May 14, 2026

The Remedy is The Disease ft. Leticia Urieta

The Remedy is The Disease ft. Leticia Urieta
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In this episode, Ayden sits down with author Leticia Urieta to peel back the exoskeleton of writing a good story.

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Hey, girlfriend, it's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way, I

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am still your host and you are still listening to

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Sousto the Podcast, a paranormal folklore from Latin American cultures.

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Welcome back, Thank you so much for being here, and

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if this is your first time, welcome also, thank you

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for being here. It is it's gonna be May. It's

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halfway through May. I don't know what it is with

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me in these nineties hits right now. I'm in my

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childhood era. It's all coming but it's all coming back.

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Do you mean I'm going to get a season desist

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if I don't stop, and I need to season desist

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any way. We are halfway through and time is flying by.

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This is wild. I'm just gonna go ahead and give

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some really quick updates. Listen, there is still time. Although

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like I said, we are halfway through the month, there

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is still time to join in on this month's book club.

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This month, we are reading A Sunny Place for Shady

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People by Marianna Henriquez. This is a collection of short stories,

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twelve short stories, to be exact, So pick up your copy.

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It's not that you know, it's not that that hefty

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of a read. Get your copy join us. As always,

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the book club is open to any and everybody. Just

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get your copy read along and towards the end of

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the month, I will post more details about the discussion.

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reviews wherever you are listening, or leaving comments on Spotify,

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comments like this one from Jovita Megan Therasas on the

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Yawatipostly episode, and Javita said, how does she sing it?

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I'm trying to remember she says, I don't need nobody

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telling me just what I wanna, what I what, what,

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what I'm gonna do about my destiny like I said

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in my nineties era. Anyway, that is from Britney Spears's

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over protected and it is a guest at what I

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was talking about. I was referencing in the last episode,

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the Yuati Bostly episode, which is a very good guests admittedly,

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but it's not quite it, So I'm going to keep

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this going. I almost thought about just like telling you

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all what it is, but I'm going to keep it going.

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If you all listen to that episode, let me know

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what your guesses are. And unless you are a Patreon

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subscriber with access to the video versions of the episodes,

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because you I dropped something in the video that you

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will have seen, so who knows, let me know what

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your guesses are or we're going to keep this going.

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I don't know. Maybe I'll send someone a sticker. Whoever

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can guess it right. Speaking of video versions of the episodes,

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sustoplus dot com. Anyway, let's go ahead and get into

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this week's episode, where I got to sit and chat

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with the author Litisia Urieta and just a little bit

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about Lithsia. I actually do have a copy of one

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of her previous writings, Las Kriaturas, which is a short

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collection of stories poetry and it's really great and just

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a bit about Lithisia. From her site, she says, I

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am a writer of horror, speculative fiction, comics, poetry, and more.

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That Thesia is also a freelance writer and works as

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a teaching artist, leading community writing workshops across genres. I'm

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very excited for this interview. I'm also very excited to

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let y'all know that we are collaborating on a giveaway

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of a signed copy of her latest book, which is

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coming out tomorrow May fifteenth. I say tomorrow because this

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episode is airing on the fourteenth, So if you would

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like to hear more about the book giveaway, make sure

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that you are sticking around to the end of the

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interview to hear all the detail us about that. With

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that being said, we're going to go ahead and get

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into that chat. Lidisia Urrieta, thank you so much for

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being here today. I'm so excited. I actually have my

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copy right here of last Oh Wow, rereading in preparation

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for today. Just to kind of give some background about

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how this happened. We are going to be talking more

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about your upcoming work. But you reached out and you

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wanted to give a suggestion for the Sustal Book Club,

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and I said, you know what, let's do one better.

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The star is aligned and your new book actually releases

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tomorrow May fifteenth from when this episode is posted tomorrow

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May fifteenth. So I said, you know what, we got it.

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We got to get you on susto. This is the

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timing is just perfect. So thank you so much for

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being here today.

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Oh, thank you so much for having me. Yes, the

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stars aligned. I'm a big believer in that, so we

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just we're making it happen. And I'm so grateful to

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be here. I love this podcast, and I've gotten to

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see you do some really cool talks at like some

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of the spirit gatherings and stuff in Austin. So this

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was yeah, this is perfect.

