March 5, 2026

The Witch Trials of Chiloé

The Witch Trials of Chiloé
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And NOBODY! In all of Oz! No colonizer that there is or was. Is ever gonna bring me DOWNNNNN! Ayden recounts the horrific and historic witch trials of the Recta Provincia in Chiloé.



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Pig. Wel friend, it's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way,

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I am still your host and you are still listening

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to Susstol, the podcast of paranormal folklore from Latin American

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thank you for being here. No, don't worry, You're not

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that late. It's okay, it's only been six years. Have

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a seat, It's fine. I was just thinking about that

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earlier this week. Has it been six or five? I'll

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need to check someone fact check me, but it may

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have been six already, which means this April will be

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seven six seven, I don't know. It could also very

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well be five to six and that was just an

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embarrassing waste of a joke. Anyway, thank you so much

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for being here. Quick updates before we get into this episode.

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So the new book club book has been announced for

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the month of March. We are reading Witchcraft for Wayward

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Girls by Grady Hendrix, who, if you know anything about me,

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you know is one of my favorite authors. I've read

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so many of his other books. I actually have had

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this book for a very long time. It's upstairs I

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can't show you right now, but I have this book

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and I got it signed by Grady because Jeff and

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I went to an event that he did in San

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Antonio a couple months ago, and he essentially was presenting

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all of the research that he did for the book,

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and that presentation alone, that talk could have been its

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own like touring thing that he did without the book existing.

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But knowing that that all existed because of the book

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makes me really excited to read it. And I think

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if you have never done the Sustol book Club, or

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if you're looking for an excuse to read this book,

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that would be it. I can't make any promises. I

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haven't read it. I've had it for months literally sitting

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on my pile, and we finally have the opportunity to

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read it because you, the voters Patreo subscribers have access

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platform for any anmal updates on the show like the

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book club. Again, this month, we are reading Witchcraft for

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Wayward Girls by Grady Hendricks, Grab your copy, go to

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the library, whatever you got to do, and then stay

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tuned on social media for meeting details toward the end

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of the month. One more announcement is that the Strange

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and Extraordinary Fest is happening. You may have remembered I

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was promoting this a while back and it had to

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get postponed. But it's happening towards the end of this month,

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So March twenty eighth at KMFA Studios here in Austin

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from eleven forty five am to seven forty five pm.

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really cool people. There are VIP experiences happening a little

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earlier than eleven forty five and a bit after seven

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forty five, so there's gonna be panels markets. I am

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also speaking on a panel. I'm actually am seeing this event,

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tickets by visiting Strange and Extraordinaryfest dot com. And there's

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listen to those panels online. So there's something for everyone. Obviously,

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if you can make it in person, it would be

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so fun for everyone to come out. Let's hang out,

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watch me be a gester on stage or what have you,

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and check out the panels. It's going to be really cool.

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It's a great lineup and I'm very excited for this.

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As always end before we get into today's episode. You

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comments like this one from Savanna Rodriguez on the Dancing

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with the Double episode. Savanna said, OMG, I'm columbs and

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specifically from Cali, and there's a super similar story about

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the Devil appearing at a nightclub in a known area

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for nightclubs back in the day called Juanchito Sevana. Thank

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you for sharing that. Yeah. If I think this comment

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was left on the original Dancing with the Devil episode,

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which has since been resurrected or remastered, whatever you want

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to call it, I know for sure in the updated

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version I do talk about the different variations and the

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different places that it's happened, not only across Texas, but

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across the nation and even across the world. Thanks sure

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to check that one out. I haven't heard about this one,

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so I'm excited to look more into this version, specifically

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in this place called Juanchito, because we know of El

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cam and San Antonio, we know of Bocaccio two thousand

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in McAllen. I think I forgot what it was called,

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but there was a place, I want to say, somewhere

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in San Marcos. I'm excited to check out this specific version. Anyway,

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Thank you so much to Leabana for that comment. And

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much with this episode. But if you do notice something

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and you're wondering what is going on, it's ced or fever.

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The Central Texas allergies are my enemy and they want

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this week, so hopefully that works, and if not, I'm

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just gonna have to sleep for like the next two months. Anyway,

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Let's get into today's episode, which is all about the

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witch trials of Chiloe. The first testimony does not begin

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with a crime. It begins with a transformation. A witness,

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voice shaking, tells the court that men removed their ordinary

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clothes and put on something else, a macune of but

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not made of wool, not made of leather, made from

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the skin of the dead. He says it had been

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taken from a corpse, flayed, carefully treated, preserved. When tied

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around the shoulders, it clung like a second body. When

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the wearer whispered certain words, secret words, the garment would stiffen,

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swell and lift. Then the brujo would fly. Another witness

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claims he saw them pass across the moon, not walking

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and not climbing. Flying. The brujo's arms are tight to

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their sides, legs rigid, faces expressionless, and they did not

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travel alone. They traveled in groups. The court clerk records

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testimony describing how the Brujos got gathered at night along

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the coasts of the Chiloe Archipelago. They stood in a circle.

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They spoke in vocations, not in Spanish, but in words.

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The witnesses did not recognize indigenous phrases, fragments of something older.

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Then they disappeared into the sky. Another man describes the cave.

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He says it is hidden in the cliffs, accessible only

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at low tide, Its entrance sealed by enchantment. Only the

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Brujos members of Larechta Provincia knew how to open it.

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Outsiders could not inside. He claims there were chambers lit

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without candles, a council table carved from stone, shelves lined

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with jars containing powders and bones, and guarding the entrance.

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Something worse the vucce. The testimony describes it as a

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child stolen in infancy. Its limbs are deliberately broken and

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reset backwards. One leg twisted over its shoulder, the other

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fused at the knee. Its head rotated so that it

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could not face forward, and its tongue split to produce

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inhuman grunts and cries fed raw flesh taught to obey.

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Its purpose was solely to guard the cave, attack intruders

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and silence traders. One witness claims he heard it before

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he saw it, a wet, choking rasp echoing from inside

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the rock. Another says the creature did not walk, it dragged.

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The court records these statements without comment, but they continue.

