Feb. 19, 2026

The Neuroscience of Spirituality ft. Dr. Flores AKA LaTarotina

The Neuroscience of Spirituality ft. Dr. Flores AKA LaTarotina
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Do you ever look at someone and wonder, "What's going on inside their head?" In this episode of Susto, Ayden chats with neuroscientist and intuitive Dr. Flores, AKA LaTarotina, to dissect the science behind spirituality and our brains!

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A cool friends, it's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way,

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I am still your host and you are still listening

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to Sousto, the podcast of paranormal folcal or from Latin

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American Cultures. Welcome back, Thank you so much for being here.

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We are in the full swing of the new year,

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and today I'm coming at you with as you've seen

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in the title, an interview featuring doctor Bianca Floides aka Latartina.

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This is a very interesting episode to me personally. Listen,

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this episode was for me, sary, but it was so good.

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Doctor Floyda's and I interacted on TikTok just a couple

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of weeks ago, and I loved to comment. I was like,

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this sounds so cool. Well, I love the work that

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you're doing. And before I could even send her a message,

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she responded to my comment and she was like, get

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me on the show, and I was like, bet. So

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that's what this is all about. It is all about

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the neuroscience and the metaphysical, the crossover of that, which

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is the work that doctor Floyds does. So we're gonna

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jump into that very soon. I don't want to take

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too much of your time here, because it is a

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really good episode, I will say though, if you want

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get your googles ready, there was a couple things that

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I tried to clarify, some really interesting words that I

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had never heard before that I think doctor Floyd did

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a great job of explaining either way. But in case

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you want, I'm letting you know there is some I mean, hey,

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we're talking to a doctor today, an actual doctor, a scientist,

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so I'm very very excited for that. But I will

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say before we get into that episode, as always, if

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positive ratings and reviews and comments comments like this one

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from miss Unknown on the first episode of SUSTO. Misunknown,

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are you listening from the very beginning welcome? Miss Unknown said, Hey, Aiden,

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I'd like to remain anonymous, but how can we protect

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ourselves from Laurona. I am from Austin, Texas, but my

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family is from Hallischoo, Mexico. Misunknown, I'm in Austin. Maybe

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we can team up and like figure out how to

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keep her away, right, misuknon continues every time I go

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to Mexico, I always hear Laonona crying and saying I

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miss Ecros. Honestly, it pisses me off. Girl. Yeah, I

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encountered her as a kid, but it's a story for

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another time. Misanone, I need you to send that story in.

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And I was terrorized. I'm used to paranormal since I'm

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from Texas and not afraid, but I do get pissed.

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So basically, how do we protect ourselves or how do

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we prevent Laurona? I mean, I'm going to tell you

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what my mom told me growing up, which was do

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not go near those bodies of water at night. I

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think just in general, that's a good rule, yourna or not,

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because if something were to happen, if you were to

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fall in it's dark, it's hard to see. So let's

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stay away from bodies of water at night. As far

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as like preventing her or protecting ourselves, I think distance

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is the key, right, is if you hear those cries,

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you create some distance between you. If you're in a home,

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lock the doors, close the windows, all that. If you

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have your other protections, you can light herbs, resins, incense.

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Gobal is one of my go tos. That's one of

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my favorites. If you believe in prayer or spells, use those. Honestly,

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I think the power resides in you. But I think

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above all, don't be a kid, right, that's what she's after.

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Just don't be a kid. Grow up. No, I'm kidding,

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Miss unknown. Thank you so much for sending that comment

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in all right, now we will go ahead and jump

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into today's episode. I hope that you all enjoyed this

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one as much as I did. It was so much fun.

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Please welcome doctor Bianka Floorida's Akatotina. I'm very excited for

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this interview. This is this is really cool because we

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found each other on TikTok literally like a week ago,

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and immediately we're like, let's do this, which is so cool.

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And it's funny because I'm constantly saying on the show,

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I'm not a ghost doctor, I'm not a brain doctor

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or whatever, and now we have a real doctor on Sousto,

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Doctor Bianca Floides, thank you so much for joining us today. Welcome, Yes,

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thank you.

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So much for having me. I'm very excited to be here.

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Very very excited. Thank you.

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So.

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For those of you who are unfamiliar, if you haven't

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seen her page yet, doctor Bianca Flodas is a neuroscientist

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and a taro and le normand card reader. Did I

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pronounce that one right? Yea perfect. So for those of

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us who are not doctors and who are not neuroscientists,

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I want to give just a really brief sort of

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what the Google search gave me, or rather the National

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Institutes of Health. They say that neuroscience aims to understand

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how the nervous system works to produce and regulate emotion, thought, behavior,

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and critical bodily functions, including breathing and keeping the heart beating.

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But I would like to hear from the actual doctor herself.

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Can you tell us a bit about neuroscience and your

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your study of neuroscience.

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Yeah, yeah, so okay, my actual study of neuroscience. So

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I'm academically trained, I did doctoral training in neuroscience. My

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research back when I was in graduate school focused on

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the perfile nervous system. So I really focused on everything

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outside of the brain, which was fun and interesting and

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I feel like doesn't get enough funding love, But I

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know there's a lot of places that aren't getting enough

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funding love right now. But yeah, I mean I very

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much am in line with the definition from the NAH.

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I think it's a pretty good description. We're always trying

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to understand, you know, what we're thinking, Like everybody has brains.

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We all have brains, and we also want to know

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I think how we function. I think it's like an

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innate desire in humans to understand like why are we

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like this, why do we do this? What is this?

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What is this really about? And our brain really controls

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controls all of that and so anyway, so that was

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my focus in graduate school. And then I can go

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into like a little bit more of the background if

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that's helpful.

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Like, yeah, I absolutely, I think it would be really

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cool to hear about your journey. I also love how

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generous you are in saying that everybody has brains, because

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I don't know. I've met some people where I'm like,

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is there anything in there? Please? Like I know it's hollow,

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but absolutely, I think we would love to hear about

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the rest of your journey, like in your doctorate program,

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especially because unfortunately, you know, we know that, like the

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nas are severely underrepresented as people with PhDs, And so

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definitely want to take a moment to give you your

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flowers for that congratulations because that's amazing, but also, yeah,

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I want to hear more about what that was like

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for you.

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Yeah. Yeah. So so I'll start like kind of in

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the beginning. So I went to undergrad at the University

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of Rochester and Upstate New York, where I studied neuroscience.

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Part of the reason being so I was like a

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weird kid in high school. I just like studied a law.

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I love to study, I love to learn, and I

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was always really interested in the brain, but more specifically

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how the brain affected everything else. So like now there's

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a lot of really good research that shows how the

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brain affects the body, but back, like you know, ten

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fifteen years ago, there wasn't that kind of research, and

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I remember being in high school. So I did the

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IV program, the International Baccalaureate program. So if anybody who

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is listening knows what that is, like, shout out to

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all the other ibeers. But basically, it's just like an

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academic program kind of similar to AP except the last

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two years and you kind of have to do like

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you basically do like a senior thesis, and I did

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mine on psycho neuro immunology, which is basically how the mind,

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you know, the mind the body. And the person who

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coined that term was at the University of Rochester doing research,

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hence why I wanted to go there and do research

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with him. But the year I got there, he retired,

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so I was just like, well, well, just well study neuroscience.

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It'll be fine. And then I got into a research

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lab that focused on Huntington's disease. And so for people

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who aren't familiar with it, it's a rare genetic disorder

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that causes really severe disabilities with people. Most kids that

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get it don't survive to adulthood, so it's pretty it's

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pretty serious. And then right after undergrad I went directly

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into my PhD program at Vanderbilt, where I did my

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PhD in neuroscience. And like I said, during my graduate

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school work I focused on I focused on perfule neuropathy.

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So if you've ever had the feeling of like your

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hands tingling and it's like super painful. Perfule neuropathy is

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kind of like that, accept a lot more intense, a

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lot more playful. There's different like it can feel like,

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you know, knives and needles in your in your extremities.

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The particular form I studied is interesting because I'm not familiar.

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I don't know if you're familiar with this region of

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Canada that's like really well studied in the scientific community

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because when French colonizers came over to this particular region,

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it's called the Charlotte walla sack lacks Saint John region

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or no, sorry, Saint like John, I confuse the terms

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of any so Charlotte region. A lot of people in

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this area have these very rare inherited diseases due to

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the interbreeding that happened, because they can trace it to

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like one specific French couple who came over and yeah,

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so that the disease I studied came from that region

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and it's just a rare form of inherited perfule neuropathy.

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In some cases, some of the kids, their halves of

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their brain didn't connect because they were missing their eight

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the region that's called the Corpus colossum and the corpus

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colosm connects the two halves of our brain. So there

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are some cases where the kids are missing that and

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they can have really severe disabilities, intellectual disabilities, or have

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severe seizures, things like that. So I looked at mouse

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models that had that form of disease, and Yeah, I

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loved doing my PhD. I loved learning. It was a

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lot of fun. It was like the best of times

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the worst of times.

