Dec. 11, 2025

SUSTO SWAP-A-THON: Somewhere In The Skies

SUSTO SWAP-A-THON: Somewhere In The Skies
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On this episode of Somewhere in the Skies, Ryan dives deep into the iconic 1980 Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, unraveling the chilling encounters that unfolded between U.S. Air Force personnel on the edge of the Cold War. With rare audio interviews and chilling on-scene tape recordings from the military witnesses at the time, he breaks down the key players, the dramatic nights in the forest, and the decades of controversy that followed. From mysterious lights and craft to military cover-ups and so much more, this episode pulls apart one of the world’s most enduring UFO mysteries piece by piece.

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Hello, CISTO podcast listeners. My name is Ryan Sprague and

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I'm the host of the Summer in the s Guy's podcast,

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where every week we tackle the UFO subject from every angle,

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whether it's through case histories, interviews, call in shows where

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you tell your UFO stories, and so much more. We

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attempt to get to the heart of this mystery, one UFO.

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Sighting at a time.

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So today I want to bring you a special episode

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of the Summer on This Guy's podcast where we cover

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the Renders from Forest UFO incident where over sixty military

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personnel witnessed a craft of unknown origin land in a

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forest in England back in nineteen eighty. It's by far

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one of my favorite episodes we've ever done, and I

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really hope you enjoy it. My special thanks to see

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and you can find a special episode of se Stowe

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Super honored, super excited for you guys to give our

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us as we continue to probe these mysteries somewhere in

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the skies. RAF Woodbridge in RAF Bentwater were known as

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the Twin Bases, separated by an area of woodland called

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Rendalshum Forest. The two installations in Suffolk, Southeast England, were

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perhaps the United States' most important military complexes during the

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Cold War. And they held a dark secret. Even today,

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it's not officially acknowledged that nuclear weapons were being stored

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at the basis, a complete violation of the US and

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UK's treaty obligations. But another secret was being held in

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that forest, and almost forty years later it remains one

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of the most famous UFO cases of all time. This

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is the story of the incident in Rendelshrom Forest.

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While our government's official position is not to speculate on

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this subject, we can choose to let our minds explore

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other possibilities. The usual reminded. For if we consider the

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astroscientists agree on one point that the possibility of life

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elsewhere is not only quite probable in some field, that

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is there without a doubt. Let us suppose then, that

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these objects are wheeled space vehicles extraterrestrial origin.

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And not an illusion of the mind.

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I'm Ryan, spread and you are now somewhere in the skies.

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It was a rather quiet and cold night in nineteen eighty.

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It's probably not much fun to be on security duty

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on Christmas night, thousands of miles from home in a

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cold British military base in England. Twenty year old American

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patrol sergeant John Burrows had the short straw that night

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guarding RF Woodbridge's lonely East gate, which edged into the

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dark woods of the neighboring Rendosham Forest. As the twenty

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fifth turned into the twenty sixth, Burrows looked out into

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the darkness and saw something strange. Colored lights appeared to

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be hovering and dancing over the trees. Was this some

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sort of Christmas display? Burrows had an uneasy feeling that

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it was something unusual and drove back to the gatehouse

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to inform the security controller. Security policeman Jim Penison joined

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Burrows at the gate to observe the lights. In his

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two years of working at the base, the twenty six

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year old Peniston had never seen lights in the Rendosham

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Woods before, but had witness said small aircraft crashes during

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his career and felt that this might explain what the

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men were seeing. Relating this possibility to the security tower,

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at around three am, Penistin, Burrows, and fellow airman Ed

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Cabanseg were given permission to venture out into the forest

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to investigate.

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I then ordered Derman cabanzac a one Ce Burrows to

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respond with new off site. When we arrived to the

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spected crash site. They quickly became apparent that we were

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not dealing with a plane crash, or, for that matter,

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anything else we've ever responded to. There was a bright

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light emanating from an object on the forest floor. As

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we approached it on foot, a silhouette triangle craft about

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nine feet long six and a half feet high came

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into view. The craft was fully intact and sitting in

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a small clearing just inside the woods. As the three

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of us got closer to the craft, we started experiencing

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radio difficulties. I then asked airman Combansac to relate the

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radio transmissions back to our control center. Burls and I

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proceeded towards the craft.

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The air around them, according to Peniston, seemed to be

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filled with electricity. It was surging through them as they

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approached the object.

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When we came up on the trangler shaped craft, there

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were blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior as

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though they were part of the surface. Nothing in my

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training prepared me for what I was witnessing. After ten minutes,

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without any apparent aggression, I determined the craft was non

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hostile to my team and to the base. Following the

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security protocols. We completed a thorough on site investigation. This

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included a full physical examination of the craft, which included

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photographs and my notebook entries I had at the time,

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and relays with the radio through aramic Banzac to our

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control center. On one side of the craft, there were

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symbols that measured three inches high and there approximate about

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two and a half feet long. The feeling I had

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during the encounter was like no type of aircraft that

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I've ever seen before. It was in Jane's book of

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Known Aircraft or anything I've seen since.

