527
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.720
come on, Native American, well all white people. I do

1528
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.960
have Egyptian in me though, Okay, so that's fun and exotic,

1529
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:56.119
but I was very excited.

1530
01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:57.239
It's fun and exotic.

1531
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.800
But anyway, yeah, so that's you know, I'm no, I'm

1532
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:03.600
not ever going to talk about that because you know,

1533
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.000
people talk about cultural appropriation whatever, and I do, yes,

1534
01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.399
that's obviously a thing, but that's also why for me

1535
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:15.000
I enjoyed learning and the people who I learned from,

1536
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.520
aside from one She's you know, Celtic whatever, it was,

1537
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:22.760
people who have learned from many different traditions, and that's

1538
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.800
a lot of I mean, you know, I'm went down

1539
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:26.720
the rabbit hole kind of girly like if I'm diving

1540
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:29.800
into something, I'm bucking diving into something. And so that's

1541
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.479
why it came alongside the mediumship training, because I'm like, well,

1542
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:34.319
if I'm doing this, I want to fucking do this,

1543
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:35.960
and I want to learn everything I can, and I

1544
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:39.000
want to learn from these cultures who've been doing this

1545
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.840
since you know, the beginning of fucking time basically, and

1546
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.000
probably have a lot more knowledge than I ever fucking will.

1547
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.520
And they've been doing it for generations, generations, generations like

1548
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:48.479
I want to learn from them.

1549
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:50.039
And not only that they now I've been doing that,

1550
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:51.439
but they do it in a different way than we

1551
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:53.159
see here in the West. Here in the West, a

1552
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:57.079
lot of spiritual or new age crowd Let's be honest,

1553
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:01.880
it is done through selling interesting things and getting an

1554
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:03.800
identity about something it has nothing to do with a

1555
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.760
family lineage. You're like these people that are like these

1556
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.319
cultures where all they have is nature, earth and their beliefs.

1557
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.680
They are doing it for a profound reason that is

1558
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.800
very different than your typical Western person.

1559
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:21.079
And I think the identity to call to that it.

1560
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.000
You know, we had this conversation with Alexis because he

1561
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:29.159
does healing work and whatever, and he obviously talks about the.

1562
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:31.399
He's straight, Paolo, I think is like his deal.

1563
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.640
Uh, he has a couple different ones, but yes, I

1564
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.479
believe that's his primary. But he was talking about you know,

1565
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.960
in these cultures, you are never going to refer to

1566
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:45.399
yourself as like a curandero or you know, insert whatever

1567
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.079
the specific culture's name would be, like shaman or shamanic

1568
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.880
healer or whatever. Like that's you would never fucking refer

1569
01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.560
to yourself as that. Like that is a title that

1570
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:59.520
other people give you, and they you know you you

1571
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.239
have to like you have to earn it, you know.

1572
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.359
But it's also like, you know, like I can walk

1573
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.720
around and be like, yeah, I'm a flutist, right and

1574
01:17:06.760 --> 01:17:08.880
I have that identity. I guess like I worked my

1575
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:10.720
ass off for it, right. Uh.

1576
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:13.520
But that you think different.

1577
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:17.279
Than like, Oh, I'm a healer and you can come

1578
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.880
to me and let me do a shamanic healien session

1579
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:22.199
on you and blah blah blah. Sure, yes I can't.

1580
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:26.600
I've done sessions, but I'm not I'm never going to

1581
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:27.920
go like advertise that.

1582
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:29.600
You know what I'm saying, It was the point of

1583
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.079
the learning that for you? Was it just the learning

1584
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:35.159
aspect or was there something about it that helped you

1585
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.119
find that connection that we call mediumship.

1586
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:41.920
I mean, I think for me, and especially in the beginning,

1587
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:44.640
it's just it's the learning aspect. Like when I'm diving

1588
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.640
into something, I want to learn everything I fucking can

1589
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:50.960
learn about something, you know, and it's all interrelated. Like, uh,

1590
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.960
when you talk about me, whether it's mediumship or witchcraft

1591
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:56.560
or shamanic practices or whatever, you know, everybody's going to

1592
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.520
talk about like their own form of divination, or their

1593
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:01.960
own form of spirit communication, or their own form of

1594
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.399
energy work, of healing work. You know, all of these

1595
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:10.000
things again ubiquitous, no matter what practice it is, they

1596
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:14.079
all kind of have these things. And for me, yes,

1597
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.319
of course, I had mediumship mentors and I'm reading all

1598
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:23.039
of those things and whatever, but the shamanic practices specifically,

1599
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.319
like I said, I like and appreciate that it's coming

1600
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:35.760
from this essentially a very long lineage of experience. I guess, knowledge, information,

1601
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.399
and I just find it. One of the things that

1602
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:40.000
I'm always very interested in.

1603
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.439
Is which I do love, because you're not taking the

1604
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.079
route of the sort of sorry to be a dick

1605
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:46.960
with kind of the silver raven wolf idea like the

1606
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:50.399
mall which idea. You're going to these real things, very

1607
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:53.560
serious beliefs and practices to understand and not make it

1608
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.039
about you, right and get some sort of title that

1609
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:57.960
you can then egotistically say by yourself.

1610
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:03.079
Right, it's the and you know, learning from experience, you know.

1611
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.640
And yeah, these broves that I've been doing this for,

1612
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.680
you know, all around the world, all of these different

1613
01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:12.680
cultures back however many years and however many generations. Of

1614
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.119
course I want to learn from that. Who wouldn't want

1615
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.479
to learn from that, you know? And I'm just always.

1616
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.560
Well, that was one of your greatest You saw this firsthand,

1617
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.359
to need these people and how powerful that life is.

1618
01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:26.600
You went to see some monks in France and that

1619
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:29.119
that's like their life, right, Like they're dedicated to that.

1620
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.880
That was one of the coolest experiences of my life.

1621
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:31.159
Yeah.

1622
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:37.279
Why, well for me, you know, you're witnessing these actual

1623
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.640
monks who are living on this isolated island in the

1624
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:43.079
south of France. That, first of all, is just fucking beautiful.

1625
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:44.760
I always care about spirit like the rest of the

1626
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:45.439
world means.

1627
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.399
Nothing but getting to witness. I mean, obviously my degrees

1628
01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:51.560
are in music, you know, and getting to witness a service.

1629
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:56.840
And they're singing fucking Gregorian chant in a god damn

1630
01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:01.199
chapel in the fucking p private island in the south

1631
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:04.279
of France. Like I don't know, like if that doesn't

1632
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:08.439
just make it be like okay, yeah, reincarnating on this

1633
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.560
fucking hellscape again, like that made it worth it.

1634
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.920
You know what I'm saying. It's well, there's a realism

1635
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:14.760
that you don't see in your typical person that goes

1636
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:15.600
to let's state church.

1637
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:16.640
Yes, it's not.

1638
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:19.880
These people aren't. They're not concerned about what house they have,

1639
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:22.319
what clothes they have, what designer bag they have, what

1640
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:24.279
the other person's doing. They don't keep up with the jones.

1641
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.039
Is they literally that's their life? Yes?

1642
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:28.760
And well, again it goes back to kind of what

1643
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.520
I was saying with the shamanic practices, that's something that

1644
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:34.279
goes back. I mean, I could look it up, but

1645
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:37.279
you know, the earliest form of music notation was literally

1646
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:40.640
from monks the hand right, and that's how they were

1647
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.359
notating music that was from monks for a Gregorian chant.

1648
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.840
It's like one of the earliest forms that we have

1649
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.439
and that we you know, so it's going back all

1650
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:53.880
all these generations and it's just the history of that,

1651
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.640
and there's just something what's beautiful is it just feels

1652
01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.840
magical that magic is getting this like ancient Yeah.

1653
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.720
I guess that's the interesting thing is that magic is

1654
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.439
still here and it's still being practiced, but you have

1655
01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:06.840
to get away very rare material world to find it,

1656
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:07.359
don't Yes.

1657
01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:09.680
And just like the shamanic practices, one of the people

1658
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:13.159
that I studied from, they make it a point they

1659
01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:17.479
still do this regularly. But they, and you've talked about

1660
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.000
this before, they were going out into the fucking jungle

1661
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:23.279
with these indigenous cultures and you know, staying out there

1662
01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:25.159
for weeks at a time. I want to do it,

1663
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:29.720
learning and practicing under these you know, indigenous medicine men

1664
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:35.319
and healers and partaking in the ceremony.