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That's what I hear from a lot of people who

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get like their their their graduate degrees, like even with

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master's programs and like PhDs. I've considered getting my master's program.

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And my boyfriend and my ghost writer here at Sustoa,

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he has his masters, And I think one thing he

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told me was that it's kind of like a test

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of how stubborn someone is. So I can imagine a PhD.

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You know, that's a little bit I think more intense.

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But I do want to go back to something that

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you just say that really stuck out to me. Was

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essentially like a really nice, kind of pocketed type explanation

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of neuroscience is how the mind affects the body, and

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I think that is really relevant to the conversation that

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we're about to have, and to the work that obviously

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that you do, and to things that I've spoken about

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on this show, because you know, the title of the

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show itself susto, and I'm sorry listeners that I'm always

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given the definition. I'm always talking about it. But that's

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what it's all about, right is It's susto. It is

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a it's a cultural illness. It's a phenomenon. I know

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that you're well aware of this, but that is that's it,

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right there. It is it is something something that happens

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in the mind and also in the spirit that then

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can affect the body physically. It manifests physically. And so

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I think there are well, no, I think there there

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are a ton of articles, academic, anecdotal that I come

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across in doing this work, and I have books here

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too that it's all about. That it's all about like

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the new logical link between the concept or the illness

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of susto and like how that impacts people's lives. And so,

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you know, I mentioned earlier that you are a card reader,

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but you also do a lot of metaphysical work, and

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so I'm really really interested to talk about that crossover like,

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how did you get into the metaphysical I feel like

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it's just subconsciously part of so many Latina people's lives,

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especially those of us raised like in the Catholic Church.

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There's this almost inevitable kind of cross into like folk

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Catholicism or like folk magic. Right, And you've also mentioned

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online that it's also been part of your life and

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your parents were a bit into it as well, So

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again I'm curious how these things cross over, but also

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how you made your way into metaphysical work.

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was always into this, and later on when I had

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a conversation with her, she said, like before, like when

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my oldest sister was firstborn, she really wasn't into it,

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but then my other sister and I were born, She's like,

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I started getting more into it. I wanted to like

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be more open minded. So she you know, I remember

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going to like metaphysical affairs with her when I was

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a kid, and she was always like, she's also like

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a strong devotee of Guadeloupe, and she like has very

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strong like Catholic faith, but she like also very much

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is dabbles in the metaphysical believes and energy work and

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all of that. She does like rereaky on her dogs

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and stuff.

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But also who hasn't had their dog like gotten like

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like Buddy with the level or something some form of

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energy healing or like Limpia.

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Yeah, yeah, we've definitely, yeah, we've done this too. And

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then my dad, I think he still has like a

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little bit of trouble admitting it, but I know from

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his past and his youth era he was like really

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into a lot of like candlework and all of that

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good stuff. And he's very He's like a double scorpio.

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He's like a scorpio sun, scorpio rise, a scorpio moon,

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and so he has a lot of these like spidy senses,

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and I think that's just like very common and also

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in a lot of Latino families that we just have

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spidy senses that are just off the charts.

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And so so he it wasn't until like my adult

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life that I started asking him more about it, and

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he's like slowly opening up about it. But in terms

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of like the four way before it and like getting

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into it, I was kind of always open to it,

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but it wasn't until graduate schools I had like can

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an event, Like I just had this like really terrible

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relationship in my twenties, Like it was like really bad,

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Like he was kind of like manipulative, emotionally visive, like

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just really all the terrible things, right, And it's it's hard,

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right because grad school. I always tell people when they

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are thinking about graduate school, they also have to prepare

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themselves to deal with any issues they have because all

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that stuff comes up during that time. Because graduate school

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is an emotionally trying time. You are in a system

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that gas lights you all the time, that questions your credibility,

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that questions your intelligence, all of that. So therefore that

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bleeds them to the rest of your life anyway, at

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least that's been my experience. So all of these issues

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just kind of come up, and you have to be

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ready to deal with them as well. I was dealing

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with that relationship where I was like I was also

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getting gas lit all the time. I was also like

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questioning my self ward things like that, and he was

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from another culture and I came to the conclusion that

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he was doing metaphysical work on me. And I was like,

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because what I noticed, like there are two things can

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be true at once, right, Like somebody can be emotionally

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exhaustive and an energy vampire to you and like draining

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your energy. And also they can be doing things on

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the metaphysical and still training your energy. And so that's

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the conclusion that I came to in graduate school. And

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then finally I was able to leave that relationship, thank god.

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But after that I had a lot of like stress

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and trauma from it, and so I went to like

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Mexican healers. Like I did the therapy work, right, I

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like got the free therapy from Vanderbilt, thank you. But

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also I I went to Mexican Healers, and I was

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telling my mom like, look, I can't explain it, like

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and she knows everything. I've told her everything and why

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I think he was tabling in the metaphysical arts. But

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it was to the point where I was like frightened

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and scared, and I was like, I don't know what

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he did, but he did something. Scared. Yeah, just I

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could tell you like a lot of crazy stories, but

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we won't. That's not what this is about. The pin

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is we became empowered, we found our power. But it

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was like talking to these healers and doing the energy

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work with them, It's like, what am I scared of?

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There is nothing afraid of you, because especially like I

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think talk to a lot of these Mexican healers or

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healers in general, right, I just say Mexican, because like

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that's a culture you come from, That's what I'm used to.

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There is a sense of work that they do and

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that you, as a healer, have to do to hold

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yourself accountable, to work through your own bs, to work

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through your own traumas. Therefore you're then able to explain

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and communicate and transfer that wisdom to the people that

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you work with so that they can do the same

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for themselves. And so when I remember one of the

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things like that just like resonated with me. When I

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was telling, you know him, like my Mexican healer that

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I was talking to at the time, like my story

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and what was happening and how Scato was and he's like,

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I know nothing about where he's from. What I know,

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I'm from Mexico and I do this. And he was

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like standing on his ship, you don't know anything about

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Mexicans and this is what we do.

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And I was like, yeah, oh my god, I like

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isot I'm gonna treat my headphone cord like hair, and

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I'm I just really before we continue this, like I

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want to like give you a hug and be like yes, Diva.

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Especially that question that you ask that is such a

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powerful question, and I want everybody to ask themselves that

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question when they get a chance, what are you actually

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scared of? Because it's really hard. I've been in a

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similar position in a really toxic, abusive relationship and that

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it's just it's weird when that I guess some people

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may call it like shadow work, you know, or sometimes

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like something really it's everybody pull your bingo cards out,

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the word's gonna come out. It's a really traumatic event

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that might have to like do that shift for you?

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Is you when you're able to see it from that

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perspective and like ask if I could write this, and

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maybe sometimes you need to actually physically write it down,

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write down what am I actually scared of? Like that

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can hand over so much power to you because sometimes

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it's like, oh, this isn't like this isn't real, or

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this doesn't matter, or I'm it's not much hanger than this. Yeah,

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it's not my fear to carry exactly. Oh my god,

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I'm just like, and for those of you who are

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not on video because videos for a Patreon only, but

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if you're watching video, you're gonna see me just like

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constantly throwing my hands up and tossing my headphone cord

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around because yes, everything you're saying is just so like

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I feel so especially we're recording this the week of

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January sixteenth. We all know what's been happening in the world,

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but hearing this conversation, I think, is really like I

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can feel it, like it's like a deep breath, you know,

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It's like filling up my lungs again. So thank you

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for that, because these are all very powerful messages that

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I think, even if we've been through that metamorphosis, we

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need to continually hear it and to share it with

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each other. So oh my god, Okay, sorry to interrupt

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this go off for a moment.

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But like during that time as well, I think because

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I was like, can I do better? Like I am

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doing better for myself academically, I'm about to I'm about

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to be a doctor, Like my life needs to change

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and I need to start acting like like that. Right,

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So then I started getting into more self work. I

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went so because I was in Nashville. They don't have

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botanicas there, right, they have metaphysical shops. And so I

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went into a metaphysical shop to get my cards read.

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And it wasn't Taro. They did Le Norman because like,

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Le Norman is a lot more prominent in the South,

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because Le Norman is actually a French German card like

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form of cards to Nancy, and so a French colonizers

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came in through the South and that's why you know,

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Le Norman's more popular popular there. You'll be able to

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find more Le Norman readers there. And I went and

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I realized as he was pulling the cards I was

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reading along with him. I was like, oh, I think

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I can do this. And so then I got a

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deck for myself and I started pulling cards every day

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and I enjoyed it so much, and I started pulling

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cards for my friends, and like friends and family would

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call me, and it was kind of again at the

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same time as I was like graduating, leaving that relationship,

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those things are coming in. And so then I graduated,

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and right after graduate school, I did my post doc

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at Johns Hopkins, where I studied how the brain was

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affected in HIV patients or so how HIV effects the brain.