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Well, thank you so much. So we're going to go

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ahead and get right into it because I do have

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quite a few questions for you. So you write across

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a wide range, you know, there's horror, speculative fiction, poetry,

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and even comics. What is I guess, the sort of

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through line for you, What keeps pulling you back into

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the kind of like dark and the strange territory, so

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to speak.

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That's a really good question. I think I've always been

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drawn to dark folklore, you know, fairy tales, especially like

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being of Mexican and Mexican American descent, and like kind

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of texts in Irish, you know, German. Like there's there's

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a mixture of cultures in my background and storytelling, and

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my my parents were big believers in you know, providing

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me a lot of like opportunities for reading. And so

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I think that kind of helped me to understand like

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what storytelling could be. And you know, when even when

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I was younger, I was kind of a scaredy cat,

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but I really I felt myself drawn to darker fiction,

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to horror movies. My my grandma, my paternal grandmother, who

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was Mexican, and I used to watch Are You Afraid

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of the Dark on Nickelodeon on Saturdays when I would

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stay with her, and I don't know what it was,

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but it was like a weird ritual that we had,

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and so I think that was a was an early

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opportunity for me to understand that like that there are

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really interesting things you can do with darker you know,

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work with horror, with with speculative fiction. But then you know,

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later I was in an MFA program and there's so

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much focus on kind of literary fiction and you know,

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like writing realistic stories, and I think I was like

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I felt really constricted in that and didn't always feel

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like that aligned with my values. And so, you know,

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there's a lot of beautiful literary fiction. You know, all

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the time people are writing some really, really beautiful contemporary stories.

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But I found myself like reading Carmen Muddy and my

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Chaveel and like digging into some of this, and of course,

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like later being exposed to have Tavia Butler and you know,

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digging into some of those types of stories helped me

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to understand, Oh, I want to be writing about disability.

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I want to be in like chronic illness. I want

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to be writing about what it's like to be a

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woman in this world, especially like you know, I started

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writing in Las Creatures in twenty sixteen, so like you know,

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first Trump presidency campaign, and so navigating some of those

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aspects of my identity or my lived experiences and what

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I was witnessing in the world, the effect of you know, displacement, migration, violence,

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all of these things I think really drive me to

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write what I'm writing. And then the new book it

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is very much like what does ableism do to us?

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What does body autonomy look like? And so those are

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some of the things that I think, Forror and speculative

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fiction have given me an avenue to explore in my work.

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Yeah, I feel like, and this conversation happens so much,

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not only on this show, but in many spaces, is

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where horror is being discussed. And I've said this before.

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A previous guest on SUSTO said that horror is a

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great analogy, or it's a great vehicle for analogy, and

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that has always stuck with me since I heard them

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say that. And I think it's true, you know, especially

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for marginalized people, so people living with chronic illnesses, women,

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queer people, people of color. It just that like othering

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and the monstrous, I think we maybe connect to that

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more than people who are not facing oppression in that way.

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And also you mentioned, you know, your upbringing as well.

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Whenever people ask me that question, you know what got

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you into this? Where did this start? For me? It

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was it's just so like how could I not be

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into this stuff, you know, being from the Texas Mexico border.

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I'm also with the Hano hearing these stories growing up.

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But also like even down to like religion. You know,

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I was raised Catholic, and I always say, you know,

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the Catholic Church is very spooky, you know, it's like

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inherently be supernatural. Yeah, and so I want to talk

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more about your upbringing. You mentioned you're at Tihana. You're

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currently based in Austin, but you did say before we

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started recording that you're r ving, which I definitely need

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to hear more about that. But how does your specific

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cultural and your geographic identity shape the kind of stories

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that you tell?

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That's a great question too, because I think like that

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changes a lot. You know, I'm going to be forty

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this year, so like my relationship to my identity has

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definitely changed a lot of as I've become more politically

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aware and like read more and culturally aware. I used

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to you know, I think when I was a baby Latina,

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I was like Latino feminism, you know, so many things

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like that, and I still, of course believe in that,

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but that doesn't always provide the same space for like

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queer and trans you know, folks in our communities, and

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so sometimes I think that that's an area my mentality

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has changed, But there's neither here other but I think

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they Hana to me feels closest to my experience because

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both sides of my family have been in Texas for

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you know, it's periods of time for several generations and

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and so like, and ties to agriculture and farming and

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you know certain regions, like several of my family members

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have lived all over Texas and so like having traveled

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all over Texas, that feels most connected to my experience.