1665
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:37.079
Maybe direct into why I want to do that. I

1666
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:39.560
think there's so many ways you can. But the people

1667
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:43.079
I've known or have read about that do that. The

1668
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:46.159
one thing that it was more about was not only

1669
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.000
that experience or taking the psychedelics with these people to

1670
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:52.479
have these visions or whatever, but it was getting away

1671
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:55.560
from the materialist world for quite some time. And they

1672
01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:58.119
say that after like I think it's like two weeks

1673
01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:01.720
or something, when you're out in the wilderness, the mountains, whatever,

1674
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.600
with these groups with no phone, none of the technology,

1675
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:10.239
that your body, that it feels different, that it's more connected,

1676
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:16.359
that it's more it feels more complete.

1677
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:18.600
Well, I believe that, and I mean you can even

1678
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.880
go look up the a research if you you know,

1679
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.560
you hear the woke girlies whatever talk about earthing right

1680
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:28.680
going in the standing outside.

1681
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:29.439
Or at least to call them barefooters.

1682
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.560
Yeah, yes, in your bare feet in the ground. But

1683
01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:34.920
if you look it up, it actually it literally changes

1684
01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:37.800
the pH levels in your body. Like there it has

1685
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:41.960
physical changes in the human body showing that. So it

1686
01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:43.920
does it literally changes.

1687
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.239
Well, that's interesting the human body because of the fact

1688
01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:47.960
that here in the West and we're the only place

1689
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.880
that has this. We people that do that give themselves

1690
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:52.960
the title, which means they're giving themselves an identity, which

1691
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.680
means they're feeding their ego. So it's funny. It almost

1692
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.119
makes people like me, who was once and who were

1693
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:02.399
one one an atheist. I think that's where it comes from,

1694
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.199
is seeing the bullshit of that and seeing how it's

1695
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:06.199
all about let me show you how I'm a barefoot

1696
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:08.199
and blah blah blah, and then they're really like condescending to

1697
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:11.520
other people and correct. I think you get rid of identity.

1698
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.880
I think our trouble in the West is we're looking

1699
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:17.119
for identity, whether it's a fucking letter or it's a name.

1700
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:19.640
You get rid of that and realize that you don't matter,

1701
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:22.439
because when you die, your identity is fucking gone. What's

1702
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.800
there is the way you made people feel, the energy

1703
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:27.760
you put out into the environment to the reality, the

1704
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.319
vibrations you put out, the words that the electricity, you

1705
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.439
know what I mean, Like that's it's And that's really

1706
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:35.680
hard for me to grasp because it does make me

1707
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:37.439
think of like what is really important?

1708
01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:39.880
Yes, and these are the things that make me existential

1709
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.560
because then I'm over here like none of this matters.

1710
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:44.880
Well, then let's flip the script. Last night we had

1711
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.520
Ryan over here, right, and he has a completely different

1712
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:51.319
view of what we just talked about, which was, no,

1713
01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:54.079
I don't think that inherently a lot of these things

1714
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:58.560
are bad. But he did go over some really bad

1715
01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:01.199
experiences and boy, wait to talk about those, and boy,

1716
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:02.680
I've got a new place that I can't wait to

1717
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.239
dive into. We got to make that happen immediately, by

1718
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:05.520
the way.

1719
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:08.319
Oh yeah, and I don't think I fully answered that question,

1720
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:09.720
by the way, when you ask me that what the

1721
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:13.920
shadow beings? Uh bullfangirlly, Yes, I do think that a

1722
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.960
lot of them probably just are negative. Why But I

1723
01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:19.439
do think I hit on the four light thing being

1724
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:23.880
maybe created but yeah, the time slip like interdimensional or

1725
01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:25.800
maybe I did answer that and I just don't remember.

1726
01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:26.640
I don't fucking know.

1727
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.479
Why do you think? How do I put the question?

1728
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.039
Why do you think that they're inherently bad? And if so,

1729
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.960
why does that mean that the shadow dark beings are

1730
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:40.520
bad looking or the other things that are that we're

1731
01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:44.319
experiencing are somehow not bad? Is that our Western way

1732
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:46.239
of being? Like, oh, look, it's dark. It's bad like

1733
01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:50.000
we've always done, like think about that philosophically. Why are

1734
01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:52.439
the shadow people bad? But the other phenomenon is not?

1735
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.079
Well, I mean, if you look at you want to

1736
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:58.239
talk about culturally, right, typically even if you look at

1737
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:01.840
you know, the bright light that's typically associated with the

1738
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:05.640
angelic like divine beings, and you know the the you know,

1739
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:11.640
uh like shadowy right, the super black you know that's

1740
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:17.880
typically yeah, iky, what is just associated with like evil

1741
01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:18.439
and the fairies?

1742
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:18.600
Now?

1743
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:22.760
Could it just simply be you know, sunlight and nighttime

1744
01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:26.039
and going back to survival instincts fight or flight? Right? Like,

1745
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:30.199
is this just simply human evolution at play here? Fucking

1746
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.319
probably to be honest, but.

1747
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.279
Maybe because the darker something is you can't see in that,

1748
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:37.199
you know, like maybe there.

1749
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.159
Is Well it's just scary. It's our lizard brains fight

1750
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:42.359
or flight, right, that's literally our fucking like the job,

1751
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.880
you know, like stay safe, right.

1752
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.239
Yeah, But regardless, I will say that in these instances

1753
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:52.880
for those that are listening that have seen shadow beings, yeah,

1754
01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.479
I don't know that I've ever talked to someone that

1755
01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:57.239
can say, oh, yeah, I was real positive, Like I

1756
01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:59.439
weren't a party hat and like, yeah, you.

1757
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:02.560
Know, it's it's just weird. And I think to I

1758
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:04.920
think you asked this question about you know, why do

1759
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.359
I think that they're all just bad? I think it's

1760
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.399
going to one of the points that Heidi made was

1761
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:15.640
look at your intrinsic reactions and your gut reactions, those

1762
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:21.880
gut responses when you see them, right and YaST majority

1763
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:25.359
of the time it did not feel fucking good. Like

1764
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:28.039
it did not it. I will say I don't know

1765
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.039
that I've uh, maybe a couple times because I've had

1766
01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:34.640
a lot of fucking experiences with this these things. Maybe

1767
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:36.880
a couple of times it was like fucking scary, but

1768
01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:38.680
majority of the time, you know, it's not like I

1769
01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:41.399
see it and I'm like, oh, I'm shaking to my boots,

1770
01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:41.720
you know.

1771
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:47.119
But I mean, look, I hate spiders, but if you

1772
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:48.960
were going to make me deal with them every day,

1773
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:51.000
every hour, eventually they won't.

1774
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.560
Yeah, you become desensitized. I mean yeah probably. But I

1775
01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:57.439
mean also to be fair like my personality that I'm

1776
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.960
just generally not that way, you know what I'm saying,

1777
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:08.319
big dick energy, Uh sure, I actually I do have

1778
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:11.760
a coffee mug that sets up yeah, big dick energy. Yeah,

1779
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:12.439
I love using it.

1780
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:13.840
I need to get a coffee mug made. It's like

1781
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:15.399
big shadow energy, big.

1782
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.760
Shadow energy, big big shadow people energy.

1783
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:17.880
No.

1784
01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:20.079
It is interesting though, because these things you know, so

1785
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.159
that I have to ask you though, that's the big

1786
01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:26.600
question is what if this other phenomenon that we're engaging with.

1787
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:28.880
And I'm not making a statement, I'm asking a question,

1788
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:30.960
but what if this other phenomenon that we're engaging with

1789
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.279
presents itself it's not as a shadow being? But what

1790
01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:38.680
makes us understand and know that it absolutely is not

1791
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:41.600
the same because it goes back to that predator here

1792
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:45.199
in the in the world the Ted Bundy people didn't

1793
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.279
know because it presented itself in such way right that

1794
01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:48.800
was safe.

1795
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:50.880
And I don't think that there is an answer to

1796
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:54.600
that because we've literally watched these things shape shift. And

1797
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.119
I do believe that a lot of this phenomena it's

1798
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:02.359
going to present in a manner that I don't I

1799
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:04.039
don't know if like saying that we will best be

1800
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:06.880
able to receive it or whatever manner that they want

1801
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:12.119
to present in. You know, can of shadow being shape

1802
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:15.920
shift into being a full fucking apparition. I don't fucking know,

1803
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:20.399
maybe fucking maybe have I literally watched them shape shift

1804
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:24.439
before my eyes? Like, yes, we both have. You know,

1805
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:27.000
we've watched them moving. Now, granted it was all to

1806
01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:29.920
other like shadow things, But I don't know who's to say,

1807
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:32.039
like the little sparkles that we see around the house,

1808
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:35.279
aren't the saying that I don't fucking no, no, who

1809
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:36.119
fucking knows.