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And I did a lot of lab work. I worked

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with patient samples and like got their cells and it

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was all really good and interesting work. But it was

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also during the height of the pandemic, and so there's

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just like a lot of things going on at that

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time where I was stressed. I knew I didn't want

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to be in the lab forever. I loved my PI.

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She was wonderful. She was a really great boss and

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just like a really amazing researcher, but again there was

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like the thing of like I don't feel like I

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am where I'm supposed to be, and I also am

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like in this system where everybody's getting gas lit. Still

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and like my boss at the time time, I mean still,

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she's like a world renowned researcher, and she also happens

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to be a black woman. And seeing her at Hopkins

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and the way that they questioned her her credibility, I

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just like I was like, yeah, I don't want I

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don't want to bear witness to that because it's just

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one of those things, and like she deserves better, we

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deserve better. Like I just don't want to be in

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a space and place where I'm constantly having to fight

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for that because if she's fighting for that, I gotta

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fight for that too. Yeah, and so so then I decided, Okay,

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so during that time in Baltimore, coming back to the practice,

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I started really getting back into like my egg cleansings,

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my card readings, because I'm like, I need to reregulate.

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Like spending twelve hours in lab just like was not

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was not my not my thing.

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It's a literal sterile environment, yes.

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Yes, and like having to like reawaken myself and not

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drained myself after that, and then I left science. Basically

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after that, I was able to get a job as

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a contractor working remotely with a program that no longer

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exists anymore. By the way. I was a science officer

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and I just like helped review grants for multiple sclursist

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research program but they don't exist anymore. So yeah, I

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mean it was but it was like kind of crazy

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to work for the federal government during that time, even

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as a contractor. So again during so okay, so during

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that time when I got that new job, I moved

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back to Texas. I moved back to San Antonio, and

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I spent time with my grandma, which was like really

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really good. Now, obviously I'm here in Oklahoma City, but

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I was raised by my grandma. I was raised around

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my grandma. I love my grandma. She is somebody who

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is always inspiring to me. But also like that that

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woman that's the head prova right there, like.

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She does that's always the matriarch of the family.

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She just like she's just always knew things. And I'm like,

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how do you know things?

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You know?

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And it's like not just things about like family, well

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definitely thinks about family members, but like she would call

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me up and be like me, Hi, I had a

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dream of you, okay, and I like wouldn't be okay, Yeah.

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No, Literally, I have gotten the same phone call from

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my mom, who for the people who do know me personally,

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my grandmother, I call her my mom because she raised me.

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And I've gotten that phone call. Like We'll be talking

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on the phone and you know, I'm a very I'm

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a cancer, I'm very like expressed with my emotions too.

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I wear my heart on my sleeve, and so like

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we'll be on the phone and she's like, okay, well

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we'll talk to later and we hang up and then

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like five minutes later she calls me back and she's like,

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all right, now, you really got to tell me what's happening.

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And I'm like, what, Like, how did you like, did

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just like just pull it out of you?

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Yeah? No, they just know. And even still she'd be like, hey,

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you kept me up all night.

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You good, and be like, kind of you know the answer, I.

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Mean you already know. Yeah. So I feel like some

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sort of like energy thing happened there because like I

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was able because I always wanted to live with my grandma.

470
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:26.440
I know that sounds weird, but I always wanted to

471
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.039
live with my grandma as an adult because I love

472
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.240
my grandma and we just were like we we vibe,

473
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:36.799
we have fun. And during that time I started to

474
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.400
get deep into my cards. I would talk to her

475
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.359
a lot more about her experiences and things she wanted

476
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.720
to learn, things she couldn't learn. She talked a lot

477
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.559
about her dad, so my great grandpa, and how like

478
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.960
he was he was a healer, and how like he

479
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.880
would help women who were experiencing infertility issues that he

480
00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.119
would help them to get pregnant. I like, you know,

481
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.599
doing massages and doing like different steams and stuff for

482
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.519
them and helping them drink teas and like she's like, yeah,

483
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.079
but I don't know how to do that.

484
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.480
And this is in San Antonio that he was doing that.

485
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.920
No, this was so The like little municipality that she

486
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.759
grew up in is called Candelaria, and it's like right

487
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.480
on the border. Even if you look it up now,

488
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.920
it's like not really a town even it's just a municipality.

489
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.279
It exists at her house, like her backyard had a

490
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.519
footbridge to Mexico. It was right, wow, yeah.

491
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.160
Right on the border, right on the border. Wow, that's

492
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.000
so cool. That's such like a I've had this sort

493
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.920
of conversation with other people to where it's been brought

494
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.279
up in other uh interviews or something that I've done

495
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.160
with with people where they're also from the border, or

496
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.359
they they have family from the border and there they

497
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.079
say that it's just like it's it's like a magical space,

498
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.319
Like the energy is different there, the vibration is different there,

499
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.000
like it's like a liminal space. And I believe that

500
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.839
to be true as someone who grew up there, and

501
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.400
you know, you you you you have family from from

502
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.440
the area, obviously you're at your grandparents, but like it's

503
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.799
just I don't know something about the work that gets

504
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.599
done there, The spiritual work that gets done there is

505
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:13.640
very very interesting.

506
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.799
Yeah, and I almost feel like it definitely has something

507
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.759
to do with all the natural, like all the nature

508
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.079
that just allowed to like thrive there undisturbed, and I

509
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.720
think that has a big part to deal with it.

510
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.240
Well in those kinds of areas, right like in areas

511
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.119
where it's like cities and stuff, it's probably a little

512
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.799
different but still has that liminal space energy. But yeah,

513
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.119
I feel like, yeah, that's a big part of it.

514
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.160
So absolutely, Okay, we're going to take a really quick

515
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:58.119
break and we're back. So I also wanted to talk about,

516
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.480
you know, we mentioned at the top of this and

517
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.039
it's come up a few times about your work with cards,

518
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.640
and I think that there are a lot of misconceptions

519
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.279
and misunderstandings about cards, especially tarot cards, because those are

520
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.200
more i think, common, the more widely known. Many people

521
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.960
think that they can predict the future, or that they

522
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.240
can tell you know what's going to happen next or

523
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.640
what your decisions should be. But you know, as someone

524
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.480
who has kind of started my own journey into learning taro,

525
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.400
and I've known this for a while too from other

526
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.119
people who read Tarro professionally have told me that like,

527
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.680
it's more about introspection. It's used more for self reflection,

528
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:39.160
for spiritual guidance and exploring like personal challenges and stuff

529
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.519
like that. So I'm curious if there are any misconceptions

530
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.359
about the cards that you have come across that you

531
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.640
would maybe like to dispel, or maybe things that people

532
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.480
don't know about the cards that you think they should.

533
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:55.920
Yes, okay, So before I started reading cards publicly, like

534
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.480
and I mean for people I didn't know, for strangers

535
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.319
at pots, the biggest thing I think I had to

536
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.640
get over again was that fear piece because with the cards, like, yes,

537
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.480
you can definitely open up different things, but I always

538
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.039
tell people it's like protection, protection, protection First, no matter

539
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:16.559
what you do, you always have to call in your protection.

540
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.319
But as well, I think there's this fear that people

541
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.799
have that you can pick up negative energy just from

542
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.480
like the cards and reading somebody. But it's like you

543
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:32.279
can pick up negative energy from just talking to someone

544
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.839
you know. And it's about those boundaries. It's about the hygiene,

545
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.559
the spiritual hygiene, or even let's not even like go there,

546
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.039
it's about body hygiene and body mint hygiene. So like

547
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.079
when you have a stressful situation, if you're at work

548
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.279
or you have like a really heated conversation, what do

549
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.319
you do afterwards to ground yourself? Like, how do you

550
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.519
do that same thing with the cards? It's not anything

551
00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:59.839
to be fearful of. It's not like you can catch

552
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.920
something from someone. And I'm not saying that hasn't happened

553
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.759
or that's not you know, a thing, but that's not

554
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:11.160
really how it works usually. I will say, I think

555
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.880
the reason that there's a lot of fear around the cards,

556
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.119
whether it's Tara Le Norman, you know, a Baudahaespaniel, like all

557
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:24.200
of those cards. I think my belief and I'll die

558
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:30.200
on the cell is cards make you self reflect and

559
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.519
hold up the mirror of accountability and truth about yourself

560
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.119
that you might not be used to. And people telling

561
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.119
the truth about themselves and sitting with it is one

562
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.559
of the hardest things that anybody can do, and a

563
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.119
lot of people aren't ready for that. So I think

564
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.559
that's where a lot of that fear comes from. You know,

565
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.000
even if you try having having an open conversation and honest,

566
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.640
you know, an honest and open conversation with somebody about

567
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.119
how you feel and boundaries you have. That's still kind

568
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.640
of hard to do and accept for people still, especially

569
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.039
if it's like you're talking to your parents and setting

570
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.759
boundaries or you're like talking to somebody from an older generation,

571
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.759
Like that's a hard thing to do because it's not

572
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:11.920
always accepted and you have to always meet people where

573
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:12.200
they are.