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The Brujos witnesses insist could transform into animals black dogs

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with burning eyes, owls that watched from church towers, seabirds

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that circled fishing boats before disaster. They could enter homes unseen,

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slipping through keyholes as mist. They could cause illness by

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burying small packets of enchanted earth beneath a threshold. A

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farmer testifies that after he angered a member of the

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Rector Provincia, his livestock began dying one by one. No wounds,

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no explanation, just collapse. A woman claims her child wasted

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away after she refused to pay for healing services. She

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says she saw Brujo standing outside her window at night,

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though when her husband opened the door there was no

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one there, only the acrid night air. These aren't medieval documents.

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They are sworn testimonies recorded in eighteen eighty in a

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courtroom in southern Chile. This is the story of the

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trial of the so called witches of Chiloe, the men

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of the Recta Provincia, and the modern state that decided

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they had to disappear. Long before there were courtrooms in Ankoud,

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long before Chile declared itself a republic, there were already

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laws here before Spanish sales appeared on the horizon. In

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the sixteenth century. The islands of the Chiloe Archipelago were

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home to the indigenous communities, most prominently the huiliche A

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southern brand of the Mapuche cultural world. They were not

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scattered tribes wandering without structure. They were organized societies. They

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farmed potatoes hundreds of varieties, adapted to rain and cold soil.

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They fished in dugout canoes carved from native forests. They

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traded across islands and onto the mainland. They had territorial authorities,

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kinship systems, spiritual leaders, and mechanisms for resolving conflict. Power

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did not come from a distant capital. It came from reciprocity,

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from lineage, from spiritual knowledge. The Wilicha worldview did not

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divide the world into natural and supernatural. The forest, the sea, illness, storms,

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all were relational. If someone fell sick, the cause might

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not be bacteria. It might be an imbalance, a broken relationship,

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an unseen force, and there were specialists trained to restore

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that balance, healers, ritual authorities, interpreters of dreams. When Spanish

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colonizers arrived in the fifteen hundreds, they did not encounter

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an empty frontier, they encountered a living, thriving Cisam. Over time,

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Catholic missions were established, churches rose, many of which still

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stand today. Spanish law arrived, and new hierarchies formed, but

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Chiloe remained geographically isolated, cut off by rough seas and

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dense forest. Colonial authority was thin. Indigenous and Mestiezel traditions

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did not disappear. They intertwined. Out of that cultural braid

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emerged something new. By the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, what

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later authorities would call the erecta provincia had taken shape.

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And in that world, the erecta provincia wasn't just a coven.

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It functioned as something closer to a shadow government from

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within the community. These were not witches, because when we

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imagine witches, we imagine monsters. But these men were neighbours.

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They harvested crops in the rain, They buried their dead

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in the same cemeteries as their accusers. They navigated the

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same tides. They married, they raised children, they attended mass,

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and at night they performed rituals. To call them brujos

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witches is to adopt the language of the accusation. In practice,

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many functioned as mediators. If two families disputed land, livestock,

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or marriage arrangements, a member of the Recta Provincia might arbitrate.

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If someone believed they had been harmed, spiritually, Abrujo might

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prescribe herbs, prayers or ritual acts meant to counteract malice.

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This was not chaos. It was governance, just not the

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governance recognized by Santiago. Historical records and oral traditions suggest

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that the Recta Provincia developed an internal structure that mirrored

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political organization, territories named after major cities, ranks within the group,

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even symbolic titles suggesting sovereignty, a parallel republic, and in

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a place where the Central Chilean State had limited presence,

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that system worked. People trusted it, feared it perhaps, but

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also relied on it. So when the state later described

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the Rechta Provincia as a criminal conspiracy, it was not

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simply dismantling superstition. It was dismantling an institution that had

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legitimacy in the eyes of many islanders. To the governor,

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it looked like sedition. To villagers, it might have looked

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like order. And that difference, that gap in perception is

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where the conflict begins. By eighteen eighty, Chile was not

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a fragile, young republic. It was an expanding power. Just

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one year earlier, the country had entered the War of

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the Pacific, a brutal conflict against Peru and Bolivia over

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nitrate rich desert territory. In the north, Chilean troops pushed

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across borders. Ports were seized, provinces absorbed. Expansion was not subtle,

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it was policy, and this outward surge was paired with

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something equally aggressive at home. In the south, the Chilean

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state had already carried out what it called the Pacification

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of aro Gania, a military campaign to conquer and incorporate

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Mapucha territory that had resisted Spanish rule for centuries. Indigenous

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lands were confiscated, communities were confined to reductions. Traditional authority

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structures were dismantled or subordinated to Santiago. The message was clear.

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There would be one law, one sovereignty, one republic. Remote

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enclaves with autonomous power structures were not romantic curiosities. They

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were threats, and that brings us to the island's governor.

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In eighteen eighty, Luis Martiniano Rodriguez. Archival records suggest Rodriguez

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was not a superstitious man. He did not believe in

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flying cloaks or demonic guardians in caves, but he did

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believe in order, and he believed the state's authority in

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Chiloe was dangerously thin. The archipelago was geographically isolated, communication

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with Santiago was slow, Local loyalties ran deep, and rumors

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circulated that members of the Erecta Provincia were sheltering army deserters,

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men who had fled service during wartime in the context

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of national mobilization. That was no small accusation. If true,

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it meant that this so called secret society was not

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just mediating local disputes, it was interfering with national war efforts.

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Rodri Ugaz reportedly understood something critical. He did not need

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to prove that witches could fly, transform and cast spells.

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He needed to prove that crimes had been committed. Even

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if he suspected that not every member of the Recta

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Provincia was guilty of murder or poisoning, he recognized that

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dismantling the organization required legal justification. Find enough evidence of

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tangible crimes, illegal association, homicide, conspiracy, and the structure itself

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could be destroyed. The mythology could be tolerated, the autonomy

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could not. From the perspective of Santiago, Chiloe was no

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longer a distant island with charming folklore. It was a jurisdiction,

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and during wartime expansion, jurisdictions must be controlled. Chile in

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the eighteen eighties was building a modern nation state, centralized, militarized,

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and unified. But modern nation states do not share sovereignty.