1810
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:40.000
Well the only yeah, yeah, but it is interesting that

1811
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:41.800
you have this other camp. So when we talked to

1812
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:45.760
Ryan last night, I'm willing to bet sure he would

1813
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.760
say some are good, some are bad, and I'm probably

1814
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:55.600
in line with that. However, duh. If we as people

1815
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.640
that do this, this is I think that the philosophical

1816
01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.399
question I would ask, if we understand that the majority

1817
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.359
of these things that we're dealing with are bad in

1818
01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:07.079
the spiritual way that we cannot contain, we cannot understand,

1819
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:14.279
we can probably not actually, uh, combat is the issue

1820
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.039
with admitting how bad it is the fact that we

1821
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.319
at that point need to understand that. Only an idiot

1822
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:22.960
then would say, well, I'm gonna go after it, because

1823
01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:24.319
we still want to keep going after you know what,

1824
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:25.640
I'm trying to get it like I hope I worded

1825
01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:26.199
that right, Like.

1826
01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:30.319
I don't know, but uh yeah, I don't know. But

1827
01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:33.079
like I said in the beginning, are we all just

1828
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.960
dumbossed fucking brugs going around doing the shit? And we're real,

1829
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:38.479
just real fucking dumb Probably, aren't you think?

1830
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:38.600
So?

1831
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:43.640
Fucking probably? Really, the fucking science bros And the academic

1832
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:45.680
bros Are like, no, I'm not going near this, well.

1833
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.439
Not just not even that, but everyone away from the

1834
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:50.920
Western culture is that No, Yes, And here we are like, aha,

1835
01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:52.399
I'm gonna put on a black T shirt and kick

1836
01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:52.960
down doors.

1837
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:57.680
Yes, you know, so are we stupid? Fucking Probably that's

1838
01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:00.760
why we're not you know, fucking doc or it's teaching

1839
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.960
a goddamn universities or in labs doing research.

1840
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:07.279
We are bruvs with the paranormal podcast, Yeah, who go

1841
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:10.840
into haunted locations and we wander and ask ourselves what

1842
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.319
could it be that's attached to us? Why is the whistling?

1843
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:16.399
Why is this happening? And literally for thousands of yours

1844
01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:18.880
cultures have been telling us what it is. And now

1845
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.319
I'm not saying this isn't definitely, I'm literally asking questions.

1846
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:23.760
It has been a weird shift for me because not

1847
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:27.159
in a way of identity or knowing or understanding, but

1848
01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:31.079
in a way of asking myself questions of you know,

1849
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:37.359
are we interacting with some things that whole boy could

1850
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:38.039
be really bad?

1851
01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:38.359
Well?

1852
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:41.359
Sure, all this shit does is open up more questions

1853
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:42.239
than answer.

1854
01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:45.720
Here's the other question. If you don't believe in it,

1855
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:47.960
then what Well?

1856
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.119
I think that goes to a point you made earlier

1857
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:52.720
of you know, these religious texts either kind of like

1858
01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:54.680
let it be or whatever you said, or maybe it

1859
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.039
was in the RGO episode, I don't fucking remember. But

1860
01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.920
when you're not putting energy or acknowledgment to it, does

1861
01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:05.119
it just dissipate and go away? You know? Like I

1862
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:06.880
think that there's something to be said for that, and

1863
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.880
we've literally seen it in action so many times by

1864
01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:12.720
the people who don't have any experiences or whatever because

1865
01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.399
they're not putting any stock into it.

1866
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:18.079
Well, then the other question for me is these invisible forces,

1867
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:20.520
I'll call them that, which is a weird thing to say,

1868
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:24.680
but are they still affecting the lives and the reality

1869
01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:27.960
of non believers of atheists, Like when they say that

1870
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.039
there's this war of good and evil going on that

1871
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:32.039
we can't see that's invisible, which at this point I

1872
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:33.439
do firmly believe there is.

1873
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:34.720
I do think so too.

1874
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.560
Is it affecting the lives of non believers, of the

1875
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:42.000
atheists who thinks that that's all just stupid and that

1876
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:45.159
thousands of years of cultures and people and philosophy are

1877
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.319
wrong and they're right because they grew up in fucking

1878
01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:47.960
the village of New.

1879
01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:49.960
York, Right, Yes, well, I think so. And I mean

1880
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.760
I think if you are on the spectrum of you know,

1881
01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:55.239
and when we say good and evil, I'm not necessarily saying,

1882
01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.199
you know, angels and demons are adding any sort of

1883
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:02.680
religious context or whatever, right exactly. But you know, if

1884
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:08.079
there are things that are inherently negative, Yes, it's every action,

1885
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.680
there's an opposite and equal reaction, right, like the fucking

1886
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.079
laws of goddamn science or whatever. So there's going to

1887
01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:16.800
be the other end, which is good, right. Or you know,

1888
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:18.319
if you believe in good, there's going to be the

1889
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:21.800
opposite end, which is bad. Right. So if you believe

1890
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:27.880
this to be true, operating under that belief, yes, of

1891
01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.439
course it's affecting the people who don't fucking believe in

1892
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:32.680
this you're still living in this material fucking world.

1893
01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.760
So you're thinking that they're looking at things just in

1894
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.600
a different language and symbology and making it make sense

1895
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:41.159
to them, even though it's still the same thing that's

1896
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:42.000
affecting their lives.

1897
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:44.520
Uh, well, I think it would fall more under the

1898
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:45.760
category of ignorance.

1899
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:50.439
Okay, So this begs the question just as a personal

1900
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:57.880
opinion here, do you think the idea of atheism in

1901
01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:01.880
general or not believing in any of this or only

1902
01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:05.600
believing in materialist viewpoints thoughts?

1903
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:09.880
Do you think it's I mean, I don't. I think

1904
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.640
I think it's a bit silly because I'm like, even

1905
01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:15.560
atheism even saying I don't believe in anything, that's still

1906
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:18.760
a beliefs belief that's still a belief, you know. And

1907
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:21.560
I mean I guess again. You know, identity. They've given

1908
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:23.640
it a title, they've given it something that they're willing

1909
01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:25.479
to identify with.

1910
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:30.880
The always angry. They're more literally more angry than everyone's stupid.

1911
01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:35.640
I know what I'm Here's what's funny everyone exactly is.

1912
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:38.520
It's just so funny though, because when you look at

1913
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:41.640
take the spiritual aspect out of it. I'm talking to

1914
01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:43.560
somebody you believe was Eric. Actually he was like, I

1915
01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:45.079
don't know. I think I'm still an atheist. I'm like, well,

1916
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.239
ask yourself a question, like have you ever heard the

1917
01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:52.399
Fibonacci sequence, the golden ratio? Yah, this is all found

1918
01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.159
in nature. It's very clear when we look at science

1919
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.199
and we look at sort of what we know from

1920
01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:01.800
quantum physics and mechanics, like, there's very clearly a design.

1921
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:06.199
It's funny atheists and material as scientists they say miracles

1922
01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:09.840
are bullshit except one. They want you to believe in

1923
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:10.520
one miracle.

1924
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:14.039
Yes, how all of this was curiated out of nowhere.

1925
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:15.159
They're okay, that's the miracle.

1926
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:18.039
It can't happen. None of it's true, none of it exists.

1927
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:20.000
I guess I guess this one's fine.

1928
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:22.119
That's kind of but.

1929
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.279
It's like even that stuff, okay, and then you can

1930
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:26.399
go down the rabbit hole. Okay, Well, there's people who've

1931
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:28.600
cured themselves of fucking cancer. Explain that.

1932
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:31.479
Hold on, No, we done here on paraculear. No, not doctors,

1933
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.960
and we do not advocate. I don't know any weird

1934
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:35.680
cures or whatever.

1935
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:39.159
You're right, well, I mean, it's just they don't they

1936
01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:41.560
don't have explanations for that. And like, I can say

1937
01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.039
this if I worked in the fucking medical industry.

1938
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:45.600
What is the years wildest thing you've seen in that

1939
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:47.079
regard and why do you think it happened?

1940
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:51.119
Yes, people curing themselves of cancers, like literally, people getting

1941
01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:55.000
diagnoses of like stage four terminal whatever, because.