574
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.519
Yeah, it's like that question you know that came up

575
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.759
earlier with what are you actually scared of?

576
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:16.880
That?

577
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.079
It is a hard question to ask. But you know,

578
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.759
once you get through that and you answer those questions

579
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.880
or you do that reflection, that accountability, you know, it

580
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:28.119
can be very powerful, but it can also be painful.

581
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.720
Before that, you know, it can be cathartic. So yeah,

582
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.039
I think it's really it's I think it's great that

583
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.319
you that you bring that up, because that's that's also

584
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.440
been part of what I've been discovering too, is and

585
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.759
you know, I'm learning. So every time I pull a card,

586
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.920
I don't I don't really know if it's specifically for me.

587
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:46.519
I think, you know, I'm doing just kind of like

588
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:48.839
sort of like familiarizing myself with them. But there are

589
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.000
days where I'm like I really could use something, or

590
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:53.599
like I really have a question in my mind or

591
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.480
I'm feeling a certain way and like I want to

592
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.480
address that, and then I pull the card and I'm like,

593
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.319
I don't like that.

594
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.319
I rebuke that I got that the.

595
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:08.480
Card I wanted. Which it's so funny to see those

596
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.200
memes when people are like pulling cards from like five

597
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.039
different decks and it's the same card and over and over.

598
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.759
Those are the funniest to me, because yeah, it's definitely

599
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:18.480
it's it's I think that is such a good way

600
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.119
to put that. It's that holding up that mirror to yourself,

601
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.160
whether you're doing a reading for yourself or or you're

602
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.599
getting your reading from someone else. Can you explain a

603
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.119
bit more about what the le normand cards are, because,

604
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.519
like I said, I think Taro's it's very common. We

605
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.000
all have seen a tarot deck either in person online before.

606
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.000
Right le Normand I think is something that I just

607
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.640
started seeing maybe a couple of months ago. But I

608
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.720
think maybe I have some too. I'm not sure like

609
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.359
what would qualify as a le normand deck, So if

610
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.519
you could maybe play that out for us.

611
00:32:54.359 --> 00:33:00.640
So Le Norman, like I mentioned earlier, so lenormand Mademoiselle

612
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.599
Le Norman was allegedly the card reader and channeler for

613
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:09.319
Napoleon Bonaparte during her time, and so at that time,

614
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.079
everybody would put her name on their deck. So this

615
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.559
just happens to be the deck that survived. Now, there

616
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.400
are other accounts, like historical accounts that talk about Le

617
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.240
Norman originating in Germany as a parlor game called the

618
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.000
Game of Hope. And so Le Norman is a thirty

619
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.079
six deck of cards, much smaller. It actually draws a

620
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.319
lot from like a lot of Christian symbology, so take

621
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.119
without what you will. There's also a lot of Catholic sorry,

622
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.559
a lot of Christian symbology in Taro and writer way,

623
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:40.359
and we can get into that in a minute. But

624
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.000
so it draws a lot from that symbolism. And I

625
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.160
will say culture, like the culture you come from really

626
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.119
changes the way that you read in Le Norman, So

627
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.200
like French and German have their own way of reading

628
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.880
versus like the American Le Norman readers versus like you know,

629
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.519
the subcultures within the United States, things like that. So

630
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.640
it's a thirty six steck of cards that starts with

631
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.599
the writer, which is essentially a horse, somebody on a horse,

632
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.840
and each card represents just different different symbols but also

633
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.440
like different stories. So if you're really into storytelling and

634
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.239
you love a good story and you love to tell

635
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.039
a good story, Le Norman might be the one for

636
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.239
you instead of Taro. And I'm not saying don't do both.

637
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.760
I love both, but you might find it easier for

638
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.280
you to start with Le Norman because I didn't learn

639
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.159
this way, but I've seen a lot of people teach

640
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.000
online this way that they treat it like a sentence,

641
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.199
where it's like the noun, the verb, the adjective, uh,

642
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:44.960
so that you can read it all as a sentence,

643
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.119
and so that's that's like a really interesting approach. But

644
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.000
also you just read it as a story. So instead

645
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.639
of like so, for example, there's a tower card in

646
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.639
Le Norman, it means something completely different. The tower card

647
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.880
represents organization organized groups also like isolation and loneliness. But

648
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.800
depending on the context, it can be you know, quote

649
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.599
unquote positive or negative. So if you have, you know,

650
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.280
the tower card in line with like the moon card

651
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.280
again means something different. To me, I'm like, oh, that

652
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.679
reads like you're going to have a lot of responsibilities

653
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.239
that we're coming up and you're going to be like

654
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.920
working really hard or something like that. Right, Whereas like

655
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.280
if you pair the tower card with let's say the clover,

656
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.760
which clover is like again representative of like the four

657
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:38.079
leaf clover is something lucky, something short, something you know quick,

658
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.280
it's like, oh, okay, So then you'll have like a

659
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.199
short time where you might experience a period of loneliness

660
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.199
something like that. So it's really just about weaving the

661
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.639
story together based on the question that somebody asked. Now,

662
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.480
I will say le Norman, with asking questions, you do

663
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.840
have to be more specific. So you can't be like,

664
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.519
how's my day going to be? You can, but I

665
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.599
think the answers are better when you and the same

666
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.760
thing for taro. Right, It's like when you search in Google,

667
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.480
if you search food near me, you're going to get

668
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.840
a bunch of restaurants. But if you look for like

669
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.599
I want a Deli sandwich with whatever near me, you'll

670
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.719
get those specific answers. So that's a little bit about

671
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.480
the history in the background. I love it. It's my

672
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.679
bread and butter. If I if somebody has somebody's really

673
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.599
going through it, and like wants to know things, I'll

674
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.679
go to my Li Norman. I use both interchangeably. I

675
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.840
think they compliment each other really well. Yeah, but maybe

676
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.320
because like I grew up on the Norman. I love

677
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.719
it so much. So yes, that's a little bit about it.

678
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.760
Well, thank you for that explanation for clearing that up.

679
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.159
So now that we have kind of like a solid

680
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.360
understanding of I think YOURND your background and your work

681
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.119
and how you've gotten to this, could you tell us

682
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.519
I think your content on TikTok and just across all

683
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.360
social media online. I think it's really really interesting. I

684
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.360
think it's super cool because you do a lot about

685
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.000
the crossover of like the neuroscience and specifically Tarot cards,

686
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.679
but also with like other metaphysical things that I do

687
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.199
want to get into. So we're gonna kind of like

688
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.559
run through a couple things, or maybe stroll through them.

689
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:19.239
We don't have to run, right, but I would like

690
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.280
to know about the crossover of a few things. So first,

691
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.639
can we talk about the crossover of neuroscience and the cards?

692
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:31.400
Yes, okay, So do you want me to speak to

693
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.239
like what is happening in the brain or like why

694
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.960
they match or both?

695
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.239
I think I think if we could do both. I'm

696
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.320
very interested in, like what is happening in the brain.

697
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.360
Let's start with Yeah, let's go there first. Okay, So

698
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.880
first and foremost, when you pick up anything, right, like

699
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.519
a deck of cards, you've got your tactile senses are activated.

700
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.639
You're looking at a card for symbols for imagery. That

701
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.280
starts with your eyes in your visual cortex, which is

702
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.159
like in the back of your head. So that's a

703
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.519
bit a lope. As you're spending time on the card

704
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.280
or reading the card, even if it's just one card

705
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.280
or a spread of cards, there's a lot going on

706
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.599
with a bunch of different brain regions working in tandem.

707
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:18.119
So number one, I would say obviously visual cortex. But

708
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.840
also if you're trying to make sense of the symbols

709
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.360
and the context and significance of it, you're also activating

710
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.480
you know, your hippocampus, so you hippocampus is associated with

711
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.239
learning and memory and sort of a fun fact about hippocampus,

712
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.199
it's named that like the Latin, the origin of the

713
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.719
word is like seahorse or something, so it looks like

714
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.440
a little the anatomy is like a little seahorse in

715
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.920
your brain anyway. You So the hippi campus is learning

716
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.960
and memory. So when you read a card, you might

717
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:52.320
have certain associations with it from your lived experiences, from

718
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.159
your learned experiences as well. Your prefuntal cortex is also

719
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.599
doing a lot of work trying to make sense of

720
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.800
you know, different relations or different narratives that you might have.

721
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.719
That so you know, you've got your prefrontal cortex, you've

722
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.679
got your hippie campus. You've also got you know, your

723
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.519
oh my gosh, I'm thinking the d m N default

724
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.840
Uh okay, the default mode network, which is a bunch

725
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:26.440
of different brain regions working together that helped to make

726
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.880
sense of self, makes sense of narratives, makes sense of

727
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:35.679
emotional processing as well. Your insula is at play as well.