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And then like my my maternal grandfather was he really

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struggled to read when he was younger, and he you know,

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came from a farming family and then he got his

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you know, college education and masters and uh, you know,

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became a Texas FFA officer. So like, education was very

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like important to my family and something that they pushed

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me to be a part of. But he was also

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a really amazing storyteller, and so he really kind of

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shaped like how I understood like oral storytelling and you know,

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not always the most truthful, often very embellished, that every

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story was told a different way. But I know that

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there's a piece of him that lives in my type

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of storytelling, even though you know, I don't know if

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he would have liked to read everything I write. But

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and then my grandmother, who I mentioned before, Inez was

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an unpublished poet and she used to read my poems

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and share poems that she typed up on her typewriter

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that she didn't really share with anybody until much later

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in life, Very very tender poems about my uncle who

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died he was a pilot and died in Vietnam. And so,

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you know, just a lot of different pieces of that.

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And that really shaped my writing too, because she wrote

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in English and Spanish, and so that like helped me

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feel comfortable writing bilingually. And then you know, my parents,

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like I said, encourage literacy so much in the home

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and so like provided me with lots of different types

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of stories, and so a lot of like a lot

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of my early writing and even still today is influenced

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by like family stories, by like the tall tales sometimes

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of our families, some of the weird, creepy things that

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have happened in our family, especially in South Texas. And

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then my father is also a musician, So yeah, I

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feel like there's a lot of like storytelling and lyricism

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and things that have influenced who I am as a

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creator but also as a person.

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Yeah, there's a level to storytelling. I think anybody who

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does almost any type of storytelling look like it just

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it's inevitable for it to feel or be personal. And

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you know, in reading Las Cariaturas and I'm short in

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more of your work and your upcoming work, these stories

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will continue to be personal, right, There's just almost no

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way to avoid it, and you know you are going

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to be writing more. Like you mentioned about like chronic

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pain and like ableism, you know what some might identify

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as like medical trauma. Is it difficult to write from

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that space? And how do you sort of reconcile with

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that pain? Can? I can imagine it's it's cathartic in

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a sense. I know that I was trying to relate

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it to myself as well, like I've done work previously

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with like HIV awareness and advocacy, but mainly around HIV destigmatization.

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I've been living with HIV for eleven years now, and

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you know, facing that work or doing that work and

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facing it it was very very hard at first, and

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it's gotten easier over time. But it's there's a there's

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a part of it that's cathartic. So I can imagine

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that this is made similar in that way. I'm trying

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to relate to the work, and so I'm curious if

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that's how it feels for you, because that's the sets

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that I get.

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Definitely cathartic. And you know, so I wrote the poetry

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book chap book that came out prior it came out

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last year November of last year, called Offerings to a

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Tumble Temple, and that one, I think was like me

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exploring some of that vulnerability from a tenderness place and

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a place of wanting to hold space for other folks

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who have experienced those kinds of things and working through.

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And you know, I also talk about the women in

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my family who experienced trauma and pain and many of

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whom are no longer you know, in this physical realm

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on earth with us. And so that was like one

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aspect of it. And then this next book, you know,

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I think, is exploring some of the darker aspects of that.

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And so there is a catharsis in, you know, not

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necessarily like I mean, I love a revenge, tell sure,

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but some of it is opening up the possibility to

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talk about, you know, medical trauma and like what responsibility

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you know, doctors and folks have to care for you know,

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their patients. How we have a responsibility to care for

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one another as community members, and I think there were

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definitely stories that made me in like poems that I

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wrote in both of these collections that made me cry,

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some that were you know, I questioned whether I should

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you know, even share them or should they just stay

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at the bottom of my drawer in my journal, especially

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because there are there's poems and stories in both of

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the collections that talk about pregnancy loss, which is kind

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of what a stigmatized, you know subject. But the more

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I started sharing with other disabled friends and you know,

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loved ones, they said, well, you know this hurts sometimes

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to read, but also like, you should share this with

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other people because other people are probably hurting like this too.

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of care that I'm hoping to put into this work

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so that when I do share with other people, they

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are receiving it in a way that might be helpful

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to them.