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Peniston scrupled furiously in his notebook, drawing as best he

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could the shape of the object, but found it increasingly

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difficult to write, as if some strange force was weighing

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him down.

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The light from the craft again to intensify Burls and

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I then took a defensive position away from the craft

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as it lifted off the ground without any noise or

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air disturbance. It maneuvered through the trees and shut off

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at an unbelievable rate of speed. It was gone in

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a blink of an eye. In my law book, I

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wrote speed Impossible. That night over eighty Air Force personnel

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all trained observers assigned to the eighty first Curity Police

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Squadron witness to take off.

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What on earth had the men witnessed? Whatever it was,

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All three were reluctant to go back to their commanding

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officers and say that they'd seen a UFO. Rumors had

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long circulated around the Twin basis of lights in the sky,

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but most airmen preferred to keep such reports to themselves

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for fear of ridicule. On returning to the base, the

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men relaid what Peniston described as a sanitized account of

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the encounter to their commanding officer, Lieutenant Fred Beeren, and

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were informed that the nearby radar base had also reported

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an unusual blip on the radar earlier the previous night.

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Was this the object the men had seen? Like so

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much of the Rendership incident, we have official documents that

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confirm that this incident did indeed occurs. A Britain report

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dated January two, nineteen eighty one, confirms Burroughs and Peniston's sighting.

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Fred Buren affirms that the men are reliable and mature

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individuals and appear convinced that Peniston had indeed experienced something

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out of the realm. Of explanation for him at the time.

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By now, the strange lights over Randelsham had also been

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reported to the local police. Returning the next morning, the

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two officers from the Suffolk Constabulary, Burroughs and Peniston, tried

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to find the location of their mysterious nocturnal encounter. Happening

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upon what they believed was the same clearing, the men

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saw three indentations in the ground, often seized by skeptics.

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The subsequent police report states that these indentations were actually

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nothing more than rabbit burrows. Peniston, however, is adamant that

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they were not stating that the ground was frozen and

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it was impossible for that to have happened. Peniston believes

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the officers were reluctant to state what the marks really were,

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as like him, they were worried that they'd be ridiculed.

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Supportive of Peniston's integration was the fact that the three

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indentations formed an exact equilateral triangle when measured out. Burrows

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and Peniston's encounter in the woods might well have been

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dismissed as a mistake or even just Christmas hijinks if

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it wasn't for the events of the following two nights.

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Although the rendals from Forrest incident is usually reported as

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two nights of UFO activity, the twenty fifth through twenty

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sixth and the twenty seventh through twenty eighth, there was

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actually a lesser reported sighting the following night, twenty hours

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after the Burrows and Peniston sighting. Eighteen year old basic

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airman Laurie Riefeldt recalls her own series of events that night.

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So I was on control at the time, and I

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had a colleague with me, airman his airman Dufffield. We

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were both airman first class, which is the E three

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at the time, and and we had just checked the

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lock on the gate and we were just filling out

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our check sheet and making sure everything and we're just

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sitting there and it was about two three o'clock in

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the morning, and it was just really it was a

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it was a clear night, wasn't raining out, and we

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were just kind of, you know, bored figuring out we

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got about four or five more hours left, and we're

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just sitting there talking and all of a sudden we

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see this light approaching that it was coming from the

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area the North Sea, so it's coming west to east,

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and at first it looked like it looked like we

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thought it was just regular aircraft coming in and and

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and we looked over at the at the runway, waiting

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good lights to go on, figuring all of the aircraft

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coming in, and and then as it got closer and closer,

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and now it's about maybe two hundred it wasn't really

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that far. It was just this it was a bit

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light and just stopped. And this guy and I were looking.

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We noticed that the that the runway lights aren't on.

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We see this light and then and then all of

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a sudden, it just stops in mid air. And then

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all of a sudden, it moves up down, left right,

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and then it breaks into like three pieces and speeds

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across the runway. And now we're stunned. We're like, what

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the we you know, what was that? So we immediately

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got on I got on the radio because we you know,

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we were thinking, what is that? And we get on

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the radio and and I mean we were kind of

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excited about you know, police control, this is police sport,

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be advised. But we couldn't see the aircraft itself, the speed,

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the rate of speed that it was moving when it

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when it when it went across I mean, it was

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moving in like a regular aircraft. Then when it stopped,

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and then when it did its movement, and then when

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it split into three, and then when it went sped

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across the runway going it was going west, you know,

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it was just going out of phenomenal speed. And the

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that it didn't make any noise. There was no sound

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to it at all, and we were like, you know this,

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we just you know, we just didn't know what it was.