728
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.840
Where your insula is also about like perceptions. So even

729
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.840
if say, for example, you're doing like a pick a

730
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.880
card from piles right, and you're like, I want to

731
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.519
do pile one versus pile two, that sort of like

732
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:53.599
introspection and like bodily signals also can be facilitated by

733
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:58.119
by the insula as well. If you have like decks

734
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.440
of cards that are like super shiny or have like

735
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:06.039
more tactile things associated with them. So like, for example,

736
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.159
like those like metallic cards that have like the little

737
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.880
yeah that that pulls in your somatosensory cortex. Are you

738
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.159
familiar with the homunculus?

739
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:17.679
No?

740
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.320
Okay, So it might be like a cool image to

741
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.639
pop up on your Instagram. It's a visual representation of

742
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.639
our somatosensory cortex. So it's the idea that our brain

743
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.360
has basically different regions that it gives more quote unquote

744
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.360
attention to. So for example, that's why like your hands

745
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.920
are so sensitive, or like your tongue to taste is

746
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.000
so sensitive versus like you're back. You know, it's not

747
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:47.079
it doesn't have it doesn't take up as much space

748
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:51.159
or like region in your somatosensory cortex. There's a lot

749
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.079
really goes into it in terms of like the size

750
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.760
of the neurons and like the density of the neurons

751
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.039
in those regions and the types of neurons. But that's

752
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.280
kind of like the general.

753
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.559
Just wow, that is so cool. I know we're going

754
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.519
to get into it too with the leap does and stuff.

755
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.280
I'm curious because so with my cards before, like after

756
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.920
I bought uh, because I had several decks already like

757
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:16.920
that were gifted to me, and they're like the more

758
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.199
like decorative ones. But I got to a point where

759
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.760
I tried learning with those and I was like, well,

760
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.320
I was like, I want to know, like obviously with

761
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:25.239
the show, right you can tell I'm very much about

762
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.840
like history cultural context. I was like, I want to

763
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.480
know more about like the cards themselves and like their history,

764
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.519
because I know that's important to like their quote definitions.

765
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.159
And so I got a writer a writer deck recently

766
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.079
and I've been doing that one and so when I

767
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.360
brought them home, I was like, all right, well, let me,

768
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.719
you know, kind of cleanse these because these are in

769
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.920
a shop. You know, you don't know who's handling certain things,

770
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.079
and so like you mentioned that spiritual hygiene, right, So

771
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.400
I uh, with my little cauldron, I had some quote

772
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.719
baile resin and I was, you know, cleansing them with

773
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:01.480
that and some Palo Santal chips and so yes, now

774
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.280
like even still now a couple of weeks later, that

775
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.199
I've been using them daily for this like tarot journal

776
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.840
that I'm keeping to help me learn. Every time I

777
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.159
shuffle them that sense is engaged, that scent is still

778
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.840
on them. So every time I shuffle them. It's the

779
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.000
first thing I'm doing right with them to do my

780
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.840
daily pool. That's and you're talking about this, you know,

781
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.679
these senses that are engaged with it. That first thing

782
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.400
that came for me was smell. That's the first thing. Well,

783
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.039
obviously the first thing is see because I have to

784
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.239
look at them or feel actually I don't.

785
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.280
Know, right, me both at once, right.

786
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.440
Yeah, yeah, all these senses are engaged. Yeah, and it

787
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.800
really like puts me in that space. And I feel

788
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.039
like that's like another along with tactical and with sight.

789
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.320
The smell is just like another thing that puts me

790
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:50.199
in that No pun intended that headspace right to literally reading.

791
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.719
Literally what I mean, And I think that's like I

792
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.639
don't know if you just saw my last TikTok, but

793
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.639
like that's what I advise to do or like what

794
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.360
I recommended people doing for me meditation. And it's perfect

795
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.480
in tarot too, Like it puts you in that headspace

796
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.239
ready to go, in a calm state, like you do

797
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.719
it in the same space every day. It works a

798
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.239
little bit better if you associate a smell with it.

799
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.559
Because our olfactory bulb, which is the part in our

800
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.760
brain that is responsible for you know, us smelling smells. Yeah,

801
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.679
is connected directly connected to our hippocampus and our amygdala.

802
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:26.800
It has those pathways that go there. So that's why

803
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:31.840
it's like very strong learning and like memory is so

804
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.639
strong with smells, like it takes you back.

805
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:37.880
So I always I always heard that in like high school,

806
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.960
where they were like, if you have an important test

807
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.519
coming up, you know, like spray like a perfume or

808
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.960
a colonne or something on you that you're going to

809
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.400
wear during the test while you're studying. So that way,

810
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.559
like it connects. So I wonder, I get you is there.

811
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.239
Do you think there's some truth to that?

812
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:52.880
Oh?

813
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.760
Yes, absolutely right, you're like I just told you.

814
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:03.639
But also even like noises too, like there's a very foundational,

815
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:09.000
like textbook neuroscience study that everybody learns with like Pavlovs

816
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.159
dog and associating like a bell with a steak, and

817
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.519
like the dog would salivate and then they didn't even

818
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:18.639
you can't remember if they took the stake away or not,

819
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.599
but basically they would ring the bell and the dog

820
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.039
knew like, oh it's it's stake time. I'm salivating. Things

821
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.199
like that, like you can have cues basically cues that

822
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:35.320
associate certain you know, events or situations. Smell is one

823
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.920
of the strongest, I'd say, So, yeah, it definitely works,

824
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.000
especially if you're somebody who gets anxious for tests, like

825
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.960
if you do some sort of a room a therapy

826
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.920
that's calming or something that like really brings you comfort

827
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.280
as you study it kind of like reminds you and

828
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.480
puts you in the headspace like, oh, like I know this,

829
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:54.719
I've put the time in and I'm ready to go.

830
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.480
Wow, We're gonna jump to one more quick break and

831
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:14.840
then we'll be right back. All right, We're back. That

832
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.880
is so interesting. Just one more thing on that thing

833
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.400
about like my sort of process with the cards, is

834
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.519
you had mentioned also sounds and like pavlogs, dog and

835
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.199
stake time. Yeah, I realized that, like when I sit

836
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.039
down to do my cards. One thing that I've also

837
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.119
been doing and I just like realized it right now

838
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.960
is I'll I put on like this like kind of

839
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.920
like low fi house music. And so I'm realizing now

840
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.760
that I'm really like setting myself up in a way

841
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.280
that I didn't like intentionally think of. I just started

842
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.159
doing it and I was like, oh, I find this

843
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.880
helpful to me, but without realizing you know, all the

844
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:50.880
neuroscience behind it.

845
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.760
Yeah, I mean I think and that's the thing though,

846
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.360
Like I think this, there's all these things that we

847
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.639
intuitively do, that we naturally do. And people might be

848
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.159
like afraid of predictions, they say that, but our brain

849
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.599
is constantly predicting all the time, like it's constantly calculating, Oh,

850
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.760
if I take this step, how high do I go

851
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.519
so I don't trip and fall? Like it's just it's

852
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.519
so instinctual to us and so natural to us that

853
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.320
we don't think about this and so like in our heads,

854
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.320
like with Western science and how we think, like we've

855
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.440
separated it as two different things, but it's all one

856
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.599
and so anyway.

857
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:33.159
That's not that's so so cool. So the next one

858
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.760
that I have on this shortlist is and this is

859
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.039
also again I'm telling y'all, we're going to put the

860
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.800
links in everything in the descriptions that you can go follow,

861
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.599
Doctor Floyd is. But something else that has come up

862
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.000
on your page that I was really interested in is

863
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.199
the neuroscience of limpyas and egg cleansing.

864
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:56.480
Yes, yes, okay, so I obviously or maybe not obviously,

865
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.519
I because I'm talking about this, I grew up doing it.

866
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.840
I also like, even like during my breaks in graduate school,

867
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.239
like I would go with my mom as the botanicas

868
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.039
and be like Anita cleansing. So you know, when you

869
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.880
go to the people who do the cleansings of the botanicas,

870
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.119
you know, they'll bring out the herbs, you'll walk over

871
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:20.559
the fire, you'll do different things to release the negative energy.

872
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.800
But they're essentially regulating your nervous system. Like that's the

873
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:26.920
whole point. And I want to be very clear on

874
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.480
what my page is and what my page isn't. I

875
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.599
am not here to debunk anything. I grew up in

876
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.679
this culture. I love this culture. I ride for this culture.

877
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.880
But also I know that we know a lot of

878
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.920
things and sometimes we don't know why we know, right,

879
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.519
there's always the scientific aspect to it. I'm simply here

880
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.880
to help bridge this scientific understanding to things that we

881
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.199
have been doing for generations, for centuries. And so with

882
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.840
that being said, I'm not I guess I really just

883
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:06.239
want people to listen to this and hear this and

884
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.760
almost give themselves a rational permission slip to be like,

885
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.480
you know what, I shouldn't feel any shame or anything

886
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.519
about doing my cultural practices, whatever that is for people,

887
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.280
or for doing these rituals or cleansings that help me

888
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.519
because they help me self regulate. It is what it is,

889
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.239
and that's your nervous system. How your nervous system responds.