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to want to I mean again back to that word,

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like to destigmatize those things or to normalize having those

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conversations and being kind of like unabashedly open about those things, right,

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because like you mentioned, there's this shame that is put

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on something like that, and in many cases, you know,

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if not all of them, it's like, well, this is

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something that was you know, not a choice, it was

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something that typically happens to a person. And so for

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that kind of feeling to be like washed over them

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is It's what I'm trying to find the word. It's

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like the word embarrassing is coming to mind. It's like,

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it is embarrassing that we do that to each other,

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and like how can we be so cruel to each other?

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And so, yeah, I love when horror takes us down

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that road because it's it's like, no, we should confront

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these scenes because then it's you know, kind of like

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a play on the genre. Is like it is scary

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sometimes to have those conversations, and so you know the

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irony is that hiding it behind a monster or an

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entity somehow makes it more approachable. I don't know, that's

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kind of just silly to me.

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Well, and like if I can, if I can add

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to that, you know, some of what in this collection

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I think I'm exploring is like it's scary to have

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a body, right, It's scary to live in a body

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in the world, whether you are able bodied or not.

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Anything can happen. You know, anyone can be disabled at

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any time, Anyone can get sick at anytime. You know, we're

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living through this, you know, this pandemic and and all

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of these things happening to us. And then like the

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MAHA you know you genesist like movement of uh what

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feels like the government trying to kill us all off,

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you know. So it's like and then you add you know,

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racism and misogyny and all these other aspects to like

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how folks move through the world. And there's a lot

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of ways that the outside world, that our society that

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we live in is enacting violence on our bodies, and

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so like, how can horror then be a vehicle to

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confront and really truthful and sometimes it may be very

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jarring and uncomfortable ways, like how do kind of jar

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ourselves out of this like rope thinking that this is normal?

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This is okay, I guess Okay.

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On that note, we're going to take a very quick break. Okay,

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we're back. I want to continue on that idea of

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kind of like processing real trauma, you know, and I

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always say this almost every episode. My frequent flyers, people

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who listen to all the episodes bring out your Bengal cards.

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My favorite word trauma is coming out, but because it applies,

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you know, in stories like from Las Careerturdash. The story

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that really really stuck out to me was La Mueran,

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and it was very rooted in this kind of tradition

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of like we mentioned, folklore and storytelling and using the

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supernatural to process very real trauma. So I'm curious was

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that connection intentional from the start. Was it something that

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developed or like revealed itself as you wrote it, And

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maybe not just about that story specifically, but when that happens,

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do you kind of go into it with the idea

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of like, I want to write about this experience or

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I don't know, I'm just I'm very curious about that

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sort of process.

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Yeah. I mean that whole book was definitely coming from

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a place of you know, some righteous anger, some you

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know hurt. Definitely from experiences I had both in academia

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and kind of outside of it, and reactions to that.

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And so I think I was reading Women Who Run

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with Wolves at the time, and I was reading a

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lot of different like kind of folklore and speculative stories

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like that about you know, the monstrous woman, right kind

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of this this trope, and I have always felt kinship

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with monsters, and I think many of us do. It's

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why we love cryptids, you know, It's why we it's

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why we tell these stories, right, we come back to them.

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And scorpions have always kind of freaked me out. But

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I've also you know, loved I have something. I have

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a lot of scorpio in my chart. I've also loved,

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you know, like the power and the kind of mysterious,

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you know, nature of scorpions, and so I wanted to

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like use them as an image, and I was thinking

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about reading something about the way that scorpions are preserved

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in Mexical, right, and so like that kind of started

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as an image, and then you know, made its way

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into a story about the way that trauma affects someone

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who is a survivor of sexual assault, right, And so

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that's kind of how that began. But there are several

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pieces in that book that are you know, also about

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like the effects of trauma on the body and and

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like this monstrous transformation that happens and las vietures. You

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know that when I was conceiving of the title, I

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was thinking about how that word in Spanish, you know,

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means creature, but it also can refer to children, it

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can refer to something like kind of other worldly, like

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there's a there's liminality in that title, I guess, or

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in that word, and so yeah, that's where a lot

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of those pieces were settling for me when I wrote them.

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So In the Remedy is the Disease, which is your

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upcoming book releasing tomorrow May fifteenth, it is described as

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a collection there it is of experimental, speculative and horror

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stories about living with chronic pain and illness, medical trauma, grief,

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and the way vulnerable bodies are treated in a capitalist,

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individualistic society. There's something very I think Shusto coded about that.