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Rodriguez's crackdown was not a medieval witch hunt. It was

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an administrative conquest. Arrests began quietly, interrogations followed, and once

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testimony started flowing about flying brujos, about Invunce's guarding secret courts,

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the state found something even more useful than proof of

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harboring deserters. It found a narrative, a story so strange,

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so unsettling, that it could justify intervention in the name

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of public order. And perhaps that was the most powerful

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weapon of all, because once the machinery of the state

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begins to move, it rarely stops at myth. It searches

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for conviction. Once the arrests are made the state decides

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that it will not prosecute witchcraft. There will be no

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theological debate about demons, no legal arguments about supernatural Instead,

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the men of the Erecta Provincia are charged with crimes

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that exist squarely inside modern law, illegal association, attempted poisoning, homicide,

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and extortion. And that distinction matters because once the sensationalism

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is stripped away, some of the accusations are not mythic

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at all. They are frighteningly practical. Several key witnesses claim

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to be former members of the Erecta Provincia, men who

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say they once participated in the rituals, who once stood

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in the cave, swore the oaths, but who now regret it.

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They describe an organization that over time changed what may

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have once functioned as a governance and healing structure had,

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according to these witnesses, become something coercive. They testified that

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members began demanding payments from farmers, protection money if a

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family refused, Livestock might fall ill, crops might mysteriously fail,

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a barn might burn in the middle of the night.

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Whether the destruction was supernatural or deliberate hardly mattered. To

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the victims, their fear was real. One former member tells

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the court that the Erecta Provincia maintained authority not only

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through belief, but through intimidation. If someone challenged a ruling,

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they might be marked. And here the testimony shifts. There

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are allegations of attempted poisonings, powders slipped into drinks, bitter

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infusions mixed into stews, livestock feed tampered with. There are

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accusations of contract killings. Witnesses claim that certain members accepted

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payment to eliminate enemies, whether through ritual curse or physical violence.

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In some accounts, the method was direct, a beating staged

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as an accident, a drowning blamed on the tip. In others,

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the cause of death was ambiguous and interpreted through the

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lens of witchcraft. And this is where the courtroom becomes

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a battleground between two realities. On one side, fantastical imagery

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men flying under moonlight, the invunce guarding a subterranean council chamber,

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secret kingdoms named after distant cities. On the other, recognizably

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human crimes, blackmail, violence, murder. The prosecution leans heavily on

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the latter It argues that the mythology served as camouflage,

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that fear of supernatural retaliation allowed the organization to operate

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without resistance, that belief was the weapon. But there is

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a complication. Many of the most damning accusations come from

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self described former members, men who may have been under pressure,

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men who may have sought leniency, men who may have

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reshaped their own roles to avoid harsher punishment. And woven

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through even these criminal allegations are supernatural threads. The judge

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listens the clerk rights, and the Chilean state does something

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very modern. It separates the story from the statute. The

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court does not ask whether the invuncea exists. It asks

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whether someone administered poison. It does not ask whether flight

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is possible. It asks whether threats were made. But in

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practice the line is not so clean, because fear of

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magic may have been the mechanism that enabled very real crimes. Or,

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and this is the unsettling possibility, accusations of crime may

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have been amplified by a state determined to dismantle a

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rival authority. Was the erecta provincia a spiritual governance network

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corrupted by opportunists? Was it always a chorus of structure

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hiding behind ritual, or were some crimes exaggerated, folded into

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myth to justify destroying the entire institution. The courtroom never

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fully answers those questions. It only delivers verdicts, and those

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verdicts which change Chiloe forever. When the guilty verdicts are

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finally delivered, the courtroom does not erupt. There are no screams,

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no dramatic confessions, just sentences. The Chilean court avoids the

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language of sorcery. It convicts on crimes the republic recognizes.

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Two members of the Dekhta Provincia are found guilty of manslaughter,

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accused of involvement in death tied to the organization's eternal enforcement,

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and alleged contract violence. Each receives a sentence of fifteen

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years in prison. Ten additional men are convicted not of murder,

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but of belonging to a assosacion ilicita, an unlawful society.

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Their crime is membership itself. Their sentences vary one and

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a half years three years, terms long enough to dismantle livelihoods,

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severe reputations, and fracture families. Others receive shorter sentences for

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related offenses, intimidation, conspiracy, participation in what prosecutors frame as

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racketeering operations. The court accepts testimony that the Erecta Provincia

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demanded payment from farmers in exchange for protection refusal. Witnesses

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claim led to destroyed crops, dead livestock, threats whispered in

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the dark. In the official record, the fantastical elements fade.

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There is no conviction for flying, no statute against the

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creation of invuncees. But here's the problem. Much of the

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prosecution's case rests on the words of in prison and men,

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self described former members who were motivated to comply with

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the prosecution with hopes of leniency. Beyond these testimonies, there

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is little physical evidence. No bodies exhumed with confirmed poison,

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no financial ledgers documenting systematic extortion, no cave discovered with

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an invuncea chained at its mouth. As appeals move forward,

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higher courts begin to scrutinize the process. Gradually, sentences begin

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to unravel, convictions are overturned, penalties are reduced. Some of

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the accused are released early, but history is not decided

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only in appellate courts. By the time these men walk free.

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The damage is done. The arrests have shattered the internal

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structure of the Recta Provincia. Public fear has intensified. Members

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have been exposed, stigmatized, divided. The parallel court system, the

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healing network, the shadow governance structure, collapses under the weight

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of scrutiny and imprisonment. Even if some convictions fail, the

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organization does not recover. The Chilean Republic did not need

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to prove the existence of witches. It only needed to

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break the institution, and in that sense it succeeds. By

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the early eighteen eighties, the state's authority in the Chilauea

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Archipelago is no longer symbolic. It is absolute. Court's answer

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to Santiago law flows from the capitol. The cave, real

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or imagined no longer governs the republic does. Today, the

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Chilauea Archipelago looks peaceful. Wooden churches painted in soft pastels

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rise above fishing villages. Ferries move steadily between islands. Children

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walk to school along paved roads that did not exist

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in eighteen eighty. The Chilean state govers re here, now fully, bureaucratically, permanently.