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distance we were, I guess I'd say it was probably

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about the size of a car or small truck or something.

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News of the UFO sightings had by now reached the base.

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As Deputy Commander Colonel Charles Halt Well attending a Christmas

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awards party at the base on the night after twenty seventh,

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Lieutenant Bruce England rushed into the room. Untild Colonel Charles

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halt We've got to talk. It's back. Halt then, a

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forty one year old veteran of Vietnam and Korea, had

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no patience for tales of UFOs, and was irritated that

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his men were getting distracted from their duties with such nonsense.

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for all, Halt led a search party into Rendoshum Forest

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to look for answers.

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I took two senior patrolmen with me and disasked preparedness

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expert and the reporting on duty police officer. But the

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site we find three one and a half inch indentations,

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triangular and pattern. We discovered mild radiation and evidence of

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broken branches on the trees. We suddenly observed a very

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bright red orange object. It was oval and with a

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black center. It reminded me of an eye, and it

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appeared to be winking or blinking. It maneuvered horizontally through

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the trees with an occasional vertical movement. When approached, it

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receded and silently broke into five white objects. We moved

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out of the forest and onto a pasture and observed

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several objects in the sky. Multiple objects to the north,

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They changed shape from elliptical to rhyme. Several other objects

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were seen to the south. One approached at a very

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high speed and sent down a strange beam right at

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our feet. It was different than an ordinary light, and

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it didn't radiate. It was more like a laser beam.

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Another object sent down beams a light into the weapons

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storage area. The whole time, we had difficulty communicating with

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the base, as all three radio frequencies that we were

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using kept breaking up. This activity continued for about an

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hour during this entire event, I was fortunate to have

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with me at my small pocket recorder. It's a little

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a near recorder that I carried around the base. Hues

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need to take notes because I didn't like to write much,

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so I recorded all the significant events that happened that night. Unfortunately,

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the tape recorder is no longer functional, but I do

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have a tape and a good copy of it. I

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have no idea what we saw that night, but I

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do know with great certainty it was under intelligent control.

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More on the Halt audio tape in just a little bit.

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From this point on, many of those present during this

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search believe a vast cover up had begun, even under

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the nose of a senior officer like Colonel Charles Salt.

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While Halt himself tried to find out from his men

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what had happened, other agencies swooped in to interrogate the

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men about the events of the previous three nights. Jim

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Peniston recalls being repeatedly grilled about the incidents by the

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Air Force's Office of Intelligence, even being administered truth drug

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sodium pentanol. On one occasion. Sergeant Adrian Bestenza claims he

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was interrogated for hours in an underground part of the

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base by unnamed agents, possibly from the CIA at Cabansac,

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who had accompanied Burroughs and Peniston on the first night

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of activity, says he was ordered to sign a false

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statement that concealed what he really saw. Wing Commander Charles Gabriel,

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in charge of all USAF forces in Europe, made an

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unprecedented impromptu visit to the bases, seizing much of Halt's evidence. Unbelievably,

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Halt was then told the United States had no official

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interest in this incident. Unsure of just exactly what to do,

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and with jurisdiction over the matter officially shared between the

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US and UK, Halt was told to hand the matter

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over to the British Ministry of Defense. Halt's January thirteenth,

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nineteen eighty one memo, entitled Unexplained Lights, summarizing the events

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of the weekend was sent to the British government, but

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received a similar lack of interest. For all those involved,

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this seemed to mark the end of the matter, and

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life on the base seemingly went back to normal. Outside

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of a bit of gossip among thefologists, events of that

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amazing weekend would probably have faded into obscurity. That was

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until a sensational tap light scoop nearly three years later

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blew the whole thing wide open. UFO lands in Suffolk

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in That's official. This was the headline in the UK's

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News of the World. The paper had managed to obtain

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Halt's top secret memo. Soon news outlets begin to pick

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up on the story, CNN being one of the first

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networks to report.

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CNN began asking the Air Force for information about the

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vent Water's UFO incident six months ago. Throughout the Air

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Force has been slow to respond, and when it did reply,

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the answer was usually quote unknown end quote, or in

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some cases apparently misleading. For example, when CNN asked are

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there any photographs, tape recordings, videotapes, drawings, or descriptions of

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any kind in Air Force files, the official US Air

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Force reply was quote there was no audio visual documentation done.

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End quote. If it is a cover up, then the

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American public may never know what those airmen saw at

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Bendwaters in nineteen eighty if they were merely Keystone cops

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who were hallucinating, as one critic suggests from one of

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the national security implications of those same airmen guarding a

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strategically important airbase where nuclear weapons are reportedly stored, if

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they weren't hallucinating, and one of the implications of what

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they actually did see. When CNN recently asked the Air

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Force about the possible existence of movie film of the

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bent Water's UFO, the official Air Force response was the

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United States Air Force stopped investigating UFOs in nineteen sixty nine.