1942
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.039
The skeptic would say to you, Okay, the cancer just

1943
01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:59.479
went into remission. They didn't cure themselves. What are your

1944
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:01.159
thoughts now? I I have heard studies of people that

1945
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:05.239
Morgan Knutsen came on the podcast early on when the

1946
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:08.000
podcast was around, and she told me about a study

1947
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:11.239
of people that had cancer who were tasked to draw

1948
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:15.079
their illness. The ones that drove dow as smaller apparently

1949
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:16.680
got better. The ones that drew bigger. Now that's an

1950
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:18.600
interesting study. I don't know much enough about.

1951
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:20.800
Well. I think that makes perfect sense to me because

1952
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:22.800
there've also been studies done like the you know, if

1953
01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:24.800
you're having shit going on in brain, write it down

1954
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.000
and burn it because you're making it tangible and it does.

1955
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.600
It does something so our fucking brains control our entire body.

1956
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.079
If you're sitting here saying like, oh my god, I

1957
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:35.680
have that I'm gonna die blah blah blah blah blah. Right, Well,

1958
01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.680
it's like the hypochondric who's always yes, what's gonna fucking happen?

1959
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:41.840
You know? But and I will say the thing across

1960
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.119
the board. From all these people that I interacted with,

1961
01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:47.000
and the remission, I don't know, I don't still know them,

1962
01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:50.640
I didn't keep up with them. So is that a possibility? Sure,

1963
01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:54.199
of course I cannot definitively answer that. However, every single

1964
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:55.960
person that I talked to that I heard a story

1965
01:35:56.039 --> 01:36:00.000
like that from every single one of them. The common

1966
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:02.319
themes where they were like, well I just told myself,

1967
01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.520
you know, actually like no, and it's gonna go away,

1968
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:09.960
and this is it's gonna I'm gonna be fine and laughter.

1969
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:12.800
They said that they made it a point that literally

1970
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:17.359
everything they were watching, listening to interactions to anybody in

1971
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:21.880
their life that was not bringing joy, love, laughter, positivity

1972
01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:25.159
immediately cut out and they would watch like comedy specials.

1973
01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.600
They would go to comedy clubs, watching funny movies, just

1974
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:32.600
constant like laughter, right to keep themselves in that vibrational stage. Okay,

1975
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.239
So that begs it joy ah.

1976
01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:37.800
Begs a wild question, and I do have to say this.

1977
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:39.279
I'm just gonna say this right now because I was

1978
01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:40.640
just thinking it, so it's gonna come out of my

1979
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:43.319
mouth hole. But one of the things I love about

1980
01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:49.000
you most is I love how philosophical and smart you are.

1981
01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:51.720
You think about this in a way different way than

1982
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.399
most people that do the things you do do and

1983
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.680
I love that about you. And I think you're very smart.

1984
01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:57.439
That's the word for you know, intel.

1985
01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:00.600
If we both think about things weird, yes we do.

1986
01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:03.039
So that brings up a good point. You're talking about

1987
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:07.199
watching comedies right to get in this mode. How much

1988
01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:12.199
do you think art can impact us spiritually? And if

1989
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:15.239
you do think it can at all, should everything then

1990
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:18.239
be positive and funny and and versus like I don't know,

1991
01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:21.880
like death metal. You know, we know there's a different

1992
01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:24.159
scientifically from listening to that music than classical music.

1993
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:26.680
Well, sure, but I think that's all again, it's going

1994
01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:29.720
to be individual, right, and the meaning that that individual

1995
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:30.800
is attaching to it.

1996
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:33.199
No, No, I think I could be wrong here, So

1997
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:35.840
anyone that's listening check this, but I think they've done studies.

1998
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:37.760
And like heavy metal music, which I love, by the way,

1999
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:43.159
does something that makes you more anxious, more angry, negative.

2000
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.199
It's not the same as classical.

2001
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.680
And are these are you can you get into psychological

2002
01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:53.359
principles of these, right, like the the meter of something,

2003
01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:57.159
because classical music can do it too, but the like

2004
01:37:57.199 --> 01:37:59.359
the tempo that something's going at, if it's super fast

2005
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:01.079
and super rapid, like people can do it. You can

2006
01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:02.399
actually do it with the way that you're speaking in

2007
01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:03.840
your voice and I'm going and I'm not sopping, and

2008
01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:06.680
there's no there's no sentences, and you know, it's like

2009
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:10.720
that literally is done to induce anxiety. It's like literally

2010
01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:13.439
like good experiment. When you're watching movies, listen to the

2011
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.439
fucking soundtracks, Well, you know what's happening, and you know

2012
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:19.880
what's coming because of the music, because they all of

2013
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.760
these different things, the cadences though, whether it's major, whether

2014
01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:25.760
it's minor, the chords that they're using, the frequencies right,

2015
01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:31.840
the chords frequencies. Yes, all of these things will be

2016
01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:37.439
done intentionally to elicit different emotions.

2017
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.720
An emotional response. And I think there's something interesting about

2018
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.960
that because people don't realize this. When it comes to film, especially,

2019
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:45.039
audio is the hugest part when you're watching a movie.

2020
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.479
If the audio is bad, it's fucked. Yeah, it's fucked,

2021
01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:50.800
you know, But it has to have that. So that's interesting.

2022
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:54.800
It's a tactile thing. So do you think, though, that

2023
01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:59.800
something like that could let some of these negative things

2024
01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:02.840
come into your life? Could the art? You could say that.

2025
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:05.479
It's a deep conversation because I do wonder this, like

2026
01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:10.039
the difference between someone's brain mental state, spiritual state that

2027
01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:14.920
only listens to classical music versus something like modern.

2028
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:19.439
Sure, but again there are some classical pieces that are

2029
01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:22.199
gonna do that as well, like listen, go listen to

2030
01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:25.640
a fucking rock mode and off piano concerto. Okay, he

2031
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:30.079
was the og fucking emo, let me tell you. But anyway,

2032
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.880
if you ever listened to that, like, it's yes, yes,

2033
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:36.720
in classically there's classical music that can do that effect,

2034
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:37.560
like or.

2035
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:38.760
Is it on a different scale?

2036
01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:43.920
Well every more? First of all, everything's subjective, but I

2037
01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:46.880
think it's gonna come down more to like what what

2038
01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:51.079
you're trying to get at here. Everybody's gonna sign different

2039
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:54.000
individual meanings to things like I don't know, for most people,

2040
01:39:54.359 --> 01:39:56.720
they love lilies and the smell of lilies, and you know,

2041
01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:58.840
if somebody brings them. Lilies are be like, oh my god,

2042
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.000
what beautiful blah blah blah. Lilies to me are my

2043
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:05.479
signifier for fucking death. Okay, when I smell lilies, that

2044
01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:07.720
means somebody is gonna die. I discovered that when I

2045
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.079
was working in the medical industry, and that's how I know.

2046
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:13.079
Oh really, yes, we never talked about this, so we

2047
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:14.720
are going to derail this, Like what did that? What

2048
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:15.000
was that?

2049
01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:15.159
Like?

2050
01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:15.800
What was that?

2051
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:19.000
Yes, it would happen when I would be taking patients.

2052
01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:21.920
And this was long before I ever figured out the

2053
01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:25.279
whole medium thing and had my therapy, you know. Yes,

2054
01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:30.119
it was. I would take patients back and you know,

2055
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:32.880
do their work up whatever, and sometimes I would get

2056
01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:36.520
this very overwhelming smell of Lili's right the clare sentence,

2057
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:40.880
and every.

2058
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:41.880
Time, yeah, it would die.

2059
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:46.680
Yes, we would get a call. Usually it woually it

2060
01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:48.039
would be a few weeks later.

2061
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:50.239
Really a few weeks, but you knew that something was

2062
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.439
in then that was takeing. I didn't.

2063
01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:54.800
I didn't know at the time, and still I until

2064
01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:56.720
I started, because you know, we kind of did a

2065
01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:58.760
little bit of everything, and so sometimes I would answer

2066
01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:01.520
the phones, you know, and yeah, the amount of calls

2067
01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:03.920
we would get of like, hey, just calling to notify

2068
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:06.239
you so and so passed away whatever. Right, And then

2069
01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:07.840
obviously you know I have access, I pull up their

2070
01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:09.199
charts and then I'm looking at the nose. I'm like,

2071
01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:10.920
oh shit, I took this person back, like, I did

2072
01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.760
their work up. I did. Oh fuck, Like, I'm pretty

2073
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.960
sure this was the person that I was smelling, you know.

2074
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:18.279
And so then I start seeing these patterns, and it

2075
01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:22.920
happened on enough occasions that I was like, this is

2076
01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:26.039
not just a coincidence.

2077
01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:27.039
Not just a coincidence.

2078
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.399
So that's how that came about. And that's how I

2079
01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:32.640
ended up noticing that pattern that was from when I

2080
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:35.199
was working in the medical industry.