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The Wilicha people remain too. They organize, advocate, preserve language

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and ritual. Their cosmology, shaped by centuries of adaption, continues

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in quieter or private ways. The old stories are told

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at festivals, in classrooms, in homes. Officially, the recta provincia

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is gone. There is no parallel court system, no formal

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council in a cave, no registered, unlawful society operating beyond

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the reach of the republic. And yet ask quietly enough,

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in the right place and the story's surface, some Islanders

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still say the Brujos never disappeared. They adjusted, They stopped

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gathering openly. They stopped naming provinces after distant capitals. They

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stopped speaking of councils and kingdoms. But they did not

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stop existing. There are islanders who swear they've seen the

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lights over the water on moonless nights, moving against the wind.

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There are elders who insist that even now, certain men

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in certain villages never seem to age quite like the rest.

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And then there is the ship, the Caluche, the ghost

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vessel long woven into Chilote mythology, sometimes described as the

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transport of witches across the archipelago. Witnesses claim to see

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it shimmering offshore, a fully lit ship gliding silently across

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black water, music drifting from its decks, only to vanish

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in mist. They say. The Brujos still use it to gather,

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to travel, to conduct business beyond the visible world. And

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when something inexplicable happens, when a healthy family member suddenly

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falls gravely ill, when livestock die without a clear cause,

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when a crop fails despite careful tending. There are those

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who do not call it coincidence. They call it retaliation,

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or balance, or unfinished business. It has been nearly one

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hundred forty years since the arrests of eighteen eighty, one

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hundred and forty years since the Chilean state dismantled the

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known structure of the Recta Provincia. But belief does not

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dissolve with the verdict. It does not disappear with an

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overturned sentence. Institutions can collapse, power structures can be broken,

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but myth, especially myth rooted in reality, is far harder

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to extinguish. Perhaps the Brujos were only ever men, farmers, carpenters, healers,

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caught between two legal systems. Or perhaps the state dismantled

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the visible hierarchy, while something older, quieter, and more patient

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simply receded into the forest. Because of witches truly existed

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in Chiloe, why would they continue to announce themselves. Welcome back,

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well friends, thank you so much for listening to that episode.

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I really really enjoyed this one. I am always all

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about anything witchy like this also teetered on the edge

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of conspiracy true crime. So yeah, I was really really

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into this episode. I was really when we came across

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the topic. And so we're going to dive into the

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sources here. The first one we have is from you

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guessed it, good old Wikipedia. This one gives a lot

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of good background before we dive into the Erecta Provincia

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and the Mayoia, which we're not really mentioning the story,

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but I'm excited to get into it. But anyway, this

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is good background that I want to go over. It

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covers some terms and some things that we will be referencing.

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This is talking about the Galuche, and this says the Galuche,

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also called the Mariner, Ship of Art, ship of Fire,

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ghost ship, or Ship of the Witches, is a legendary

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ghost ship from the mythology of Chiloe and southern Chile.

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So we did mention that it's a ghost shrip, but

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there are some key details that I want to mention here.

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This continues. The legend of the Galuche is related to

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many aspects of the history and beliefs of the Chiloete Archipelago.

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I had such a hard time with that word archipelago

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because I want to say archipelago, but it's archipelago. I

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believe that's what the Google pronunciation gave me, so hopefully

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I said it right each time. I'll figure that out

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in the edit. But yeah, anyway, this continues. Among the

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various hypotheses proposed regarding the origin of the legend, it

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has been suggested that it may be a reinterpretation of

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the European legend of the ghast ship known as the

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Flying Dutchman, which, as we know now, even with this

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story itself, is very likely the influence of European mythology,

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European folklore. It happened in like the practice of witchcraft,

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and I'll unpack that a bit more too. So it

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can also happen, as we know with the legend, as

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it happens to many other legends, right It has also

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been argued that it was based on real events, such

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as the expeditions to the Strait of Magellan. Another possibility

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is that the legend is based on the arrival of

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Dutch privateers to the Archipelago archipelaga, including the one led

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by Bautasad de Gorddes, an expedition that briefly captured the

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island in sixteen hundred. Yet another interpretation maintains that it

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was originally simply a fabrication to conceal smuggling operations in

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the Chiloette Archipelago. There are also those who link its

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origin to the phenomenon of usos or unidentified submerged objects,

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00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.799
so not in the air, but in the water or

460
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.400
maybe in the dirt, subterranean submerged anyway, So essentially, yeah,

461
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.440
this is it's a ghost ship. And when we scroll

462
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.719
down here and also direct links will be on these

463
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.360
seust to Google docs on Patreon, But this talks about

464
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.239
there's a section here it says magical transport ship of

465
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.559
the Witches of Chilowe, which is like, oh, yeah, this

466
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.840
is exactly why this is included here, right. It says

467
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.199
as widespread as the idea that it is a ship

468
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
of the dead and of enslaved sailors. Is the version

469
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.599
that it is also a magical vessel in which the

470
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:38.039
sorcerers of Chilawe hold their celebrations and transport goods. After

471
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.639
this voyage, the sorcerers return from a journey they make

472
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.599
every three months to improve their magical abilities. So it's

473
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.920
kind of like a work retreat, right. They're like, hey,

474
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.559
border directors are going on a retreat a cruise basically, right,

475
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.880
to improve their magical abilities, which I would love to

476
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.480
go on that cruise, but without all the crime this says. However,

477
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.920
it is said that only the sorcerers can board it

478
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.559
and only using the chilo Es seahorse as their means

479
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:06.000
of transport, since by order of the Miya Loobo, it

480
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.199
is forbidden for other beings to board it or to

481
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.119
access the ship by any other means. Okay, a couple

482
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.360
things to touch on here. So it says that it

483
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.440
can only be boarded by the sorcerers using a Chilos seahorse.