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As I mentioned, you know, we do talk about trauma

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a lot on this show, and the body as a

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site of terror or like even loss. Could you share

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more about this this new book.

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Absolutely, thank you for to have for that introduction. I

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think this book is both exploring that that terror, right,

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the things that happen to us that are outside of

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our control, both illness, pain, the things that we think

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are going to kill us, but don't we have to survive,

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but also you know, the violence of the medical you know,

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industrial complex, which you know, many of us would not

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be here without it, including myself. But at the same time,

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I've also experienced a little carm in that system, and

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so I think that's the tension I'm working with. And

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then you know, there are other stories in the book

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that are meant to also show like what kinship looks like,

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what love looks like between folks who are experiencing, you know,

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these losses or these traumatic you know, struggles with their

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bodily autonomy, right, And so I think that's one of

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the things I was hoping to explore in the book,

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is the tension or the push and pull between the terror,

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the fear, the violence, and the love and recognition that

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people can often find in those situations.

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Oh, that's making my heart like burst. I'm so excited

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to read this because it's like I'm having these memories

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flooding back. As I mentioned that that work that I

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was doing many years ago that I've since stepped away

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from just for like my own like spiritual like mental

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well being, I needed to kind of like take the

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four k in the road from that work. But when

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I was doing it like this, that tension that you're

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describing it is such a unique feeling that I think

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for anybody out there who is listening, who gets it,

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who understands what that feels like, it is a very

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very specific feeling. And again I'm just like I'm feeling it.

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I'm getting chills right now because I remember doing that

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work when I encountered, you know, other people who had

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just tested positive for HIV and I was I've always

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been very very vocal about my status. But because of that,

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I've made those connections and there is that tension, know

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where we are facing something where we were were scared

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of some of us and myself included. You know, when

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I found out I was very sick, I had delayed

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testing and so I should have gotten tested earlier. But

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you know that's neither here nor there. It was a

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very scary way that I found out there are other

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people that have experienced that, and then making that connection

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and that relief of my God, someone who gets it,

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someone who understands, you know, someone who is navigating this

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system with me. Yeah. That Yeah, that the way that

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you describe it, that there is that tension, that push

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and pull of like this is frightening, this is hard,

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but you know, in just like interpersonal connections. There is

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that that relief and that that kinship. Like you said,

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it's you just you put it so perfectly that that

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happens when you're experiencing something like that, it can be

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beautiful in some ways, it can be.

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And I think too, like you know, something I was

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trying to get at in this in both of these

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two books, The Poetry Coach and this one is like,

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you know, what's often scariest about living with illness or

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what have you is you know, you go through this

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grieving process, often with yourself, and sometimes that takes a lifetime, right,

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and sometimes that ebbs and wanes with new diagnoses or

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you you know, a medication stops working, or you have

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to find a new doctor or all these different things, right,

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a new loss. And I have a lot of it's

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I call it like the whack a mole of of

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chronic illness. But yeah, yeah, I think we, I think

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many of us know what that feels like, right, You

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you try to find an equilibrium and many times it's

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it's like you're at war with your body, right, your

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body becomes you become an adversary to your body, which

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is not good either. And so something else I was

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trying to explore in this book too, is like what

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care looks like when you know, the real horror is ableism, right,

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or like living in a society that would rather you disappear,

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be invisible die, you know, Like I have a lot

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of other you know, friends and community members. I know

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who's uh, you know, most of my disabilities are invisible,

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right and so like, but they live in the world

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using mobility devices and other you know, other you know,

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00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:14.599
things that they need to use and are much more

473
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.000
visibly disabled, and so like how they're treated, where they

474
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.200
can go. You know, those are the types of things

475
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.720
I was thinking about when when I was writing this

476
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:31.519
book as well, and then using horror tropes, horror storytelling

477
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:36.319
techniques were wolves, you know, being one of them, to

478
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:37.920
explore that a little bit more.

479
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:44.400
Wow, was was there anything maybe a specific story or

480
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.680
piece or even anything like in the writing process for

481
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.559
this book that surprised you or maybe it took you

482
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.759
to a place that you didn't expect to go?