2081
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:39.439
Yeah, did you work in the medical industry after you

2082
01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.720
had done some training in the shamanic healing side of things?

2083
01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.760
No, this was all prior. This was all prior.

2084
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:51.560
And do you think how much do you think? You know?

2085
01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:53.159
Because what you said reminded me of this old movie

2086
01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:54.000
called Patch Adams.

2087
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:58.199
Yes, I have seen that before, Robin Williams.

2088
01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:00.439
Yeah, and I could use out of me. I'm so

2089
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:02.720
proud of you. You would use the humor. Yeah, right,

2090
01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:04.159
And you think that there's something there.

2091
01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:08.760
Yes, Well, I mean if we're looking at patterns every

2092
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.600
fucking person that I talk to, at least when I

2093
01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:13.119
was a medical you know, granted, like I wasn't doing

2094
01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.479
this for like ten years or whatever, you know, but

2095
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:19.439
every fucking person that had a story like that that

2096
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:22.640
I talked to, those were the too common denominators.

2097
01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:26.159
So then what we call positive or toxic positivity in

2098
01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:29.439
the West, Like, are we taking that to an extreme?

2099
01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.119
Like should that be the focus the goal? Like the laughter,

2100
01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:34.039
the positivity, the love, the love and light?

2101
01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.680
Yes, and I mean of course everything literally everything. There's

2102
01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:40.279
a way to take it to a fucking extreme, Okay,

2103
01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:43.359
like again both and girly right, well, when you use

2104
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:47.119
it in like bypassing right essentially, like sure, this is

2105
01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:49.520
not say like we're still fucking human. We're still gonna

2106
01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.039
have emotions. So it's not saying like, don't fucking shame

2107
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:56.159
yourself if you have a bad day, you know, like

2108
01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.359
still allow yourself to feel the normal range of human emotions.

2109
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:02.000
But this is all so where I think the stoic

2110
01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:03.239
philosophy comes into.

2111
01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:04.680
Plays, aren't you?

2112
01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:05.760
I do? I really like it.

2113
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.000
A book you should read is by Darren Brown. He's

2114
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:11.720
one of the greatest sort of mentalists in mind readers.

2115
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:15.079
But he's a stoic and he's written books on stoicism,

2116
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:18.239
and one is called Happy and it's like why something

2117
01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:20.399
to the effect of like why everything is actually not bad?

2118
01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:22.000
You might really enjoy it?

2119
01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:23.800
Do you not have it?

2120
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:27.600
No, I'm not a big stoic philosophy guy. I know

2121
01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:29.720
a bit about it, but it's not my philosophy. But

2122
01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:30.760
you would like it's.

2123
01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.399
True though, you know, like objectively it is true. All

2124
01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.199
we have control over at the end of the day

2125
01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:40.760
is like myself, my own thoughts, my own feelings, my

2126
01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:43.479
own reactions. Yes, and this is why. And I'll out

2127
01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:45.760
of us like you've often gotten mad at me sometimes

2128
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:48.279
where I'll be like, okay, you know, like I'm sorry

2129
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:50.159
that you feel that way, you know, and I'm like,

2130
01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:53.239
for me, I'm not. It's I'm not doing it and

2131
01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:56.600
as like a way to be a conversation ender or

2132
01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:58.000
you know, it's just like that's.

2133
01:43:57.880 --> 01:43:59.640
The problem I have with some way that people do

2134
01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:02.640
it still is it can get away from feeling, it

2135
01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:06.600
can get away from understanding in a sense where you know,

2136
01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:08.079
like you just said, like, oh, I'm sorry I feel

2137
01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:13.079
that way versus actually having a care of the other

2138
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:15.039
person and how you fix it, versus like, well, that's

2139
01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:16.840
too bad, like that, because then it becomes a bit

2140
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:18.640
egotistical almost.

2141
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.239
And that's why it gets to the point that I

2142
01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:25.840
was saying, don't shame yourself for having feelings like feeling.

2143
01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:27.840
Which is the poortism. Sort of get rid of that,

2144
01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:31.840
right it is. It's an interesting philosophy. You would like

2145
01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:33.640
that book, though. Where were we going with that stoicism?

2146
01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:38.079
Fucking talking about the medical well.

2147
01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:40.560
In your medical practice? Then going back to this, how

2148
01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.399
many times this is a weird question, but how many

2149
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:46.279
times did you work with people or see them pass on?

2150
01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:50.600
There's a reason.

2151
01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:55.319
First question, I was in an o R where a

2152
01:44:55.359 --> 01:45:02.199
patient died once. They did not technically die while they

2153
01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:06.760
were still like well, I don't know, maybe they did,

2154
01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:10.239
but the ambulance was called and they were taken out,

2155
01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:13.560
but once.

2156
01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:18.039
Okay, And I asked that because here we are and

2157
01:45:18.079 --> 01:45:20.479
we're talking about shadow beings. You were working in the

2158
01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:22.439
medical field than a place where people were sick, where

2159
01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:25.159
they were suffering, when they were passing on. How many

2160
01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:31.239
times were shadow beings involved in your experiences there? If ever, none, none.

2161
01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:37.840
None, zero. But again, I do believe if I had

2162
01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:40.479
been working, let's say in a hospital, okay, where I

2163
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:43.520
think that would be very different. Were we working it's

2164
01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:47.760
a medical office that had an ambulatory surgical center attached

2165
01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:51.039
to it. However, it's and y'all have heard me talk

2166
01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:55.640
about this before ophthalmology, So it's not you know, we're not, yes,

2167
01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:59.800
So it's you know, it's very like it's more rare

2168
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:01.640
than we're gonna have people that are in these you know,

2169
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.239
Like I wasn't working in hospice or anything like that.

2170
01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:06.439
If it had been the hospital, I think it would

2171
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:09.039
have been a different story. Hospitals for me, the places

2172
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:12.680
to places that give me the most fucking anxiety, that

2173
01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:18.560
feel the fucking worst to me. Antique stores. Really, I've

2174
01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:20.319
witnessed this, you've witnessed that.

2175
01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:21.680
Gospitals.

2176
01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:24.159
I do love going to them. However, is that like.

2177
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.079
You're like sort of the same way that's like your

2178
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:29.720
the antique shops are like your dominatrix. You're like, just

2179
01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:31.039
give it to me more. I hate it, but fuck

2180
01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:32.520
it's great. Like what is that?

2181
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:33.800
Uh?

2182
01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:37.680
Because that's all we love doing is antiqu shops, and.

2183
01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:40.359
I love it. But here's the thing with antique shops.

2184
01:46:40.359 --> 01:46:42.520
And I've talked about this before, I think on uh

2185
01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:45.560
in the Kate shopperd episode on Our Geo, where just

2186
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:49.279
because something feels very overwhelming to me and is shooting

2187
01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:51.960
my anxiety through the roof doesn't necessarily equate with this

2188
01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.920
is bad, you know, or this is hard.

2189
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:56.840
It's just oversensory.

2190
01:46:57.039 --> 01:47:01.199
Yes, the energies can be very overwhelming hospitals.

2191
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:03.399
Kind of like if you're scratching hurricanes belly too much.

2192
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:09.239
He's like over sensory, over stimulation, over simulation. Y. Yes, hospitals,

2193
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:11.680
you say, hospitals awful?

2194
01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:12.399
Awful?

2195
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:13.159
Can you explain that?

2196
01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:15.159
Like, can you tell me, dude, the amount of think

2197
01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:17.560
just think about a fucking hospital. How many fucking people

2198
01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:19.880
are dying in a hospital every day? How many people

2199
01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:21.920
are going in there and they're watching their loved ones

2200
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:22.399
fucking die.

2201
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:25.079
How many people and they're suffering? Yes, but let me

2202
01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:28.399
also so one of the interesting stories is when my grandpa,

2203
01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:33.640
my mom's dad, passed away. He was a simple dude

2204
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:35.279
and all he liked to do is play music down

2205
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:37.319
at the local community place, and he was very happy

2206
01:47:37.359 --> 01:47:40.159
all the time. Whatever. Well, on his deathbed as he

2207
01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:44.680
was going, he looks away from the family, goes look

2208
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:48.680
at all those instruments and then so that seems like

2209
01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:50.079
a positive experience to me.

2210
01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:52.399
Well, that is that is very common when you talk

2211
01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:55.600
to nurses and you can go look this up online.

2212
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.680
It's very common with people who are about to die.

2213
01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:03.439
They can tell because they will start seeing a past

2214
01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:04.159
loved one.