484
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.440
So this is not just like a regular seahorse. This

485
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.440
is a mythical, mythological seahorse, right, It's like a It's

486
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.119
not you know, the cute little seahorse that we see

487
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.039
floating around, not the seahorse in our hippocampus, as we

488
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.880
learned from doctor Floydas in the last episode. Shout out

489
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.440
doctor floydas. But it's like a it's a mythological creature

490
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.719
that they I guess it's like the ferry boat that

491
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.119
they take to the Kalucha. This this ghost ship and

492
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:46.199
but only brujos, only shaman. And I'll just use the

493
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.280
general English term, which is can use these things to

494
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.800
get onto that boat, right, And then it says by

495
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.880
the order of the Miyaalobo, which I looked into here,

496
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.280
that's another mythological creature from Chiloei mythology. And it's like

497
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.920
a sea line in sort of merman sort of thing,

498
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.159
So imagine a merman but with the sea lion, not

499
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.760
like a fish. So lots of different Listen, the Chilawet

500
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.480
mythology is so rich and so deep. Do not be

501
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.519
shocked if we do a dive into a bunch of

502
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.679
these other stories. You're gonna probably hear some of these

503
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.039
things in the future because they're all really cool. But yes,

504
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.400
that's one of them. But this also references the the

505
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.719
invunche I wanted to talk about this. So scrolling back

506
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.760
up a bit, it says about the sailors, beny believe

507
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.639
that the sailors on this ship have one leg attached

508
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.559
to their spine, like the invunche. However, others describe them

509
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.840
as very well presented people, wearing special clothing, and when

510
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.280
greeting them, one shakes a very cold hand. In general,

511
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.199
they're polite in their dealings, and with the help of

512
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.119
their collaborators at sea, they rescue shipwrecked sailors. Some believe

513
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.320
that their final destination is the City of the Caesars,

514
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.440
a wondrous place nestled somewhere in the Andes Mountains where

515
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.599
its residents live eternally. So yeah, they're saying that the

516
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.519
sailors that are on here on this ship, these ghost sailors, right,

517
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:08.599
they have some form of physical disfigurement. And I'm using

518
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.519
that word because we're gonna there's a source that we

519
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.280
found here that honestly, like it made my stomach drop.

520
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.360
I'm using the word disfigurement as like unintentional, as a

521
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.039
deliberate thing, like they were disfigured, like something happened to

522
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.639
these people. It also says somewhere in here that this

523
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.719
ship is used to basically like collect souls of sailors

524
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.920
that were that lost their lives at sea. So I

525
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.400
don't know if it's by punishment or if it's just

526
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.320
a you know, you just happen to die at sea,

527
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.119
then you get all access passed to the Klucha right

528
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.199
to this ship. But yeah, there's a lot of mythology

529
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.480
around this ship alone, but some of the other things here.

530
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.639
It talks about magic ship, Home of the Dead at

531
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.079
the at Sea, cursed Ship of enslaved sailors and fishermen.

532
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:50.800
We talked about the transport of the Witches of Chilouette

533
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.840
magic smuggling ship, So like the Witches of Chili can

534
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.360
use this ship to smuggle goods and items, and I'm

535
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:03.280
assuming other people because like we mentioned, it's very very

536
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.280
exclusive access to this ship. Not anybody can get on it.

537
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.760
So then you would think like, yeah, then you can

538
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.079
use it to smuggle whatever you can think of smuggling

539
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.039
on a ghost ship, right, And some say that it

540
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.440
is also a conscious being that this ship has its

541
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.679
sort of like autonomy, It has a mind of its own.

542
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.760
So that was one thing that was referenced in the

543
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.960
story that I wanted to make sure that we understood

544
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.880
what that was. Right now, we can go into the

545
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.719
general kind of legend of the Warlocks of Chiloe or

546
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.199
the Witches of Chiloe. This says the and this is

547
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:35.039
another Wikipedia entry. It says the Warlocks of Chiloe or

548
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:39.079
the Brucos. The Chiloe or Brucos Chilotes are people of

549
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:45.280
the Chiloe Archipelago said to practice witchcraft linked to Chilote mythology.

550
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.079
The source of their witchcraft is often attributed to a

551
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:53.440
legendary encounter between Basque navigator Jose de Moala Imontero and

552
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:58.320
Huiliche Machi Chipila Chipila. This is a person. And again

553
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.599
there are a bunch of words that I'm gonna have

554
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.039
to break down here because I was reading this and

555
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.119
I was like, I need to know, I need to

556
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:03.840
understand what all these things are because I don't just

557
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:05.760
know them off the top of my head. Right. So,

558
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.519
Chilpila is an individual person. She's like an individual character.

559
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.119
And she is a wilicha machi Wlisia is the people.

560
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.480
She is a machi, which is like a shaman. So

561
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.360
she is a shaman of the Wilicha people and her

562
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.840
name is Chilpila. Does that make sense? So Machi is

563
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.159
her title as the shaman, Kuilicha is her culture, her people,

564
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.119
and her name is Chipila. Okay, got it? So what happened?

565
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.599
Here's here's the tea. Here's the gossip for this story

566
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.519
is that this navigator, he was a cartographer, so he's

567
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.239
a map maker. He showed up here to Chiloe to

568
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.840
create maps and he had an encounter with with a machi,

569
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:52.239
with Chilpila, and it's apparently documented because he was a

570
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:56.039
real person that he wanted to encounter Amachi. But this

571
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.519
encounter specifically, this event was not documented, so who knows

572
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.400
right what the truth is. But the legend is that

573
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.079
he went head to head with Chipila, who again is

574
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.800
a Huilichi Machi. She is a shaman of the Huilicha people,

575
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.840
and basically challenged her magic and was like I don't

576
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.400
believe it, or maybe like didn't think she had any

577
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.360
like real strong power, and she ended up proving it,

578
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.400
it said. Chipila is said to have defeated Moraalela in

579
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:28.320
a duel of witchcraft, obtaining a book of European magic

580
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.480
as a reward. So after she defeated him, it said

581
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.840
that she like, I think, like left his ship stranded

582
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.480
or something, and that was his being like, okay, yeah,

583
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.239
you got me. That he gave her this book of

584
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.920
European magic. And so that essentially is where the Aedekta

585
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.039
Provincia is formed. In that moment, the electa provincia is

586
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.920
formed with the combination the melding, if you will, of

587
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:55.920
traditional indigenous like spiritual practices and European magic. This continues.

588
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.599
Belief in witchcraft was common in the archipelago, reaching such

589
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:03.000
Influen's that in eighteen eighty Chilean authorities put warlocks on trial,

590
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:06.440
who they claimed ruled the archipelago through a secret society, right,

591
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.440
and that was this whole story. This continues here. Though

592
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.199
popular belief was attributed to the sorcerers of Chilawe complex organization,

593
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.400
the help of magical creatures and numerous powers and weaknesses.