483
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.720
Absolutely, I mean this is by far, you know. I

484
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.839
I think with Lasprietures, I was dipping my toe into

485
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.559
horror a little bit. It's I kind of for a

486
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.599
lot of folks like I call it coror light, you

487
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:11.160
know what I mean. It's like it's weird and you know, creepy,

488
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:16.319
but it's not like super super scary, you know what

489
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:21.200
I mean, at least not maybe for like Season four Lovers,

490
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.400
whereas this one, I was trying to push myself intentionally

491
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.319
and grow as a writer in this genre, which is

492
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.319
still kind of new to me. And so there's like

493
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.200
one story called blood draw and I had just watched

494
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.839
the nineteen seventy Oh I'm blanking on the date, but

495
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:46.680
the nineteen seventies or eighties The Blob, the remake. I

496
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.480
really liked that version for some reason. And then I

497
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.839
had also watched Invasion of the Body Snatchers like around

498
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.599
the same time, and I was thinking about what happens,

499
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.799
you know, every time you go get your blood drawn.

500
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.640
What happens to all that blood once it's been tested?

501
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.680
Is it just thrown away? How is it disposed of?

502
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:11.680
And I was thinking about, like the the often invasiveness

503
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.519
of giving blood even though it's necessary, And so I

504
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.319
was like, well, what if A lot some many of

505
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.960
my stories start with what ifs. What if instead of

506
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.599
the Blob, it was like all the blood from a

507
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.640
phlebotomy lab and it like merged into this weird high

508
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.000
mind being and started consuming people. What would that sound like?

509
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.000
You know, what would that even look like on the page?

510
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.039
It's a pretty wild layout. Might bless my editors for

511
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.400
an Undertaker Books for going with me on that. But yeah,

512
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.640
so that's just one example of like and I was

513
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.440
not expecting where that was going to go. It's very

514
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.720
outside of my comfort zone. But I actually am really

515
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.359
happy with it.

516
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:58.279
Well that sounds so so cool, like in the weirdest way.

517
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.880
I'm you know, like you said, for us a seasoned

518
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.119
horror lovers, I'm very excited to read that. And we're

519
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:22.559
gonna take a one more quick break, okay, and we're back, Ladicia,

520
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.960
Is there's something that maybe you would like people to

521
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.079
know before they read the new book? The remedy is

522
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.920
the disease? Is there maybe something a lens that they

523
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.400
should go into it with or should it be just

524
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.119
kind of like, you know, take a dive off the

525
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:40.640
deep end?

526
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.440
Maybe a little bit of both, you know, I do

527
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.480
I have friends for whom this they love, They love

528
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.880
and support me. They will not read this book, and

529
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:57.000
that's okay. If Body for is not your thing. That

530
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.519
is okay. I hope that you read it. I hope

531
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.039
that you can with it. I did bring some of

532
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.200
the work to a kind of normy critique group, like

533
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.160
a few years ago before this was published, and one

534
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.079
woman told me that it made her deeply uncomfortable, and

535
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:18.720
I was like, good, thank you. Yeah right, I'm like, okay,

536
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:24.640
mission accomplished. But you know, I do like there's content warning,

537
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.880
you know, like I always like to give people a

538
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.839
content warning, like this is Bodyhore. There's some pretty grewsome

539
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.480
stuff in here. It is going to make you uncomfortable.

540
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.079
It's dealing with, you know, like I said, chronic pain.

541
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.119
It's dealing with the body transforming into you know, scary

542
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.319
and unexpected ways. It's dealing with pregnancy loss and all

543
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.880
the ways that that like affects people, and it affects

544
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.759
partners and couples, deals with suicidal ideation. So like, just

545
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.440
you know, tread carefully, take care of yourself. I think

546
00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:00.240
that that's important. But also yeah, I hope that people

547
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.440
come in with an open mind and just you know,

548
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.519
coming to the page, you know, slowly and carefully whatever

549
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.079
that looks like to you. But I hope people enjoy it.

550
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.400
You know, I think already a few folks that have

551
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.000
read it or like, oh, this is my favorite, and

552
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.920
I'm like, oh, that's surprising. You know, it's surprising to

553
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.320
learn what people's favorite stories are. I'm excited for that.

554
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.599
Yeah. Yeah, I relate so hard on you know, your

555
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.960
loved ones being like I cannot read this. You know,

556
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.559
I have family or friends who will say I can't.