2215
01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:06.039
For things that bring them joys with really what it

2216
01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:06.560
comes down to.

2217
01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.359
And you'll often hear a lot of people saying like, yeah,

2218
01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:11.920
you'll see them. You know, they'll be talking to you know,

2219
01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:13.279
someone and nobody's there.

2220
01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:16.439
Well, let me ask this question, like do we have

2221
01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:18.359
that data from atheists that are dying?

2222
01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:23.119
Hmmm, I don't know. I mean, that would certainly be

2223
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:28.000
an interesting study if somebody had done that, because if.

2224
01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.439
I'm being honest, if people that have belief and faith

2225
01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:32.920
are like having experiences and they die and atheists or not,

2226
01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:35.479
I'm gonna go with belief and faith every time. And

2227
01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:38.439
that may be ego based because like that's scary to

2228
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.800
think that there's like nothing that kind of comes, you know,

2229
01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.239
which I think is actually a lazy responsible. So you're

2230
01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:45.960
saying that hospitals fill negative even though those experiences are

2231
01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:48.039
sometimes positive, is what I'm I guess kind of getting

2232
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:51.520
ospital okay, And is it just because of all the

2233
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:53.960
emotion that's available, yes, to tap into.

2234
01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:57.359
Because and anybody who is sensitive to energies like you

2235
01:48:57.439 --> 01:49:00.239
go in that place, are gonna feel fucking everything. And sure,

2236
01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.600
yes there's happiness people.

2237
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:05.680
Yeah, Okay, you're.

2238
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.359
Feeling fucking every well, you're feeling the residual ship too.

2239
01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:11.720
It's all fucking there. You're feeling everything. At least for me,

2240
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:16.159
it's overwhelming as fuck. I fucking hate it. I hate

2241
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:19.920
hospitals like there is nothing that scares me more than

2242
01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:21.079
did you.

2243
01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:23.359
Feel any of this stuff? When your mom had that

2244
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:23.880
big scare?

2245
01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:28.039
Yeah, really when she was in the ICU.

2246
01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:29.680
Tell that story because she she was walking up we

2247
01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:31.720
saw the hill we were in Florida, Yeah, and she.

2248
01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:34.640
Just well I think I feel like I told it

2249
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:37.880
in a past episode, but the too long didn't read. Yeah,

2250
01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:40.560
she was walking up the hill and she just dropped,

2251
01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:44.600
and you know, paramedics home. She was dead basically for

2252
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:45.920
an hour, but they kept doing.

2253
01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:48.359
That's wild actually, so I'm sorry, Yes, my mom is

2254
01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:49.399
for a fucking hour.

2255
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:50.720
She is a living miracle.

2256
01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:54.199
Yeah, that's a very positive way to talk about your

2257
01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:57.119
I wish. Yeah, well she is yeah an.

2258
01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:00.920
Hour yeah, yeah, and she it was like things after

2259
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:03.399
a while, like if she four minutes, y'all were worried

2260
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.199
because when she it was like we joke about five

2261
01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:09.279
minute memory span, it was a literal five minute memory span. Yes,

2262
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:14.159
but yes, when she was in the ICU, Uh, it

2263
01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:17.760
just felt awful the entire time. And you know, of course, yes,

2264
01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:21.439
I was, you know, worried and scared and feeling all

2265
01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:23.520
of these awful things because my mom's fucking laying in

2266
01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:25.279
the ICU. We don't know if she's gonna live. We

2267
01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:27.960
have the fucking organ donor people coming and trying to.

2268
01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:30.000
Talk to us, like trying to harvest her stuff.

2269
01:50:30.159 --> 01:50:35.680
Yes, and I was basically I was the one the people. Yeah,

2270
01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:37.399
you know, and that's a lot of fucking pressure.

2271
01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:41.079
However, you made the right choice, todn't you. Yeah she's here, yes,

2272
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:44.159
because you could have said, okay, just unplugg her, take

2273
01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:45.560
the organs correct.

2274
01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:49.239
I was like, fuck off, Like, dude, it hasn't even

2275
01:50:49.239 --> 01:50:51.159
been twenty four hours, Like, get the fuck out of here,

2276
01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:53.119
Like the fucking audacity of you coming in here and

2277
01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:54.159
even asking this right.

2278
01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:56.000
Now, get the fuck outs.

2279
01:50:56.119 --> 01:50:58.239
And yes, I understand from the other perspective they only

2280
01:50:58.279 --> 01:50:59.880
have a certain time to be able to do that.

2281
01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:02.800
Now I think you're right. There is no other second, gotcha.

2282
01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:05.920
So anyway, yes, it the entire it just felt awful.

2283
01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:09.800
And even from the moment I step into a fucking hospital,

2284
01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:13.119
even getting on the property, like you just start feeling it.

2285
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:15.720
But when you walk in, like, my anxiety is through

2286
01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:17.720
the fucking roof. That's what Like, I have the fucking

2287
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:20.279
MRI next week. I'm not looking forward to it. I

2288
01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:23.520
don't give a shit about having fucking MRI. It's in

2289
01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:24.479
a fucking hospital.

2290
01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:26.720
So you could never be like like a nurse practitioner

2291
01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:27.800
because you're round it.

2292
01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:30.479
Yeah, I hate it. Yeah, I would have to do

2293
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:32.920
like the amount of practices. And that's one of the

2294
01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:35.600
people that I'm working with for a mediumship mentor ship

2295
01:51:35.680 --> 01:51:38.399
right now. She is a nurse, and so that is

2296
01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:41.159
a lot of like what we're working on getting in

2297
01:51:41.239 --> 01:51:44.800
place for her is these different energetic practices for basically

2298
01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:46.880
being able to not take on all of this ship.

2299
01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:49.479
And you know, when you think about a nurse specifically,

2300
01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.279
you're going in and like you are putting your energy

2301
01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:55.319
into these patients. You're putting the ivs in, and you're

2302
01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:57.239
taking care of them, and you're giving them.

2303
01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:01.920
Their medicine them that job, which is a thankless job

2304
01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:05.479
in many ways. Yes, okay. I think giving people that

2305
01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:08.920
are suffering a positive energy, I think is one of

2306
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:10.840
the greatest things you can do. Okay, and I think

2307
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:13.079
I've got a new found respect for it. Nurses, let

2308
01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:15.520
me ask you a question when we talk about shadow

2309
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:18.199
people and negative energies, which is this whole kind of thing.

2310
01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.000
Two questions. One, you're saying you don't see them run

2311
01:52:21.079 --> 01:52:25.079
rampant at hospitals, Well, yes, really, you see these things

2312
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:29.920
run rampant shadow guys, yes, okay. Two, do you see

2313
01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:33.800
them when we go down to Sixth Street, when we

2314
01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:37.039
go down to New Orleans and see the poverty and

2315
01:52:37.079 --> 01:52:38.159
we see that? Really?

2316
01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:39.319
Yes? Yea?

2317
01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:41.840
And do you see them? I guess do you see

2318
01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:48.199
them more in these more negative areas shadow beings specifically,

2319
01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.279
not feelings, but seeing shadow beings.

2320
01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:55.279
Pay more attention to it?

2321
01:52:55.399 --> 01:52:55.760
Now?

2322
01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:58.960
But I mean, yeah, probably, I would say so.

2323
01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:01.399
Yeah, So that would lead us to believe that.

2324
01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:04.840
And I'm talking about shadow people.

2325
01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:07.600
Yes, specifically specific specifically forget everything else because I see.

2326
01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:09.520
Little shadow like elemental things.

2327
01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:12.479
But that's well, we've seen that the little things that

2328
01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:15.560
I that me and Eric both saw flying from tree

2329
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:18.079
to tree did not feel negative at all. To be

2330
01:53:18.119 --> 01:53:20.640
honest with you, Okay, that was different than anything else.

2331
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.279
And I think some of that stuff can be like elemental.

2332
01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:25.960
Sure, so the shadow being so that because that is

2333
01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:28.479
the point of the conversation is that we started with,

2334
01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:32.600
is are they good or bad or indifferent? Nicole's perspective,

2335
01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:35.520
go good, bad and different, sum it up and make

2336
01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:37.319
it black and white, because there is a yes or

2337
01:53:37.319 --> 01:53:39.319
no answer to this. Do you think they're bad? Do

2338
01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:40.319
you think they're indifferent?