594
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.079
It says that the warlocks are said to have had

595
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.039
a secret society called La Rechta Provincia or La Mayoria.

596
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.719
Now this is a different thing. La Mayoria is essentially

597
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.519
it's like the governing council, if you will. It is

598
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.159
the governmental body within the Recta Provincia. So if you

599
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.280
were to think about it, you could say, the decta

600
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.119
provincia is this kind of like shadow government, this dual

601
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.280
government that exists, or not even it's just government that

602
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.280
existed on its own before the colonizers really truly took over.

603
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.400
And La Mayoria is the counselor it's like the board

604
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.480
of directors, right, the people who made the decisions, who

605
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.119
held the titles within the Recta provincia. So because I

606
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.760
thought initially that they were interchangeable, that there were one

607
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.119
and the same, but of course reading through these sources

608
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.079
during the research, I realized, okay, no, no, no, it's they exist, yes,

609
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:04.800
side by side, one with the other, but they are

610
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.920
distinct things. So think of it that way. Directa Provincia

611
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.559
is the group itself. It is the umbrella, and le

612
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.960
Mayoria is the council that runs it, the people that

613
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.000
run it, the group of people. Right. This says its

614
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.440
origins date back to the Chilean colonial period when again

615
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:25.039
Navigator Jose the Moralleda visited Chilouet in seventeen eighty six,

616
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.159
So that's that's almost one hundred years between when this

617
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.119
organization was essentially founded because it's said that it happened

618
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:39.719
when Josse the Morelleda had that encounter with Chilpila and

619
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:42.199
then the trial. Right, it existed for almost one hundred

620
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.519
years on its own. Then this continues. According to legend,

621
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.280
Josse the Morelella Imotero challenged the power of the Machi Chilpila,

622
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.920
which is again the sham and Chilpila to a quote

623
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.159
magic competition. Morealeda was defeated and Chilpila ran his ship

624
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.280
aground when he tried to leave the island. So I

625
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.960
guess he tried to get on his boat and was

626
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.719
like bye, and she said nope, I'm going to ground

627
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.599
your ship essentially with her power. However, there are other

628
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.679
sources that say that this was coincidence because of the tides,

629
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.599
that it just kind of pulled his ship back. It

630
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.360
didn't let him go. But because they had that sort

631
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.480
of battle or that challenge, that competition going on, he thought, okay, no,

632
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.559
it was her work and she took credit for it, right,

633
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.400
This says. Accepting his defeat, Moraaleda gave Chilpila a magic

634
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.199
book from which some indigenous people among them Machi's and Gotkus,

635
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.519
which we know that Machi is the shaman, that's what

636
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.239
Chipila is, and so Gotku is essentially like the other

637
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:40.400
side of that. It gotgu is someone who is known

638
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.239
to practice sort of like to do evil or bad

639
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.079
or if we had to use modern like colonial terms,

640
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.519
they do black magic. They do dark magic. Right, So

641
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.159
Machis are the shamans, the healers, and Godkus are the

642
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.239
people who do kind of like the evil bidding, if

643
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.800
you will. So once they got that book from Moraleeda

644
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:01.800
of European magic, these spiritual these indigen spiritual practitioners, the

645
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.000
Shamans and the Machis and the Gakus, they got a

646
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:06.480
hold of that too and they started taking instruction from it.

647
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.519
This fact, it continues, led to the union of indigenous

648
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.679
rituals and practices with the knowledge described in the given book,

649
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.559
which would give rise to the secret society there. It

650
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.360
is that Ekta Provincia was born out of that. All

651
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.880
of that mixing and melting, this continues. Moraleda does not

652
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.239
mention in his report having met the sorceress Chief Bila,

653
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.079
but he does mention the fact that he wanted to

654
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.199
make contact with Amachi or again a shaman, I keep

655
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.960
using words that we're that we may be more familiar with,

656
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.519
so that we really learned these things together. Right, class

657
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.079
is in session reiterating that point. Okay, and now this

658
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.719
talks a bit more about kind of like the structure

659
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.280
of La Mayoria again, that council that runs the acta Provincia.

660
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.000
It says the jurisdiction of La Rechta Provincia, which if

661
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.639
you don't know, it stands for God. What was the

662
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.320
translation that it gave me. It was like the not

663
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:57.000
the right, the righteous, the righteous province. It says that

664
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.719
their jurisdiction extended throughout the ark Pelago and was headed

665
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.000
by a king who, together with other subordinates, formed a

666
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.559
governing council, again known as La Mayoria. There were seven

667
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.599
districts or republics with code names taken from places in

668
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.599
Spain and its colonies. The seat of the king was

669
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.679
in the cueva the Gikavi or Casa Grande in the

670
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.719
surroundings of Gikavi, in the commune of Gemchi. So this

671
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.840
is literally the So this is saying that the king

672
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.239
seat was in the cave of Gikavi, and this is

673
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.400
the cave that was mentioned the story. It was supposed

674
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.960
to be an actual real place which was never discovered,

675
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.079
but allegedly existed. And this is where the Mayoia, the

676
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.000
council of the Rector Provincia, would get together and meet.

677
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:38.519
This is where they had their meetings. They made their

678
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.639
big decisions in this cave. This says according to legend,

679
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.159
the society worked out a cave that was guarded by

680
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.880
a quote deformed being the imbunce there and there's different

681
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.880
pronunciations for it. It's the imbunce I think it's also

682
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.679
known as in vunce with a V. And it says

683
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.360
there they kept the book the Levisterio or levisorio, an

684
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.679
instrument they used to take various exams, and the Chayanko

685
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.360
used to monitor all members of the witch community. They

686
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.280
said that they had this device. I think it was

687
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.679
a mirror that would tell them secrets. It would tell them,

688
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.519
it would give them information. It was essentially like a

689
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:13.559
magic mirror that they also had in this cave. This

690
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.400
cave measured approximately two hundred meters long by three hundred

691
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.519
meters high and contained many rooms lit by torches and

692
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.960
jugs of human oil. And that means that they were

693
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.239
using like human fat to make candles and torches and stuff. Yeah,

694
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.679
there's gonna be a lot of mention of murder and

695
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:33.119
using human bodies for things. So if you're squeamish, I'm

696
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.000
not going to get into great detail. But we're going

697
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.119
to be covering some of that before that, though, let's

698
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:53.079
take a quick break. Welcome back, well friends. So the

699
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.599
next source that we have this is from A. A.