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Inconsistencies with witnesses is something that needs to be addressed.

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Larry Warren, a former American security officer, was the first

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person to come forward about what happened in the forests.

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Warren had originally been anonymously leaking stories about Rendoshum to

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the UFO community for years, and his remarkable account of

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what he saw would prove to be very divisive amongst

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the other witnesses. According to the then nineteen year old Warren,

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it wasn't just lights or a craft that was seen,

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but actual beings as well. Warren would also make some

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startling claims about how men in black style agents had

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interrogated him and messed with his mind, simply planting false

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or distorted memories. Rendoshum Forest was starting to move from

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a well documented encounter with a mysterious light to a

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full on craft and now full scale science fiction. The

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integrity of Larry Warren's testimony is still up for debate

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until today, but it does need to be addressed in

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the overall picture of the rendoschrom Forest incident. Despite inconsistencies

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and controversy, this UFO incident had something most cases did not,

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the words of a senior American Air Force colonel in

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an official memo. The credibility of the document even led

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to questions being asked of the then Conservative government in

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the UK Parliament. Over the next few decades, competing claims

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would emerge about what happened over Christmas nineteen eighty at

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the Twin basis. More witnesses would emerge, often with incredible claims.

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Skeptics would pounds on inconsistencies and try to find rational

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explanations for what happened. Some have even suggested that the

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whole thing was a hoax, or that the airmen had

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had a bit too much Christmas cheer, or perhaps it

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was simply a mistake the nearby Orfordness lighthouse bouncing its

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powerful illumination amongst the trees. Regardless of the attempts to

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debunk Rendoshow, the original witnesses, the documents, and the physical

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evidence all attest to something very genuine occurring. The most

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cited piece of evidence in the Rendersrom Forest case, the

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Halt Memo, provides a rare direct piece of contemporary documentary

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UFO evidence, signed by a senior member of the US military.

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Some critics have questioned the dating of this memmo January thirteenth,

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supposedly more than a week and a half after the

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incident occurred, but this appears to be explained by the

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general confusion over the jurisdiction of the incident. As such,

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Colonel Holt was told by his own commanders to hand

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the matter over to the British with the basis British

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Liaison Donald Morland don leave Halt elected to wait to

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act until he had discussed it with Morland, with no

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further activity and no evidence of any threat, Halt no

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longer regarded the incident as especially urgent. The Halt Memo

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was released to the public in nineteen eighty three after

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the American Citizens Against the UFO Secrecy Organization successfully launched

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a freedom of information backed request to release the document.

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Both the USAF and the Ministry of Defense have consistently

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stated the activity detailed in the Halt Memo is of

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no defense interests, but former UK Defense chief and Chairman

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of the NATO Military Committee, Lord Hill Norton thinks differently.

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Only two conceivable explanations for what happened. Either a uphoe

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landed there causing the damage and collateral business, or the

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deputy commander of a United States nuclear armed air base

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in Britain and several hundred of his men were hallucinating.

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Now I put it to you, I put it to

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anybody with an atom of common sense, either of those explanations,

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and they are the only two possible explanations must be

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of defense interest.

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In the early nineteen nineties, while head of the mod's

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UFO Desk, researcher Nick Pope conducted a cold case review

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into the Rendosham incident. According to Pope, the reality was

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that the MOD were unable to find any credible explanation

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for the incident and classified it as unexplained. Pope thinks

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the original investigation was hobbled by confusion over jurisdiction, the

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wrong day quoted in Halt's memo, delays, and some destruction

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of evidence. Suspiciously, Charles A. Gabriel, the commander in chief

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of the USAF in Europe, made an unscheduled trip to

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Bentwater shortly after the incident. Gabriel was briefed about the

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incident and removed a large amount of evidence, much of

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which was never seen again. Nick Pope reveals that Gabriel's

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intervention caused disconnection at the MOD. It directly contradicts the

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official USAF line that they had no interest in the

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incident and that it should be handed over to the British.

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In fact, the.

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MOD was never made aware of Gabriel's visit, what evidence

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he took, and the results of any subsequent investigation. Skeptics

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have long struggled to dismiss the Halt memo. Colonel Halt's

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credibility is difficult question, as he had a distinguished forty

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two year military career and retired in nineteen ninety one

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with the highest peacetime award given by the Secretary of Defense.

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Halt never spoke publicly about the incident until he retired.

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He is therefore the most reputable senior military figure for

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which we have direct contemporary documentary evidence discussing an encounter

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in a UFO case. Halt's memo rules out the idea

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that the incident may have been some kind of joke

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fueled by Yule type spirit. A deputy commander of a

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nuclear facility like Halt would clearly never escalate such a

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hoax to the British government. While his memo cannot easily

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be dismissed, the deputy commander is also the source of

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arguably an even more convincing piece of evidence in the

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form of an eighteen month minute audio tape of a

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real live UFO encounter. Halt's eighteen minute tape of the

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party's seven hour expedition in the woods is unique amongst

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all UFO cases, and that it contains Halt and several

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other military personnel's live reactions to UFO phenomena occurring around them.