890
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.599
It's we never know how it's actually going to respond

891
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.000
to certain things or what things are going to traumatize

892
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.599
us or trigger us or even regulate us. And so

893
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.760
doing these different things ultimately helps to regulate the nervous

894
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.559
system as lon as it's safe, you're not harming yourself

895
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.599
or not harming anybody else, do it. Do the egg cleansing.

896
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.079
So in terms of like the neuroscience and how it's regulating,

897
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.280
like especially with the egg cleansing, I talked a lot

898
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.440
about like rituals and the neuroscience or rituals, but as well,

899
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:56.840
like when I say call in your protection, call in

900
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.639
your protection. What that does when you call a guide

901
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.519
to help you or spirit guide or ancestor, it reduces

902
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.320
cognitive load in your prefrontal cortex. Your prefrontal cortex is

903
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.199
the one that's always responsible for making decisions for processing

904
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:18.960
different situations, and when you get overwhelmed. You just sometimes

905
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.119
you don't make decisions straight, Like you don't make decisions

906
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.320
right or whatever. Right, you get anxious, But doing that

907
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.639
can help reduce cognitive load. So that way you can

908
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.880
you know, deep a little bit more calm or breathe

909
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.920
a little bit more calmly, you know, breathe more deeply,

910
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.800
but also just self regulate. And I will say, like

911
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.639
as you're doing some of these cleansings, oftentimes whether you're

912
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.760
doing it by yourself or with a healer, like, there

913
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.320
is a lot of breath work that goes into it.

914
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.599
So it activates your parasympathetic nervous system, so that rest

915
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.000
and digest. So when we're stressed, there's probably likely a

916
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.480
lot of input going into your amygdala, which is the

917
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:04.400
fear and threat detection, and so doing these rituals can

918
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.840
help decrease the activity of that. And so when you're

919
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.360
able to kind of like relax and calm down and

920
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.840
activate your parasympathetic system, which is like the rest and digest,

921
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.639
you're able to breathe easier. You have a decrease in cortosol,

922
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:24.159
your blood pressure will like decrease, stress will decrease, So

923
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.000
I mean that's all part of it. It's all connected.

924
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:26.840
It's all really good.

925
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.320
Yeah. And when you say cognitive load, that is kind

926
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.679
of like is that literally just like the like the

927
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.840
load of like the responsibilities and the decision making that

928
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:37.920
you are taking on.

929
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:43.320
Yeah. Yeah, I remember learning this analogy that they taught

930
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.920
us in like one of our intro neuroscience classes. Like

931
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.199
the way to kind of think about that is and

932
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.320
like stuff with our prefrontal cortex in our brain is

933
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.480
like a computer where we have RAM and like working.

934
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.800
So like when you have too many programs open on

935
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.639
your computer, it slows down and you can't be pressing

936
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.320
buttons all the time. That's like sort of the how

937
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.679
the RAM is affected, similar to like cognitive load to

938
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.159
your brain. When you have too many things you're thinking about,

939
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.480
you like kind of slow down and you like can't

940
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.480
make decisions, right, same thing.

941
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.519
That's so interesting, Yeah, because even and I appreciate what

942
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.320
you were saying earlier about like you know, you're not

943
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.559
here to debunk anything. You rather bridge that gap, which

944
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.599
is a lot of what I believe too. Is you know,

945
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.840
I'm very into like the spiritual healing as well, but

946
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.039
I think it's also important to approach it from like

947
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.559
all angles holistically, right, So I think, yes, you should

948
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.480
be doing the spiritual healing and that sort of work,

949
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:44.119
but I think you also should be seeking help from

950
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.159
like a medical professional or a psychiatrist or what have you. Right,

951
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.559
approach it from all angles. And so it's interesting this

952
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.679
idea of like when you're calling in the ancestors that

953
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.079
relieves the cognitive load, because it's like you're literally calling

954
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.360
for backup. But not only is it like spiritual backup,

955
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.239
it's also like reducing that stress on your brain. I

956
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.039
think that is so cool because it's like even for

957
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.400
people who are skeptics and who think, well, like what

958
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.760
are you actually doing when you call in your ancestors,

959
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.079
Like what does that mean? It's like, well, even if

960
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.400
you don't believe in it, physically in your brain, there

961
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.199
is a process happening that is helping you are getting

962
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.000
some sort of backup, whether or not you believe the

963
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.280
guides or the ancestors are actually there, which I do believe.

964
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.119
But it's really cool to know now that like it's

965
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.400
you know, it's happening on multiple fronts.

966
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:38.719
Yeah, right, Like these things have real physiological consequences on

967
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.599
our body the same way that like when we release trauma.

968
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.159
Like for example, you know, have you read the book

969
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:46.119
The Body Keeps the Score?

970
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.639
I have not, but I've heard a lot about it. Yeah, yeah,

971
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.079
it's I don't know if I'm ready for it.

972
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.079
Okay, I was gonna say. I read it in graduate

973
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.800
school as an intellectual and then I finished the book

974
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:03.079
and I was like, I just read about like generations

975
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.559
of families, Like I like wasn't prepared. I was not

976
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:11.519
prepared for that information. But it was so informative and

977
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:16.000
it was so good. But it really kind of taught

978
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:20.239
me that our brain, like one of it's has a

979
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.519
lot of jobs, but a big job that it does

980
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.000
is it just wants to keep us safe. And one

981
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.960
of the ways it does that is it does help

982
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.880
the body keep the score. So like when you have

983
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:33.840
these intense situations, which intense traumas that happen, your muscles

984
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.920
can literally hold in that tension. And so I know,

985
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.079
like in a lot of stuff that we've talked about

986
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:42.719
or even in our culture, like they talk about like

987
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:46.719
the how emotions can make it sick, like like right,

988
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.519
like it we can literally hold that in our body

989
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.760
and like intense aches and pains, and you know that

990
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.000
leads to other things and that stresses out other parts

991
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.559
in our body, right because it's all working together in tandem.

992
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:02.440
So it's like, yeah, like a good you know massage

993
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.960
or like will probably help. Yeah. Yeah.

994
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.840
I So this is something that I think people have

995
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.920
seen probably in like especially with and that just that

996
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:18.880
just happened right now. You've seen it happen a couple

997
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:20.719
of times this interview, and it's flaring up more because

998
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.440
I'm getting a bit nervous. I have this like tick

999
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.239
that I edit out of my episodes, and I'm gonna

1000
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.199
leave it in in this part for people to hear it.

1001
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.440
But I think that that is a result of some

1002
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.719
form of like trauma that I've experienced, because I didn't

1003
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.559
always have this. And I feel very comfortable bringing this

1004
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.159
up to you because not only your work as a professional,

1005
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.000
but I think just you as a person. You know,

1006
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.280
you're you, and I'm sure you get this all the

1007
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.360
time too, but it's just like I feel like coming

1008
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.119
up and it feels relevant to the conversation. And I

1009
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.599
just I said this over the Christmas break with my

1010
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:56.400
family too. I was like that, oh my god, this

1011
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.760
is crazy. I'm putting all these pieces together, I feel

1012
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.639
like the conspiracy theorist eyeing the reds together. It does

1013
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.440
because I literally and and I will get my boyfriend

1014
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.719
in here if I need to. But I know that

1015
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.719
you're you believe me. I said to my family over

1016
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.920
the Christmas break a few weeks ago. I was like,

1017
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:14.920
I think I want to go see like a neurologist

1018
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.880
or something about this, because I've spoken to other healers

1019
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.199
about it. But like I said, approach it from all

1020
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.320
angles or it's just this like I don't know, like

1021
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.360
you're you're talking about this too. The body keeps a

1022
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.719
score and I'm like, I think that is one of them.

1023
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.960
And I think it's so very interesting that as a

1024
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.400
person who uses their voice a lot, it's interesting that

1025
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.880
that has manifest fested for me in that way. With

1026
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.800
my my voice, it's like somewhere in the throat chakra.

1027
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.960
It's like in like physically, it's in the jaw and

1028
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.800
it affects my speech. As someone who is a podcaster,

1029
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:56.239
who is very expressive, who like likes to perform, so

1030
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.400
it's very interesting that this conversation is coming up, uh

1031
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:00.199
for me.

1032
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:03.480
So yeah, do you ever do like body scans like

1033
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.920
meditation body scans, and I have it. I mean, we

1034
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:09.920
can talk about that after or we can talk about

1035
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.599
it now. But I think that could be something helpful

1036
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.920
and informative, like when you do go talk to your

1037
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:19.320
doctor or when you do like you know, google things.