700
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:01.199
Vista's academicas Chilena's or Davista's Chilena's Die You Chile. And

701
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.800
this is essentially just a this is I believe, an

702
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.000
article or a paper, not really a thesis, I don't think.

703
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.079
And this is called Chilote Witchcraft and the Dynamics of

704
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.599
the Refuge Region. It is in Spanish, but the abstract

705
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.320
is in English, and I wanted to read that to

706
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.559
you because there is a full like you can get

707
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.320
the full article and it is how many pages let

708
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.760
me just make sure here pdf, it's twenty five pages.

709
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:27.760
It is in Spanish. But if you want to find

710
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.400
it and translate it, which I may do because you

711
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.119
all know I say this every time I eat it up.

712
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.960
Anytime there's an academic source about this kind of stuff

713
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.599
because I'm like, give it to me. I need to

714
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.280
learn all the things about the paranormal and so yeah,

715
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:42.599
if you want to do that, you can find it.

716
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.239
But I'm going to read the abstract here to you.

717
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.880
This says during eighteen eighty a legal process initiated in Oncoud,

718
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.039
which I think was mentioned in the story. And Ongood

719
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.079
is the city in the Chiloe Archipelago, and it says

720
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.760
again legal process initiated in that city, stemming from crimes

721
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.920
committed during powers ruggles uncovered a witchcraft organization that controlled

722
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.400
the sorcerers and healers of Chilawe, politically structured into two

723
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.960
areas controlled by two kings. One governed the north central

724
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.400
zone of the archipelago from Ghikavi, where the cave was,

725
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.599
while the other ruled the southeastern zone, based in the

726
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.119
town of Guaylen. This organization, called the Erechta Provincia or

727
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.039
Righteous Province, has its origins in the ancestral shamanism of

728
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.000
the indigenous Veliche people, part of their Mapuche heritage. However,

729
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.480
the complexities of its practice are due to a culturation

730
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.519
processes and above all, to the social processes that took

731
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.519
place on the main island. The academic approach used to

732
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:42.039
construct this narrative is based on a boundary between a

733
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.880
type of history that seeks to be cultural, drawing inspiration

734
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.840
from Italian microhistory and cultural geography. So if you wanted

735
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.719
a concise but dense academic explanation of what this story is,

736
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:56.920
that was. That was it, basically. And I wish I

737
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.840
had the time to read all twenty five pages of

738
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.639
the translated document, but I did not give myself enough

739
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.639
time for that. Sorry, But it is available, so again,

740
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.159
direct links are on the Patreon. But if you search

741
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.239
Chilote Witchcraft in the Dynamics of the Refuge Region and

742
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:16.559
the authors are Rafael Hidalgo Carrasco and Jose Marcelo Bravo Sanchez. Again,

743
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.800
it's at the Ravista's academicas Chilena's And this doesn't seem

744
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.079
to be behind like a log in or a paywall

745
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.639
or anything like that. You should be able to find

746
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.960
it pretty simply. But yeah, that was a good, I think,

747
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.480
concise explanation. It's an abstract. Hello, that's what an abstract

748
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.360
is about this story. This next one, there are some

749
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.000
really cool things here too. This one is also pretty small,

750
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.920
This is from Memoria Chilena, and this is titled under

751
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.760
their mini site Religiosity, myth and Chilotte Identity. There's an

752
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.519
entry called the Trial of the Witches of Chiloe, and

753
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.519
this says in eighteen eighty this is going to be

754
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.599
a bit of a repeat, but I want to explain it,

755
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.960
explain it in as many different variations as I can,

756
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.880
because also each of these things has little details that

757
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.079
the other doesn't right, So this as in eighteen eighty

758
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.440
Governor Madiniano Rodriguez decided to prosecute the powerful society of

759
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.079
which is known as Lamayoria or the Majority, which again

760
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.239
is the council that leads La Reta Provincia. This society

761
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.920
had been established in Chiloe since the beginning of the

762
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.119
nineteenth century and came to wield considerable power over the population.

763
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.440
Lamayoia was an institution that arose from the need to

764
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.760
regulate witchcraft in the archipelago, and it had an extensive

765
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.280
network of officials whose organization mirrored that of the Chilean

766
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.360
state self defining itself as a tribunal of the indigenous race.

767
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.760
Its influence extended to a large part of the archipelago's

768
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.360
rural population who presented their claims to it. These claims

769
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.800
generally related to healings and accusations of witchcraft, to which

770
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:49.119
Lamayoia commonly handed down sentences that could range from exile

771
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.000
to the death of the witch. Following the trial, which

772
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.199
was held on charges of conspiracy, the Powerful Witch's organization

773
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.360
was dismantled and gradually faded into obscurity over time, popular

774
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.639
imagination of all sorts of legends related to witchcraft, some

775
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.360
of which persist to this day, and which we are

776
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.800
persisting here today right now with this episode. So this

777
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.440
is where I really came to understand, Like it really

778
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.480
hit me when I read this entry. This is like

779
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.199
it was a fully functioning, self contained existed in a vacuum,

780
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:21.079
basically kind of governed system or government system. They were

781
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.159
doing it all on their own. They had a system

782
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.559
they had it seemed like laws or rules or agreements

783
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.239
that they all seemed to follow, and there were consequences

784
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.000
if those agreements were broken. And so it seems like

785
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.119
it started off as something really i'll use the word

786
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:39.079
altruistic or genuine. But then later, you know, we come

787
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.679
to find out that these real crimes were happening. They

788
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.280
were doing harm to to people, but like not not spiritual,

789
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.519
you know, not like they were like for their own

790
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.960
personal benefit. It wasn't like people were coming to them

791
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.039
for spiritual help, whether that was for protection or to

792
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.360
ask them to harm somebody else on their behalf. You know,

793
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.519
they weren't acting as like kind of like benevolent bipartisan party.

794
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.199
They were taking it upon themselves to benefit from either

795
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.880
their power or the power that people will leave them

796
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.679
to have. Right. I will say also on this entry,

797
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.000
I thought it was really cool. There is an article here.