2339
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.600
I don't think that there is a yes or no

2340
01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.039
answer for this. I am a bold and girly I

2341
01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:50.439
think that probably the majority, I would say, are on

2342
01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:55.000
the more negative spectrum. And even if that may include

2343
01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.199
let's say a human who is passed on and they

2344
01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:01.720
are simply just kind of for whatever reason in this

2345
01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:05.079
plane of existence, still I would also view that as

2346
01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:07.760
not good, you know, and I'm sure that feels not

2347
01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:10.720
good to them as well. Can some of the things

2348
01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:13.000
be created, like say the shadow thing on all fours

2349
01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:16.840
at Hill House. Yes. Can some of them be elemental? Yes,

2350
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:21.079
we've seen them. What does that mean to actually elemental?

2351
01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:23.880
Like from like from the earth, like natural like that

2352
01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:28.079
you know, we've been here since before you the things like.

2353
01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:30.520
The rocks, the dirt, the grass, the ground, the trees.

2354
01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:34.960
Uh yes, okay, I'm.

2355
01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:36.359
Just something that was here before us.

2356
01:54:37.640 --> 01:54:41.920
Yes, like the this, the like the spirits, I guess

2357
01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:44.199
of the like natural things like I guess that would

2358
01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:47.800
be kind of more like Native American philosophy, Like they

2359
01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:49.680
talk about these things a lot, but it's stuff that

2360
01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:52.239
you know, like the energy of these things, like the

2361
01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:56.119
amalgamation of these things and the spirit of it, you know.

2362
01:54:57.720 --> 01:55:01.159
But anyway, Uh yeah, are are some of the shadow

2363
01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:09.640
things like timeslip interdimensional type deal probably, but the ones

2364
01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:12.720
that are negative in your mind, shadow people, that's what

2365
01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:14.880
we're talking. Yeah, yeah, And I mean you.

2366
01:55:14.840 --> 01:55:17.439
Know, hands right, the things that we talked about.

2367
01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:19.760
To the point of like this entire conversation, and you know,

2368
01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:24.319
the various things that we've discussed. No, I haven't had

2369
01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:27.520
any good experiences with them, Like they're never coming up.

2370
01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:29.479
I didn't see a fucking shadow figure walk up and

2371
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:31.520
drop that roller ribbon on the table for me and

2372
01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:33.439
you know, give me, give me some finger guns and

2373
01:55:33.439 --> 01:55:36.359
be like I got you broth, you know, give.

2374
01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:39.159
Me some finger if you imagine we had a shadow

2375
01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:44.319
being waivet us but giving us fingers. So that's an

2376
01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:47.119
interesting point though, like you've not any of the good

2377
01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:50.079
experiences that we've had with the paranormal will call it,

2378
01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:55.680
that have never happened around shadow beings. Huh No, Okay,

2379
01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:59.039
So all that to say, Nicole and I don't know

2380
01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:02.119
where we're staying on this, but we did want to

2381
01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:04.760
have this conversation about it because it's come up and

2382
01:56:04.840 --> 01:56:07.760
we've talked to people that have differing opinions that we typically,

2383
01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:10.039
let's be honest, typically we would not be the girlies

2384
01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:12.600
that were in Heidie's camp, correct, like for a long time,

2385
01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:15.880
like we would have been like no. But there's something

2386
01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:18.800
when about experiencing this in a way that not a

2387
01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:21.359
lot of people do and not just looking at like

2388
01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:24.399
the TV shows, and you start to understand, will wait,

2389
01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:26.159
there's more.

2390
01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:29.079
Well, that's why. And you know something I mentioned earlier

2391
01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:33.119
with the length of time that Heidi has been doing this,

2392
01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:36.239
in the amount of stories she's heard and the amount

2393
01:56:36.279 --> 01:56:37.880
of people that she's talked.

2394
01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:39.239
To and experience a severeronia.

2395
01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:44.079
It's way fucking more than all likely ever have. Because

2396
01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:46.520
this is her area of expertise, it's her specialty. It's

2397
01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:48.920
what she's doing day in and day out. So you know,

2398
01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:51.199
if we're not going like that's you say it all

2399
01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:53.640
the time. It's one of the basic tenets of science,

2400
01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:54.680
you know, the repeatability.

2401
01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:54.840
Right.

2402
01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:58.159
If she's getting all of this fucking data and she's

2403
01:56:58.199 --> 01:57:01.600
seen this overwhelming pattern of every single one the.

2404
01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:04.479
People that experience these are not going through positive experiences.

2405
01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:08.840
Negative, it's like, well, I'm inclined to believe that research

2406
01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:11.199
like that's data. Data doesn't lie.

2407
01:57:12.399 --> 01:57:15.560
This is why we I think today didn't we put

2408
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:19.039
out a call on next door even looking for experiences.

2409
01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:20.720
And I do want to say anyone that's a listener,

2410
01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:24.520
if you have experiences with shadow beings specifically, it doesn't

2411
01:57:24.560 --> 01:57:26.239
have to be people, okay.

2412
01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.279
A little shadow shits.

2413
01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:30.560
Yes, it could be shadow shits, it could be what

2414
01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:33.520
they call spider ones, whatever it is, shadow things in general,

2415
01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:36.239
if you've had experience with them, I want to know

2416
01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:39.319
that experience, okay, because that is something I want to

2417
01:57:39.359 --> 01:57:44.960
put in our little research file of paranormal phenomena and

2418
01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:48.119
what it's doing. So if you had that experience, please

2419
01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:51.600
reach out to us, shoot us an email, DM to us,

2420
01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.560
slide in the emails or the dms, whatever it is,

2421
01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:56.800
send us a text. Okay, you can send us a

2422
01:57:56.800 --> 01:58:00.760
text on Spotify, you know, or talk about it in

2423
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.720
a positive review where you talk about how amazing my

2424
01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:05.960
voice is and how my hairline is really good. Uh yeah,

2425
01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.439
So let us know that because we do want to

2426
01:58:08.479 --> 01:58:11.199
document that because while we go to these locations and

2427
01:58:11.239 --> 01:58:13.560
we have our own experiences, If I'm being honest, I

2428
01:58:13.600 --> 01:58:15.840
don't think our own experiences are the way to research

2429
01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:19.520
because they are subjective to our right, It's.

2430
01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:21.600
It's only our lived experience, correct.

2431
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.760
I think real research is we want to hear more

2432
01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:27.319
about yours and the and see the similarities and see

2433
01:58:27.319 --> 01:58:31.279
that fat find the patterns. Baby. Other than that, this

2434
01:58:31.359 --> 01:58:33.439
has been a I gotta tell Nicole, this has been

2435
01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:36.279
a great episode because again I know I said it,

2436
01:58:36.319 --> 01:58:38.520
but one of my favorite things about you is we

2437
01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:42.520
can sit down with a serious topic that is probably

2438
01:58:42.520 --> 01:58:44.800
one of the most serious that there is, and I

2439
01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:48.760
can ask you very difficult, very philosophical questions and you

2440
01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.079
have answers. You don't. You don't just like look like

2441
01:58:51.079 --> 01:58:53.560
a deer in headlights. You've got an opinion on something,

2442
01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:55.920
legs And.

2443
01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:59.359
When I don't, I'll tell y'all I don't fucking know, yeah,

2444
01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:01.960
which I mean blanket statement on all of this. I

2445
01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:05.520
don't fucking know theory without without knowing.

2446
01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:08.279
You can have an opinion without knowing, right, So I

2447
01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:10.159
love that about it. I think it's great. This was

2448
01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:12.520
an interesting conversation, was about the shadow people, and we

2449
01:59:12.600 --> 01:59:15.439
talked about the seance because there was that component to it.

2450
01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:19.920
Weird as hell the seance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's

2451
01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:21.239
just like when we did with the mirror and we

2452
01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:22.880
put the suction cup mic on it. It was like

2453
01:59:22.920 --> 01:59:25.039
the sound of bees. Ye, it was almost the same

2454
01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:26.239
sound we got from that salance.

2455
01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:26.680
Yeah.

2456
01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:29.840
And we got's daughter seeing UFOs last time. It was Rachel.

2457
01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:33.560
Yeah, which, by the way, just quick shout out for

2458
01:59:33.640 --> 01:59:37.680
the seance for any of our paar Academy people that

2459
01:59:37.800 --> 01:59:40.199
are out of town, if you obviously were not able

2460
01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:43.439
to attend in person, the video of it, because we

2461
01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:47.399
did have my camera or my computer live streaming the

2462
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:50.159
whole thing for anybody who wanted to participate but you know,

2463
01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:54.800
virtually that is up in Patreon for you for Para Academy,

2464
01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:57.199
and it's actually pretty wild. It is, I really I

2465
01:59:57.239 --> 01:59:59.000
haven't gone back and listened to it yet, so I

2466
01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:02.680
do hope that it was able to pick up, you know,

2467
02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:05.479
some of the radio shit that was going on because

2468
02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:07.760
it was insane. But yeah, that that is up there

2469
02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:10.079
so you can see, you know, we walk it through

2470
02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:11.840
the whole fucking ritual and everything with us.