1038
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:21.880
Your body does talk to you in different ways, whether

1039
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.199
it's like physically or even like when you're in a

1040
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.280
meditation and it's giving you images. Again, like images can

1041
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.119
help you associate different things from your past understanding and

1042
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.239
your into you know, things with your intuition and things

1043
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:33.559
like that.

1044
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.719
So anyway, very interesting.

1045
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.280
Yeah, that's that's fascinating.

1046
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.880
And that's also like a that's the first time I've

1047
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:47.679
ever addressed that on on here or I think publicly. Yeah,

1048
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.519
to like the Internet. So and it is something that

1049
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.599
I like, I will edit out a lot because I'm like,

1050
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:54.519
I don't like the way it sounds or like it

1051
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.199
makes me it makes me feel weird, and I think

1052
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.159
maybe that is part of that conversation that needs to

1053
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:03.360
be had, right, But again, it just felt really relevant

1054
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.239
to bring up here, and I think it is also

1055
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.239
relevant to the next sort of thing. Look at me

1056
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.760
being a professional and segueing it making it work, making

1057
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.800
my trauma work for me. Is I wanted to talk

1058
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.599
more about in general? I know we talked We just

1059
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:21.800
talked about like leap yas and egg cleansing and these

1060
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.800
fall into that category, but like maybe the more general

1061
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.840
idea of energy healing because there are lots of different

1062
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:33.480
practices that people use, right, So is there anything else

1063
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.320
under that sort of like energy healing umbrella that you

1064
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.199
could go into In terms of neuroscience.

1065
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.679
Honestly, a lot of the stuff overlaps, like with these

1066
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.639
different processes, which is like good and also bad, but

1067
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.400
good for the most part because our brain is constantly

1068
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.280
trying to process and assess whatever is going on in

1069
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.639
our external environment. In terms of energy healing, so like

1070
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.800
if you do mean something like reiki or even like

1071
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.400
you know, like laying hands, like you know, even in

1072
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:09.599
the church when people like lay hands on people, there

1073
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.599
are different like tingling bodily sensations that can happen, like

1074
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:17.960
tingling warmth. All of that. It's our cortex are singulate

1075
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:22.360
cortex that's involved in processing some of these signals that

1076
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:25.119
let me double check in because it's like so many

1077
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.119
brain regions work together. Yeah, let me I want to

1078
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.559
say the right thing, and it's like pretty sure the

1079
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.320
singulate cortex when we have like a lot of cortexes,

1080
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:36.880
like you have a singular cortex in Terio.

1081
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.559
Anyway, it's like a whole like city in there.

1082
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:46.079
It literally you know. I knew this really intense neurosurgeon

1083
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.119
at Rochester and he was just like he was just

1084
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.880
like crazy in the best way. But he I remember

1085
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.079
he gave this talk and he was talking about like

1086
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:03.320
how the brain rules everything in your body. And at

1087
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:07.400
the end of the day, people are like at the

1088
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.960
mercy of their brain because he's like, well, if you're

1089
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.280
brain dead, like that's it. But if you have other

1090
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:14.280
parts in your body that are dead, you know, there's

1091
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.519
still helpful you if you have brain activity. And like

1092
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.719
close the talk and he's like, and the brain that's

1093
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:20.679
where God lives.

1094
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:27.800
WHOA, I got chills. Have you ever seen this show?

1095
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.960
Is completely well not completely off topic, but I feel

1096
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.400
like you may enjoy it. Have you ever heard of

1097
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:32.880
the show called Dimension twenty?

1098
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:34.400
No? What is that?

1099
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:39.719
So? It is on this channel, this like Roku channel

1100
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.519
called Dropout TV, which was formerly college humor back in

1101
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.239
the day. Yeah, they're called dropout TV now, but they

1102
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.320
have this show called Dimension twenty and they they're playing

1103
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:56.119
D and D basically, but it's with like comedians performers,

1104
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.119
like professional D and D players. Like it's really interesting.

1105
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.280
But they did a see in maybe like a year ago,

1106
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:05.360
and I forgot what they called it. It's still on

1107
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.880
there though, but it was all about like the setting.

1108
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.079
It took place in a person's brain, and so it

1109
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.559
was really interesting. I feel like you may be into it.

1110
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.880
I'll send you a link for it later, but yeah,

1111
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.679
for sure. Yeah, I just thought of it and I

1112
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:20.840
was like, oh, I was like, I wonder what she

1113
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:22.719
would think of this, because yeah, it was it was

1114
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.519
all about the neurology of this person, and the campaign

1115
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.320
was to keep this person alive through like real life

1116
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:32.159
events that were happening. But there were like the characters

1117
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:34.239
in this campaign they were in It was like inside

1118
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.159
out basically, but they were like trying to keep him

1119
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.559
alive in this sort of real life scenario. Yeah.

1120
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:42.679
Also back to the answer, Yes, it is both the

1121
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:48.679
insular and the singular singulate cortex and cortex as well.

1122
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.000
Like like I said, you have like your anterior, your posterior,

1123
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.639
so it's like the cortex that's part in the front

1124
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:55.760
of your bring in the back of the brain in

1125
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.960
the middle of the brain. Those are also involved in

1126
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:04.079
like emotional processing and feeling things. Insular cortex is involved

1127
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.159
in sort of those like physiological shifts that can happen.

1128
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.639
So like you know, if you're laying down and you're

1129
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.239
doing your deep breathing, it's one of those things that

1130
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.760
like you can feel like like the tingles, or it

1131
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:19.760
basically helps you to kind of go in and quiet

1132
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.679
in your body, or it supports you know, the signals

1133
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.239
where you go in and quiet in your body and

1134
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.159
can feel those small little shifts, and so again that's

1135
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:31.559
all connected as well with like the amygdala in the

1136
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:36.119
hippocampus and like reducing you know, fear or the input

1137
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:40.039
of you know, the signal of fear intohere make their

1138
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:42.519
lass so it kind of decreases activity so that it relaxes.

1139
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.480
And then when you're sending those different signals to your

1140
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.000
brain again you're bringing in the parasympathetic nervous system with

1141
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.920
energy healing because you're doing the breath work, also stimulating

1142
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:58.280
the vagus nerve, also likely stimulating the HPA access the

1143
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:03.599
hypothalic to tarry a drenal axis, which is basically the

1144
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:08.119
acxis between like your brain and your gut and your body. Right,

1145
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:09.880
so like when people say, people I have a gut feeling,

1146
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.880
or like people say after energy sessions they get super tired,

1147
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:15.880
or like if they felt like they get did a

1148
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.599
cleansing and they needed to throw up, like, it's because

1149
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.559
the nervous system is essentially down regulating in a very

1150
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.039
quick manner. Especially in those cases where people say they

1151
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.320
have like really adverse reactions where they cry or shake

1152
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.519
or vomit, it's because it's like there their body is

1153
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:39.239
very quickly shifting into that relaxation state or sorry, the

1154
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:43.400
brain is helping their body shift into the relaxation state,

1155
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.719
and so has tog up. And so sometimes you have

1156
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.599
that like vegus nerve reaction with the brain stem as

1157
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:54.599
well that controls your gag reflexics. So that could happen.

1158
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.920
So that in terms of like everything associated with energy

1159
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:01.800
healing and what's happening, a lot of stuff, A lot

1160
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.760
of stuff's happening. But wow, yeah, and so again with

1161
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.320
like the biggest nerve and the deep breathing and bringing

1162
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.599
oxygen to your body into your brain and you know

1163
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.679
decreasing your blood pressure and all that good stuff.

1164
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:19.079
So yeah, yeah, wow, Well, we are approaching the end

1165
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.239
of our time here, and before we go, I do

1166
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.320
want to ask I ask all my guests if you've

1167
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:29.400
had your own paranormal encounter that you would like to

1168
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:30.360
share with us.

1169
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.320
Yes, Oh my gosh, I still tell it to this day.

1170
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:37.239
I'll tell it to anybody who will listen all years. Okay,

1171
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.440
So I grew up in Des Moines, Iowa. And the

1172
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.840
house I grew up in was this old house from

1173
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.880
the nineteen twenties. Nineteen, yeah, the nineteen twenties, I want

1174
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.119
to say, the nineteen thirties, and the area that we

1175
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.039
lived in Des Moines, before there were even houses in

1176
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.639
that area, there was a man made lake and it's

1177
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.400
just I don't know, I feel like that matters for

1178
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.639
the area. But anyway, so there's a bunch of old houses.