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The officers featured on the tape are Halt, Sergeant Monroe,

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Neville's Sergeant Robert Ball, Sergeant Adrian Pastinta, and Lieutenant Bruce England.

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The men could be heard inspecting the original landing site

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Burrows and Peniston found two nights earlier, and as they

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survey the area, things start to get interesting.

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Yeah, one of these trees that in the blacks, but

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we assume as the landing site all ab an abrasion

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facing in the same direction towards the seventh circle. Say

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it back down here, pickure that time of the collection.

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Let me see that.

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Well, I wanna see the funny that's that's you're wording

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about the oprasion and all I never see it's uh,

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they never see a point? Is the damnage? React that

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I have a bottle to put that in. Yeah, if

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you gotta say it a bottle his head or the

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tell itself. Uh yeah, here a Cititi size drap tall

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I don't like, about four feet off the ground, about

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a hundred ten degrees getting lean of about four clicks. Yes, Uh,

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I mean it. Uh, it's the that's there. I think

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it's something on in the ground. I think it's something

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that's something valuable. Tree right on plays about the first light,

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but we've seen or about a hundred and fifty two

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hundred yards from a fight. Everything else is just.

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Breactly calm, there's no doubt about it.

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There's some type of strange flash and red light. It

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has the h I saw y'all attending it too weird

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it it appears that you make a move little.

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Bit this way.

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Yes, it's light and has that they'll it's.

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Coming his way.

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It's definitely coming his way a bus. This is weird.

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Hey, guys, Ryan spread here from somewhere in the Skies.

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The podcast has always been and always will be completely

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free for you to listen to, but creating it every

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week takes a lot of time, research and resources, and

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482
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.839
one popular suggestion from skeptics to debunk what is captured

483
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.160
on this tape is that the men were observing light

484
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.759
from the nearby Orfordness Lighthouse. Vince Thurkettle, the local forester

485
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.839
who's familiar with this site, explained his theories on both

486
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.279
the lights that the officers had witnessed and the physical

487
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.599
trace marks believed to have been left behind from the craft.

488
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.759
Twenty odd years of playing in woods taught me what

489
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.839
to see, and this site was ordinary. It was just

490
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.720
ordinary and natural. Nothing strung unusual had happened there. Sure enough,

491
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.519
the landing site had some sticks marking three of these

492
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.400
which were roughly in a triangle, but as a forester

493
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.640
to me, there were nothing more than rabbit scrapes. They

494
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.880
certainly weren't the feet marks of some craft having landed.

495
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.519
Every single shred of physical evidence I'd seen could be

496
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.720
explained away naturally. Just off to the side is where

497
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.000
the allage landing happened, So the American patrol would have

498
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.599
come through here somewhere and out to the edge of

499
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.319
the forest, which is out on our right, from where

500
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.079
you look out over the fields, over the few houses,

501
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.079
and out towards the lighthouse. I've been jogging down this

502
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.759
track at night, and the first time I saw the lighthouse,

503
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.759
I really thought it was poachers with a lamp in

504
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.880
the forest. So I knew that to people who weren't

505
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.359
ready for it, the lighthouse really appeared to be a

506
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.640
pulsing light within the forest. That I knew that from earlier.

507
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.480
And I think the fact that the lighthouse can only

508
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.319
be seen from very certain parts of the forest, and

509
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.759
one of them is exactly where the or the alleged

510
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:05.680
landing happened.

511
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.599
While Thurkettle's theory should obviously be considered, there are some

512
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.519
serious issues with his theories. The most obvious is that

513
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.599
the lighthouse pre dates the then thirty eight year old

514
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.240
military bases. Yet none of the thousands of men and

515
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.119
women who had served at the base during the time

516
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.599
had ever mistaken the lighthouse for a UFO before. Indeed,

517
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.599
since these were US Air Force bases with military aircraft

518
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.839
coming in and out multiple times a day, it seems

519
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:42.279
somewhat unlikely that trained airmen would make such an obvious mistake. Furthermore,

520
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.400
the beam from the orpheredness is deliberately dimmed when shining

521
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.559
inland by a blocking plate fitted around the lens. A

522
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.160
lighthouse's beam also fails to match the actual nature of

523
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.960
the observations made. Colonel Charlesholt himself also dismissed the lighthouse theory,

524
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.039
stating that quote A lighthouse doesn't move through the forests.

525
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.599
A lighthouse doesn't go up and down. It doesn't explode,

526
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.440
doesn't change shape, size, doesn't send down beams of light

527
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:16.519
from the sky end quote. Some of the military witnesses,

528
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.679
such as Jim Pettison and Fred Buren, had already stated

529
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.400
they had heard over the radios that radar stations had

530
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.920
trapped an uncorrelated target or a bogie on the radar.