2471
02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:14.800
Last question for me in the episode, did you see

2472
02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:17.840
shadow beings around Annabel? No, of course not.

2473
02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:18.600
I felt nothing.

2474
02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:21.000
Nothing. Do you think that it was the rumor that

2475
02:00:21.239 --> 02:00:26.039
the real Annabel was not there? I've heard people say

2476
02:00:26.079 --> 02:00:27.680
that the rumor is that they did not bring the

2477
02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:29.239
real Annabel. Do you think that they would do that

2478
02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:33.319
or do you think that they actually give a fuck?

2479
02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:35.199
Do you think they actually think that doll was haunted? Yeah?

2480
02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:37.319
I mean, what would the motivation be for not bringing

2481
02:00:37.359 --> 02:00:38.239
the real Annabel?

2482
02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:42.039
Like, well, it's kind of like using a stand in

2483
02:00:42.079 --> 02:00:44.840
if you're a celebrity and you're walking you know what

2484
02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:45.159
I mean?

2485
02:00:46.279 --> 02:00:47.960
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know

2486
02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:50.359
what the point of like doing that would you be?

2487
02:00:52.439 --> 02:00:54.399
But you didn't feel anything as the big one. No,

2488
02:00:54.439 --> 02:00:55.880
I didn't no shadow beings run.

2489
02:00:55.800 --> 02:00:59.920
Annabel, I didn't see anything. I didn't feel anything. I'm

2490
02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:02.039
going to be real. Did I have a heat stroke

2491
02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:03.680
that day? Also? Yes?

2492
02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:06.880
Could that be ann No, it could be one hundred

2493
02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:09.119
and three degree weather. And we we actually put ourselves

2494
02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:11.880
in a box that was like an oven because we're idiots.

2495
02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:15.039
Well, listen, I got the fucking portable AC unit because

2496
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:17.399
I figured if we had a tent with walls on

2497
02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:20.119
it that it would like cool it, you know, because

2498
02:01:20.119 --> 02:01:21.560
it would keep the cool air in.

2499
02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:23.079
We are so thankful. I want to say this for

2500
02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:26.560
you in the episode, for all of our brus that

2501
02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:28.279
are able to show us how stupid we are in

2502
02:01:28.319 --> 02:01:31.680
certain moments, because we would have killed ourselves. Eric said,

2503
02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:33.199
you got to take this these walls out of the tent.

2504
02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:35.079
It's it's making you an oven. You're cooking in here,

2505
02:01:35.119 --> 02:01:38.199
and we didn't. It felt better. Thanks Eric, Thanks Marcel

2506
02:01:38.239 --> 02:01:40.800
and Rage for helping. Thanks everybody, Thanks for listening. If

2507
02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.760
you have comments, concerns, or stories, please let us know. Also,

2508
02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:46.680
go listen to the Real Go Sub podcast. That is

2509
02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:50.159
our second podcast, and we are diving into more shadow

2510
02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:51.159
being stuff there.

2511
02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:56.640
Yeah, we just did the episode recorded earlier. Yeah, listeners

2512
02:01:56.680 --> 02:02:00.319
stories were a girl head.

2513
02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:01.560
That's not good.

2514
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:03.880
Yeah that's not good. Yeah, that's not good.

2515
02:02:04.239 --> 02:02:05.560
Let us know what you think, lesten, know to your thoughts,

2516
02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:07.279
Listen to your stories, and you know what, we'll read

2517
02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:09.119
them on argio. Maybe on a listener story, maybe we

2518
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:11.399
go on a shadow person kick. And if your stories

2519
02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:12.960
are radical or scary.

2520
02:02:12.760 --> 02:02:15.279
Listen, I'm always on a shadow person kick. Yeah, I've

2521
02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:17.000
been on a shadow person kick since I was a

2522
02:02:17.000 --> 02:02:17.520
fucking kid.

2523
02:02:17.680 --> 02:02:19.840
Actually, I'm sorry that that just brought this up as

2524
02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:22.720
the last question for us, top. I'm so sorry you you,

2525
02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:25.000
as someone who has seen these as a kid growing

2526
02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:27.279
up around your bed all the time, if you think

2527
02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:30.239
that they're inherently typically negative, what does that mean for

2528
02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:31.520
why that's happening to you?

2529
02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:40.760
Well, according to the episode of What Heidi Said, she

2530
02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:44.760
said that especially and this is I've also been binging

2531
02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:46.039
her podcast as well.

2532
02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:48.520
You love Personince that conversation though, well, I just.

2533
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:51.960
You know knowledge, I want to know more things.

2534
02:02:52.000 --> 02:02:53.840
Well, we both said that when we got off the

2535
02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:56.239
conversation with her. Regardless of if we agreed with her,

2536
02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:59.600
she does not feel like she's making this shit up.

2537
02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:05.000
She's extremely sincere. Yeah, and she was like, you know, well,

2538
02:03:05.039 --> 02:03:06.640
I want to get to know you more. Like what's

2539
02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:09.359
so special about you that these things are surrounding you?

2540
02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:12.319
You know? Like and she's said it on the podcast

2541
02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:14.640
now that as I've been listening to it, she's like,

2542
02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:16.680
in my experience and the stories and the people I've

2543
02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:20.960
talked to, it's people who are just innately able to

2544
02:03:21.399 --> 02:03:24.960
have this connection, you know, tap into these things, mediumistic abilities, whatever,

2545
02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:28.000
and you know, see these things, know these things that

2546
02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:30.520
other people just don't, and they are trying to They

2547
02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:34.199
want to isolate you, make you weaker, make you depressed.

2548
02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:37.720
Well that's interesting maybe, And you see this all the time,

2549
02:03:38.039 --> 02:03:41.520
whether it's serious mediums or serious artists that I think

2550
02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:43.720
feel these things and see these things. It's almost like

2551
02:03:43.760 --> 02:03:45.600
they want to take those people and put them in

2552
02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:49.159
situations that make them go to agitation, to anxiety, to depression,

2553
02:03:49.159 --> 02:03:53.960
to negativity. Because if you are a beacon, a lighthouse,

2554
02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:57.000
they can suck that light out of you versus someone

2555
02:03:57.039 --> 02:04:00.920
that doesn't have that innately. Maybe that's the message of

2556
02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:07.640
this podcast is don't let the shadow figure take your light.

2557
02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:11.560
Well, don't don't let anybody take your light. Don't dim

2558
02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:15.920
your light for anybody, certainly not shadow figures. Yeah, fuck them,

2559
02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:16.960
shadow figures.

2560
02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:20.520
Fuck them, stupid Ross, Fuck that horse. Speaking of you,

2561
02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:21.159
ready for pizza?

2562
02:04:22.000 --> 02:04:22.880
Yeah, that sounds good.

2563
02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:23.720
That's make some pizza.

2564
02:04:23.760 --> 02:04:26.640
Do we actually have fucking pizza today? How many I

2565
02:04:26.680 --> 02:04:28.720
was saying this earlier, I'm like, how many fucking episodes?

2566
02:04:28.720 --> 02:04:30.159
And we ended at this point where I'm like, I

2567
02:04:30.159 --> 02:04:30.880
want pizza.

2568
02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:32.840
We had a whole episode called es Pizza.

2569
02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:35.640
Yeah. I think that was the last time we fucking

2570
02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:36.239
had pizza?

2571
02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:37.279
Is it really?

2572
02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:38.560
I think? So?

2573
02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:43.000
It's too long, It's too long. Let's make there.

2574
02:04:43.119 --> 02:04:45.439
You keep me from pizza for this long.

2575
02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:49.119
Because we made an interesting monster, you monster. Let's make

2576
02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.359
pizza and have wine, and let's put more shit on

2577
02:04:52.399 --> 02:04:55.119
our marry and alter and just hope that we're not fucked,

2578
02:04:55.399 --> 02:04:55.880
and put.

2579
02:04:55.800 --> 02:05:00.359
On Gossip GIRLO. Okay, gossip Girl darling.

2580
02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:01.399
You want to pre eat the oven?

2581
02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:03.439
Yeah?

2582
02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:06.039
Great, We're having pizza. See you guys, Thanks for listening.

2583
02:05:06.159 --> 02:05:08.600
If you made it this far, whatever, letst know your thoughts.

2584
02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:09.600
Bye bye,