1179
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:08.960
And my mom has this genetic factor for blood cloths,

1180
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.159
and so when I was little, she would get sick

1181
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a lot and go to the hospital because at the

1182
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.440
time they were still kind of like figuring it out

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01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:20.039
or like managing it. And I was about eight, and

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01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:22.639
you know, I talked about my grandma because my grandma

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01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.840
lived with us. She helped raise me, especially with like

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01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.239
my mom and dad working all the time, or like

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01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.960
if my mom was sick, she was always there. And

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01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.480
so I remember there was this one month where she

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01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.159
was like basically in the hospital and then finally she

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01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:41.480
had come home and she could like be on bed rest,

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01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.639
and so I was like getting ready for school, and

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01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.960
in her room they had this huge mirror that spanned

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01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.440
the wall and it faced the bed, which like, now

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01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.480
I now, knowing what she knows, I don't think she

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01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:01.039
would do that ever again yeah, w no now, but

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01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.360
and for those that don't know, beers like facing you

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01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.840
during sleep just just terrible nightmares. Not good stuff anyway,

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01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:12.360
So she had this whole mirror facing her bed and

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she had the light on, and so I was like, oh,

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01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.559
I should go see her, you know, before I go

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01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.760
to school. I just like want to check on her.

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01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:20.400
I want to like give my mom a hugging a kiss,

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01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:21.679
like you know, I's a kid. I was like eight,

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01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.519
And so I saw her in bed and I saw

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01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:29.159
like her whole half, her head, everything. I saw her

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01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.320
move and I was like, oh, Mom, like do you

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01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.199
want me to shut off the light and in Spanish.

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01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.199
She was like she was I sounded like she was tired,

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01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:38.800
like she was still kind of half asleep, and she's

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01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.719
like no, was like I'm good. And I was like

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01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.599
you sure, do you need anything? And she's like no,

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01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.440
And she had her covers and she moved in bed,

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01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:50.360
and I was like, oh, I want to give her

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01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:52.599
a kiss goodbye, and I was like no, I don't

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01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:55.960
want to bother her. And then I leave her room

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01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.119
and immediately I hear my grandma and her talking in

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01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.760
the living room.

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01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:09.400
Stop. I just got full body tills. Oh my god, okay, and.

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01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.960
Like there's there's no way, like to get from her

1220
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.280
room to the living room was a hallway, like she

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01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.480
was not gonna pass me. I ran from her room

1222
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:21.119
to the living room because I'm like, I'm not trying

1223
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:22.639
to see what that is in the room. I'm not

1224
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.559
trying to see what that is. And I was like,

1225
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.440
have you been here the whole time? What are you doing?

1226
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.320
She's like, yeah, I've been up talking with your grandma,

1227
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.079
like since seven this morning. And it was like seven

1228
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.239
forty five, like I was getting ready to go to school,

1229
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:39.199
and I was like this just happened. Oh. She's like

1230
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.119
what And she went to go look in the room.

1231
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.599
Of course nothing was there. And you know, because it

1232
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.039
responded to me and like mimicked her, mimicked her voice,

1233
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.559
mimicked her image, and I saw it in the mirror,

1234
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.000
like we think it was something demonic because when it

1235
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:58.239
mimics like that, like that's pretty bad.

1236
01:06:58.760 --> 01:06:59.039
Yeah.

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01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.440
And one thing I do know about the house that

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01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.360
I lived in that I grew up in, my mom

1239
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.559
said and she didn't tell us this until like later,

1240
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.320
which is just like but she's like, yeah, like before

1241
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:13.159
we bought the house, they told us they had to

1242
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:15.880
do a lot of cleanup and then they found like

1243
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.920
satanic stuff around the house, and I'm like that explains.

1244
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.519
It everything, Oh my god, Like you know.

1245
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:28.079
Like the little pent upside down pentagrams like candles, like

1246
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.599
not that candles are bad, but you know, you.

1247
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:35.119
Know what they're being used for, and then to see that.

1248
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.440
So did your mom and your grandma like do anything

1249
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:40.119
after you told them what you saw?

1250
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:44.840
Like I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember, okay, because

1251
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.039
I think I've locked down.

1252
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:47.199
I mean.

1253
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.280
I'm sure they did, because like that's how they are.

1254
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:57.079
And I remember like hugging my mom I never thought

1255
01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.119
about the fact that I don't remember after that.

1256
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.800
I don't know, maybe worth following up on. But also,

1257
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.039
like you, you probably that was probably your intuition being

1258
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:10.239
like no, I'm not going to go over there, whether

1259
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.199
or not you were thinking like I don't want to

1260
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:16.720
bother her, but maybe like internally your intuition or maybe

1261
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.920
someone's watching over you was like, do not approach, stay

1262
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:23.520
away from that. Oh I keep getting chills like running

1263
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.439
up my body. I hated that.

1264
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.880
I just like I could not imagine, like what if

1265
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.199
I had gone over to her, what would I have seen?

1266
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.479
I don't even want to think about it. But like

1267
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:38.880
she it was a full person. It was a full person.

1268
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.199
That is disgusting, and you know, it's crazy. I just

1269
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:47.880
like had a recovered memory of the bed that my

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01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:52.039
mom used to have growing up, and I think I

1271
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.640
and then I used to sleep in this bed. Like

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01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.039
the headboard it was like a built in like kind

1273
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.920
of dresser, like a small sort of dresser. Yeah, but

1274
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.880
like the headboard itself, there was a mirror in it.

1275
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.279
And now I'm like, I feel like that explains a

1276
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.960
lot of things. Yeah, we should not have had that

1277
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.199
in the house much less been like sleeping in it.

1278
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.520
It was like it made its way through generations of course,

1279
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:20.800
like oh, like I know and I know the mirror

1280
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:22.640
thing now, but I never thought about that bed from

1281
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:24.800
growing up. And then the fact that your mom in

1282
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:29.119
her room it was it showed the entire bed, not

1283
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:31.279
even just like a small mirror. It was like, nope,

1284
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:32.920
this big ass portal.

1285
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:37.560
Oh my god, it was so scary. It was so scary.

1286
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:38.039
I know that.

1287
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.199
Yeah, okay, I hated that so much, thank you, p

1288
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:47.079
but it was so good. Thank you for saying something,

1289
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:51.159
honestly something. Oh my gosh, well, doctor flood is, thank

1290
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:54.000
you so so much for your time today. I really

1291
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.800
really appreciate it. If of course, of course, if folks

1292
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.600
wanted to follow you online or look up your work,

1293
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:02.600
where can they find you? Where are you?

1294
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:10.119
Yes, I'm on all socials, so Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, you

1295
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:13.880
can find me at Lattina so l A t A

1296
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:17.239
r O t I n A. So I'm Latina on

1297
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.680
all socials. If you wanted to book reading connect with me.

1298
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.119
You can go to my website at ww dot dot

1299
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:29.039
dot com. So I have some different offerings there for people.

1300
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.239
And yeah, so I'll get stuff. I'll probably be writing

1301
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.319
some blogs soon and just kind of hanging out exploring

1302
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:40.279
the metaphysical, explaining what I can of the healing arts

1303
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:41.199
and the metaphysical.

1304
01:10:41.359 --> 01:11:00.479
But yes, awesome, thank you so much, Welcome back, cool friends,

1305
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.800
Thank you so much for listening to this episode, and

1306
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.279
a huge thank you to doctor floyd Is. Okay, I

1307
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:08.279
definitely I need you all's comments on this one. I

1308
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:10.880
need to know what you all thought. I'm very excited

1309
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.239
to have made this connection with doctor floyd Is. I

1310
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.199
can tell that we were and she said this too,

1311
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:18.840
that we are on the same wavelength. This was a

1312
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.840
really enlightening conversation for me personally, and I hope that

1313
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.760
you all took as much away from it as I did.

1314
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.359
I'm not going to promise you anything, but if you

1315
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:30.760
all have questions about anything that we spoke about in

1316
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.079
this episode, or maybe that it inspired a thought, please

1317
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:36.840
send it in to me, because I can see us

1318
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:38.399
and I don't want to pigeonhole her, so I'm not

1319
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:40.239
going to make any promises. This is just on like

1320
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:43.199
my fingers crossed wish list that we may work together

1321
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:44.960
in the future. I literally didn't say this to her.

1322
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.960
I'm just bringing this up now so we'll see what happens.

1323
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:50.119
But she was so cool and she was so willing

1324
01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.119
to share her knowledge and her expertise that I think

1325
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.000
it'd be cool to get some questions from y'all, and

1326
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:57.439
if you have them, maybe we can do like a bonus,

1327
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.239
like a mini episode or something where we go through

1328
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.640
those questions. Or actually, honestly, do yourself the favor. Go

1329
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.600
follow her on her pages, book some time with her

1330
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.680
on her website and ask her those questions yourself, because

1331
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.319
you could probably get it quicker that way and I

1332
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:13.960
won't be in the way to distract from it. But

1333
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.439
because yeah, she's so so great, So again, please go

1334
01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:19.359
follow her online again. That's leathooatina dot com or at

1335
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:21.960
letho Atina on the social media. All of that is

1336
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.640
linked in the description below, and doctor Floyd has also

1337
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.600
mentioned that she would try to send over some resources,

1338
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.680
some papers and things like that, so those will be

1339
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.960
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01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:36.600
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