531
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.440
In her book You Can't Tell the People, author Georgina

532
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:37.719
Bruney fond former radar operators who claimed that a strange

533
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.119
object had been tracked in Rendoshum on the night of

534
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:46.440
the first sightings. More recently, two USAF air traffic controllers

535
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.960
at bent Waters have come forward with similar accounts. In

536
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.800
an interview with author and UFO researcher Robert Hastings, James H.

537
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.760
Carey and Ivan R. Barker gave their own testimony for

538
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.519
the very first time, having seen the objects on radar

539
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.880
and then with their own eyes.

540
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.039
I was just sitting there and I happened to see

541
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.039
a dot come on the scope and it just went

542
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.800
like one dot at beginning to another dot, another dot,

543
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.719
and it was gone. So the scope is one hundred

544
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.360
and twenty miles across. It was just phenomenal me to

545
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.599
see it go that fast all of a sudden hear

546
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.679
it come back across again. It went one, two, and

547
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.440
then it made the immediate right hand turn and came

548
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.039
right towards the base. You know, I just said, that

549
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.559
can't be one of ours. No jet at that speed

550
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.320
can make an immedia right hand turn. Just absolutely phenomenal.

551
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:41.000
It's not like any radar target I've ever seen. When

552
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.840
they sweep would hit the target, you would have the

553
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.960
entire back of it would be like a solid line

554
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.719
traveling in the extremely high rated speed. It passed over

555
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.639
the control tower and then it stopped. I've never seen

556
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:03.320
anything in my life like maneuverability that happened with this object.

557
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:07.119
Was an orangeish color. Sort of popped into my mind

558
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.400
at the time that somebody's flying a basketball out here.

559
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.480
There were lights around the center of it, but it

560
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.239
wasn't like running lights or navigational lights.

561
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.320
It was more like portholes.

562
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.000
And then you were seeing the light from the inside

563
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.159
coming out. It wasn't, you know, flashing lights or anything.

564
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:32.119
But it over momentarily reversed its horse and went back

565
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:33.880
out at a high ratus.

566
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.400
B The MOTS released UFO files do demonstrate that they

567
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.039
sought to corroborate the radar readings, but were hampered by

568
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.079
the fact that records had been destroyed and some of

569
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.760
the cameras used to record the radar ratings were conveniently

570
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:53.320
not working during the days in question. Well, there are

571
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.840
countless witnesses with highly credible backgrounds that witnessed the events

572
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.119
in Rendo from forest. They're simply will always be those

573
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:05.920
who want to attribute prosaic answers to what happened. And

574
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.960
besides the lighthouse theories, there are a few other explanations

575
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:14.159
that should at least be brought up. It's notable that

576
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.480
the period of the twenty fifth and twenty sixth of

577
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.639
December coincided with a confluence of unusual atmospheric phenomena. Shortly

578
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.119
before the first cluster of sightings at Rendelschem, a Russian

579
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:31.239
cosmo's seven forty nine satellite burnt up over western Europe

580
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.559
and was widely reported as a UFO by multiple civilians.

581
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.239
Another rare event, the burning up of a meteor in

582
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.599
the atmosphere, occurred in the early hours of the twenty

583
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:47.639
sixth of December. This meteor produced an unusually bright fireball

584
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:53.360
and was visible throughout southeast England. There are pros and

585
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.480
cons to these alternative possibilities. It's certainly a striking coincidence

586
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.719
that the period of the observed UFIL activity corresponded in

587
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.800
time and location with at least three viable sources of

588
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:12.360
false positives meteor satellites and of course the lighthouse. These

589
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.159
clearly cannot be overlooked and must surely account for at

590
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.679
least some of the lights people claimed to have seen

591
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.320
during that Christmas weekend. If these mistaken sightings could be

592
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:26.119
eliminated from the list of observed UFOs at Rendoshum, then

593
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.800
the incident might start to look a little less impressive. However,

594
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.199
the rocket and the meteor are both short lived events

595
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:38.280
and don't adequately explain the nature of most of the observations,

596
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.760
nor the fact that they were spread out over several

597
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:47.159
hours over three separate nights. Likewise, the lighthouse cannot account

598
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.960
for the majority of the sightings as it simply was

599
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:55.800
not visible in the locations. So besides these alternative explanations,

600
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.920
I want to focus again on two of the primary

601
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.599
witnesses meant earlier who seemed to be keeping this case

602
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:08.119
alive with developing stories. Those witnesses are Jim Peniston and

603
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.920
John Burrows. Jim Peniston now says he spent forty five

604
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.280
minutes examining the craft he observed in the first night,

605
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.079
noting symbols on the body of the craft. He also

606
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.559
says he touched the skin of the craft and received

607
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.039
a telepathic message in binary code.