557
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.400
They're like, I know you, and I know you personally,

558
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.840
and people who know in my real life, I'm like

559
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.039
such a fool. I'm always acting up like and there,

560
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.159
but when I'm telling a story, I try and lock

561
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.679
in and like make it really scary. And so I've

562
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.599
had people telling me like I could not listen to

563
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.480
this episode, or like I had to just mute it

564
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.079
and let it play through to give you the stream,

565
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.519
and I'm like, listen. That is the biggest compliment to

566
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.320
me when someone tells me this episode is too scary,

567
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.480
I had to pause it and listen listen to it

568
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.679
again during the daytime. You know that. I'm like, ugh,

569
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.800
mission accomplished. So good for you to get.

570
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.159
That episodes are legit absolutely no, some of your episodes

571
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.719
are legitimately very scary, but I love I love being scared.

572
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.000
So well, thank you. Speaking of you being scared, You've

573
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:26.239
shared an encounter previously in an interview you've done with

574
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.480
a shadow figure, and I was curious if you could

575
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:35.840
share that story here, and if you've experienced anything else paranormal,

576
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.880
I'd love to hear about it. But I'm very curious

577
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.039
about the shadow figure.

578
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.599
I'm so excited to talk about this. So, you know,

579
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.559
I kind of consider myself, you know, I didn't always

580
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.039
used to think I was a believer in the paranormal

581
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.719
or supernatural. I do think I am now, even if

582
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.639
I haven't had as many experiences as other folks have.

583
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.840
I just the world is a mysterious and strange place,

584
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.079
and who would I be if I didn't like keep

585
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.440
an open mind to that. But yeah, when my when

586
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.400
I was younger, I think I was eleven or so.

587
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.199
My I was in middle school. I think my dad

588
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.199
drove a cab and he used to pick me up

589
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.639
from school because I my school was very far from

590
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.800
my house. I was in a magnet school and so yeah,

591
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.280
and on the way home he would listen to a

592
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.360
lot of talk radio, and I remember during that time

593
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.320
we would listen to Art bell a lot, a lot

594
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.760
and so UoS you know, strange encounters. But I remember

595
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.199
very specifically there was a there's like a series of

596
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.360
episodes where they would talk about the shadow people, and

597
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:47.760
that scared connect first on.

598
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:51.199
This absolutely that's get the ship.

599
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:57.840
Out of me. And so I think, like this the

600
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.119
descriptions of the of the likes that live in your periphery.

601
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.079
That was the very specific description is like there are

602
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.159
beings or like entities that are like always You'll never

603
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.800
see them full on, but they'll always be in your

604
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.960
periphery and all these different things and so you know,

605
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:21.360
call it maamed my very very overactive weird imagination, call

606
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.320
it the power of suggestion, what have you. But there

607
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.280
was several like weeks, Like I said, I was a

608
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.840
scaredy cat and things like anything I watched affected me

609
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.559
very differently. I mean it the grim Ones, like all

610
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.840
these horror movies you know, will get me nightmares for months,

611
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.239
But this particular episode I just remember. After that, I

612
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.320
would I would be like brushing my teeth and looking

613
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.119
in the bathroom mirror and out of the corner of

614
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.360
my eye, I'm like, what is that?

615
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.239
What is that?

616
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.360
You know, there's there's like their darkness. Is there something

617
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.039
following me? So you know, I don't. I can't say

618
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:04.039
for sure, you know, but yeah, it really it freaked

619
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.280
me out. It was like a memory that I unlocked

620
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:07.519
when I did that other interview.

621
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.519
Yeah, yeah, I've and they're so common to the shadow people.

622
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.360
But I mean, like you said, it could be imagination,

623
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.800
power of suggestion. It could have also been a summoning.

624
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.880
You know, we don't see them until we speak about them.

625
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.719
Yeah, I don't know, and you know, just like it also,

626
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.960
I think scared me because it's one thing to think

627
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.159
about a human spirit, but that's not how the shadow

628
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:39.159
people are described. They're described as like something like a

629
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.760
totally separate entity and you don't really know what they are.

630
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.079
And I think that like really scary.

631
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.679
I think that the deeper that you delve into the paranormal,

632
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.400
those lines start to blur and the communities start to

633
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:03.079
merge between like ghosts and spirits and extraterrestrials and interdimensional beings.