608
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.280
Oh, it's absolutely was telepathic. It wasn't like I could

609
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.840
see it in front of me like visually it was.

610
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.199
It was like it was a pictorial that was running

611
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.599
a movie in my in my brain, you know it

612
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.039
was it wasn't. It was a mind's eye kind of thing. Yeah,

613
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.320
it wasn't. I couldn't physically actually see something all and

614
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.519
uh it was flashings of zeros and ones. And later

615
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.880
we find out some type of binary code, which I, uh,

616
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.079
be honest with you, I have trouble with algebra or

617
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.920
I'm not a math person by no means on computer.

618
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.880
And in nineteen eighty I don't think we even had

619
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.800
computers that we used, so it was foreign. I did

620
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.920
record the the glyphs at the scene, but when I

621
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:15.840
went home in the following day, I know I can't

622
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.440
get these images. I mean, they're just like, they're ones

623
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.199
and zero zero, They're all in my head. So I

624
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.199
felt compelled through round now. So I grabbed my notebook,

625
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.679
flipped it open, and then I did the most crazy thing.

626
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.039
I thought, no world, I wrote these ones in Cerio's

627
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.239
all the way down. It's like twelve fourteen pages of them.

628
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.679
And anyway, at a certain point when I got done,

629
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.159
I had no more imaging. Now I'm not at the craft,

630
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.480
I'm at home. I go back to Ipswich and this

631
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.039
is what this is happening. And then once I'd done it,

632
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.880
though the imaging was gone, so I thought, great, now

633
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.159
can I tell somebody that that I went? It was

634
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:57.719
imaging in my living room, went home in Ipswich, and

635
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.719
I had to rhyme down. I'm okay now I did

636
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.519
not tell anybody that happened.

637
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:07.079
Since coming forward with these theories, Jim Peniston had this

638
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:11.320
binary code deciphered and it apparently picked up the message

639
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:18.760
quote exploration of humanity continuous for planetary advancement end quote.

640
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:22.360
There are also some coordinate points in the binary code

641
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.400
to high Brazil, the location of a legendary advanced and

642
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:31.559
highly moral ethical Earth civilization, now the location of a

643
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.360
submerged island west of Ireland. This and several other coordinates

644
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.119
were found as well. This will be explored in an

645
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.519
upcoming book by Jim Peniston called The Rendoschump Enigma. Jim

646
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.480
Pedison's claims are intriguing, but many do question its veracity.

647
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.719
In fact, there is no mention of this binary code

648
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.960
in his original witness statements, nor is there anything remotely

649
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.559
resembling this version of events in his radio communications with

650
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.559
his commanders at the base. John Burrows also does not

651
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.960
remember Peniston making any notes during the entire period they

652
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.639
observed the object, but there are missing gaps in time

653
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.960
between the two witnesses when the event occurred. So I

654
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.880
guess for now we'll just have to take Jim's word

655
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.840
for it. The next string of events is much more

656
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:27.000
grounded in official documentation and just pure fact. It involves

657
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.320
John Burrows, the officer who accompanied Peniston that night, but

658
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.119
it also involves a legal battle, the help of a

659
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.719
sixth term American Senator, and perhaps an entirely new outlook

660
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.400
on the render t from Forrest Instinct and what it

661
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.360
may have been. But let's get back to John for

662
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.760
just a moment, because he was one of the officers

663
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.719
that got closest to the craft, and as the years

664
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.880
went on, he became more and more sick from what

665
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.079
he believed was due to the event that night in

666
00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.000
the forest. In twenty eleven, John Burrows begins to offer

667
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.159
during periodic life threatening atrio fibrillation, also known as aphib

668
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:10.320
a quivering or irregular heartbeat that can lead to blood cloths, stroke,

669
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.119
heart failure, and other heart related complications. He filed for

670
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.960
Veterans Administration medical benefits, but was denied when the VA

671
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.519
staff said there was no record of his serving at

672
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.480
RIF bent Waters and Woodbridge. John sought legal help in Jackson, Mississippi,

673
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.679
and hired attorney Pat Frescogna. John's VIA case then went

674
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:40.320
to the office of Arizona's U S Senator John McCain. Eventually,

675
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.400
the VA admitted knowledge of John's service at RAF bent Waters,

676
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:50.000
but found those medical records were classified. By twenty thirteen,

677
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:55.280
needing open heart surgery to repair seriously damaged valves, John

678
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.039
was angry and frustrated at not being able to get

679
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.119
VIA medical disability coverage, which it was at this point

680
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.320
when he learned of a former top secret UK restricted

681
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:11.360
project called Project condemn It had been quietly declassified in

682
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.400
two thousand and six, and it contained information that directly

683
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:21.920
linked exposure to radiation to possible unexplained lights in the sky. Here,

684
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:26.880
former UFO Desk official Nick Pope describes Project Condegn for

685
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.519
US and its relevancy to this case.

686
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:35.400
Project Condeyne was an intelligent study into the UFO phenomenon

687
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:41.440
carried out by the Defense Intelligence staff in the Ministry

688
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:46.679
of Defense. Project Condyne was an attempt to do a

689
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:52.440
proper intelligence assessment of the UFO phenomenon. The Condoine Report,

690
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.840
the final report is arguably one of the most important

691
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:00.679
UFO documents of all time, and it ran to over

692
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.199
four hundred and sixty eight pages. I think at the

693
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:11.480
time it's classification was secret UK highs. Only a proper

694
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:16.639
intelligence assessment attempted to draw together all the data that

695
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.679
we had and really answer the more important strategic question,

696
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:27.000
what is all this you know? Never mind the case

697
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.320
by case analysis. Put it all together.

698
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:30.159
What have we got?

699
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.719
What are we dealing with? Bear in mind this was

700
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.920
a British intelligence study, highly classified at the time it

701
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.119
was written. It was never conceived that it was going

702
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:46.480
to be released, and essentially it says, yeah, the witnesses

703
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.599
that encountered the UFO in Rahndlesham Forest were probably irradiated

704
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.719
by it. Once John and Jim's attorney put that document

705
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.679
to the VA and said, hey, wait a minute, you've

706
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denied the US government has denied that this ever took place.

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You might want to read this British intelligence assessment.

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Finally, under pressure from Senator John McCain's office, the VA

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arranged John's urgent open heart surgery. From mid December twenty thirteen,

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he began to recover to more normal health, but without

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VA medical benefits or his RAF Bentwaters medical records, and

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he didn't believe that to be right, that officers were

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not being treated for what presumably happened during this and

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several other close encounters with the UFOs and their physical

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effects on officers here, John Burrows states, such at the

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citizens hearing on disclosure to former Senators in twenty thirteen

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at the National Press Club.

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The first night, there were three of us one out there.

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The second night you had the shift commander and the

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on duty flight chief. On the third night, Connel Halt

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took a team out there, and there was also other

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personnel in the woods, and different people saw different things.

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So that's one of the reasons why we would come forward,

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besides our health issues, is I feel it's necessary that

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anyone that was even out in that area should have

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the opportunity to be checked out medically and be told

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what they were exposed to, especially something that's over thirty

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years old. What the heck was going on out there

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that would draw this much attention from the agencies involved

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to this day, what would still be classified and if

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it is, what did we have or what we were dealing

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with that would still remain silent today. Almost every weapon

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we've ever developed back in that time frame has been

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exposed that we're aware of, and yet today this is

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still classified and we can't even receive medical treatment for it.

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By January twenty thirty, twenty fourteen, John Begon filing freedom

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of information requests with the mod and by the spring

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and fall of twenty fourteen, the UK Ministry of the

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Events finally admitted it withheld at least eighteen classified UFO files.

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Upon this happened, John Burrows finally got the news he

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wanted all along.

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The United States Government has for the first time ever

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acknowledged by the fact of the law suspected reality of

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the UFO phenomenon. John Burrow's encountered a craft of unknown

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origin in England's Rendolsom Forest in December nineteen eighty and

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suffered injury there, fall for which the Veterans Administration is

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now recognized by brand EM'SALM full medical disavelopment.

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Since John Burrows and Jim Penison have come forward, many

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other witnesses have followed.

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Seat.

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In twenty sixteen, Steve Loungero, who served as a police

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sergeant for the USAF stated that he was guarding the

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weapons storage area during the event in the highly sophisticated

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A line systems had been triggered by something over the base.

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He would describe very similar accounts as Charles Holt, presumably

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witnessing the same craft at the same time at completely

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different vantage points. It is no easy task to cover

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this entire event, the detailed testimony of those involved, and

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then trying to come out on the other side with answers.

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Despite controversy, debates, half truths, lies and documented proof, the

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hard evidence from the time remains unengaged. Whatever stories are

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told and whatever information continues to develop, Something very real

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happened in the woods at Randoshum Forests that, as the

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MO defiles themselves now conclude, remains unexplained. This episode was

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co written and directly inspired by the Unredacted dot com

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Audio clips were provided by countless YouTube channels under the

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Fair Use Agreement. Selected audio provided by Jeremy Peasley, the

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National Archives, the Disclosure Project, the Citizens Hearing, Exopolitics Germany,

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the BBC and CNN special assignments. This episode was produced

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by me Ryan Sprague, with special thanks to Peter Robbins,

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Nick Pope Jim Peniston, John Burrows, and the many men

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and women who served under the US Air Force before, during,

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and after the Rendellscharm incident. Remember, keep your feet on

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the ground, but never stop searching. Somewhere in the Scots.

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