634
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.760
You know, those things start to merge at some point

635
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.960
when you get to it deep enough. So yeah, it's

636
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.440
very yeah, but I'm sorry. We were gonna.

637
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.800
Say no it's just like it. Are we living in

638
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.800
multiple timelines and they're just like someone You know, there's

639
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.960
been films about that that I think are really interesting.

640
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.679
You know, is it someone whose timeline is merging with mine?

641
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.000
I don't know, but you know, then like later on

642
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.800
more recently, my friends and I would you know, I

643
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.360
started writing a novel that I'm hoping to finish this

644
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.280
year that is based in Austin. It's a paranormal novel

645
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.360
about the spiritualist movement in Austin. And so as I

646
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.599
started to delve into that a little bit more, I

647
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.880
went to like the Texas Spirit Gathering and have been

648
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.480
on a bunch of different ghost tours because Austin is

649
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.920
my hometown and my friend and I love going to

650
00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.280
the tours. Some of the like night owl tours and

651
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.159
stuff like that at Pioneer Farms, and we went on

652
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.719
one where a medium takes you around the property. And

653
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.480
I used to go there for field trips as a child,

654
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.239
and I remember there was this one part in which

655
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.719
we were told, like near the barn, if you've ever

656
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.199
been out to that property, there's an old cowboy who

657
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.199
was in charge of that barn, and he shows up

658
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.440
often is very protective of that area. And there was

659
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.119
a point in the tour where we were kind of

660
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.159
left on our own and there's these rocking chairs on

661
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.079
the porch of the barn, and we sat down into them.

662
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:39.559
And this is the only time I've ever seen in

663
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:46.559
my mind's eye someone this cowboy I think spirit grabbing

664
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.519
the back of this chair and feeling very intently like

665
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.320
get out of my chair. And I turned to my

666
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.440
friend at one point and I said, Oh, we gotta go.

667
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:57.920
This man's not on us here.

668
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.800
Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to

669
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.559
take the signs and say all right, I hear you

670
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.719
loud and clear, exactly. Oh gosh. So the remedy is

671
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.000
the disease again drops May fifteenth. If you're listening to

672
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.000
this episode when it comes out, that'll be tomorrow. However,

673
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.920
if you are a Patreon subscriber, you have early an

674
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.880
ad free access to the episode, so in two days anyway,

675
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.119
May fifteenth, literally the day after this episode airs. Where

676
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.079
can people grab a copy of this book of your

677
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.239
other work, and where can they follow you online?

678
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.280
I would love to help out, you know, and support

679
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.360
my publisher, so you can buy it directly from Undertaker

680
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.639
Books and the link for that is on my website

681
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.400
which is ladsaa dot com. Please follow my work there

682
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.679
as well. You can purchase my other books from there.

683
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.000
In the links you can follow my newsletter for more

684
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:56.639
about my travels and my other work. But it is

685
00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:01.639
also stopped at local Austin and Texas bookstores including Bookwomen,

686
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:09.480
Resistancia Bookstore, Puria Marvosa, several others. So and if it's

687
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.199
not at your local independent bookstore.

688
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.599
You can order it or you can also win it

689
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.599
in a giveaway that Lithsia and I are collaborating on.

690
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.440
Thank you so Much. Lithsia is donating a signed copy

691
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.760
of the Remedy Is the Disease and in order to

692
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enter that, what you would have to do, dear listeners,

693
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is you follow both susital podcast and Lithisia on Instagram.

694
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It's at sousal podcast and at Lithisia. Asu you like

695
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696
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697
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dedicated to the giveaway and the rules and the details

698
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.360
for that will be in that caption as well, so

699
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.719
make sure that you check that out on Instagram and Lithsia,

700
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.119
thank you so much for your time today. Before you

701
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do God's we'll be reading an excerpt from the book

702
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.119
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703
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704
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705
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.480
much for listening. Lidisia, thank you so so much for

706
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.480
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707
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Thank you so much and I appreciate it.

708
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.880
Welcome back, cool friends, Thank you so much for joining

709
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us for today's episode. Again, make sure that you enter

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and all of that good stuff. One more time, you

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still have time to join us for the book club.

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This month, we are reading A Sunny Place for Shady People.

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Thank you all so so much for or your support.

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million billion words about how much it means to me.

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I will talk to you in the next one and

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