798
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.000
It is in Spanish, but it's it's a scan of it,

799
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.559
and it's the processo Chilo and it's essentially it's just

800
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.079
it's about the trials. And this was published in nineteen

801
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.599
fifty nine. I think it's the center the society. But yeah,

802
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:27.800
it is on this page if you find it as well.

803
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.800
And there's also a photo here, a drawing that was

804
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.920
made in nineteen eighty five. It's a sorcerer flying with

805
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.639
the macgunye a vest made from the skin. This version

806
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.599
says of a virgin woman's breast that allows him to fly.

807
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.079
This is in nineteen ninety five. It's a really really

808
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.280
cool sketch. I will probably use this as the art

809
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.280
for the episode for the social media post. But yeah,

810
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.360
this thing was also mentioned in the story the Macunye,

811
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.400
and again it is a vest made out of skin.

812
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.400
And there are different versions or different idea of what

813
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.519
this vest could be made of. So here it says

814
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:05.880
skin of a virgin woman's torso and it literally looks

815
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.119
like a vest like you put on. I saw other

816
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.320
versions that may come up here that say that it's

817
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.239
just any sort of like corpse. And so people in

818
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.920
Chiloeg got into the habit of slashing their loved ones corpses,

819
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.000
like after they had passed and before they would bury them,

820
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.320
they would cut their corpse so that their skin could

821
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:27.639
not be used to make the magunya, which is the

822
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.039
vest that gave the Brujos the power to fly. Like

823
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.400
they had to put this thing on and then the

824
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.480
word it'll come up, I'll find it later. There's a

825
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.800
specific word that they would say and they would take flight.

826
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:41.119
So that's what the macunya is. And yeah, it was

827
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.800
like so impactful. People believed it so much that they

828
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.360
again before they laid their loved ones to rest, they

829
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.320
made their skin unusable by the brujos. They didn't even

830
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.280
want to risk it, which reminds me of like other

831
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.559
things that we think of now that and hey, who knows,

832
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:58.440
there may have been truth to that, right, but also

833
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.679
reminds me of like death practic. This is that people

834
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.760
do that maybe we look at now like well, there's

835
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.119
no need for that, or like that's that that act

836
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.119
is fully governed by your belief and something so like yeah,

837
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.360
the way people will put like cages on grave sites

838
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.159
so that their loved ones wouldn't come back as like

839
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.360
a zombie or the undead or what have you. So

840
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.000
things like that, it was just really it stood out

841
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.679
to me. Okay, And then there's another source here where

842
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.079
I'm sorry, I'm doing this for several of these. I

843
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.679
hate to do this to you all, but this one

844
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.719
is one hundred and twelve pages. It is a thesis

845
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.440
by Joaquin Ednandez, and Jeff said that he like really

846
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:34.360
just like when he was writing, he just kind of

847
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.960
like really skimmed through this. It is also in Spanish,

848
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.239
so you would have to download it and translate it.

849
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.000
But this one specifically, it is all about like the

850
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:46.519
trials and the general geographical and like cultural info on

851
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:51.800
the area of Chilawad the archipelago. Yes, right, okay, got

852
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:53.559
that word. Every time I have to think about it,

853
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.639
So yeah, that was just another kind of academic source.

854
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:58.440
And every time we got those, even if we don't

855
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.400
use them, I like to to them on the Susto,

856
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.280
Google doc, Patreon, and I like to like share them

857
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.239
with you too when I can, because I think it

858
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.880
is so interesting that academic entries about these scenes exist,

859
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:11.480
and so if you want to take the time to

860
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.519
read through them, I highly encourage it because it's just like,

861
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.480
it's so cool that this is documented this way. But again,

862
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.719
this is a thesis by Joaqui Nernandez. And I don't

863
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.960
see the title here. There's no title on this. What

864
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.440
I see it's an introduction. I really see a title,

865
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.639
but the link it says repos dot you Chile, so

866
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.800
it's from U Chile. Again, I think we have a

867
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:36.679
couple from here. All right, before we move on to

868
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.639
the last set of sources, we're going to take one

869
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:55.480
more quick break and we are back, which is this

870
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.599
next source. Here is another Wikipedia entry and this is

871
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.679
Witches of Chiloe and this is similar to the earlier one,

872
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.960
but again it did have different details that I wanted

873
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.920
to read through. And this says, the witches of chilaue

874
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.079
are characters from the mythology of Chilauea, an archipelago located

875
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.679
in the Lake district in the south of the country.

876
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:15.920
It is one of the most deeply rooted traditions of

877
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.679
witchcraft in Chilean national folklore. They originate from the attribution

878
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.320
of magical powers that was made in the past to

879
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.440
real people such as those with knowledge of natural medicine,

880
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.679
and possibly also to practitioners figures existing in them up

881
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.960
wicha tradition and religion such as again the Machi and

882
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.639
the Gtku, which again, what are they? Machi are the

883
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.159
shamans and Godku are the like evildoers if you will,

884
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.039
merging them with the beliefs of European witches in a

885
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.519
cultural and religious syncretism. So something I thought that was

886
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.639
interesting here It said many of these quote witches were

887
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:52.039
imprisoned for their alleged involvement in murders and other crimes,

888
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.599
but were later released due to a lack of material evidence,

889
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.559
So that actually happened where they're like, well, we can't

890
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.320
really prove that they did these things, and this continues,

891
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.960
and because it could not be proven that belonging to

892
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.639
a witch's guild would have constituted a crime. However, it

893
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.199
is uncertain how much of their statements were true, as

894
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.679
it is possible they were tortured to force confessions, which

895
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.800
we know has happened in the past with people of

896
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:24.360
varying religious religious practices. They are tortured into converting being

897
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.559
tortured into a confession, which would not be a far

898
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.440
fetched idea, right. This says in the twenty first century,

899
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.679
the belief in witches remains deeply rooted in Chilewe but aside,

900
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.239
and I thought this was interesting here Aside from labeling

901
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.400
those with knowledge of natural medicine or beliefs in magic

902
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.480
as such as witches, the term the term witch or brujo,

903
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:48.159
I'm assuming, is used to undermine people's reputations, especially when

904
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:51.760
they are poor, indigenous, or elderly. So I think we've

905
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.719
seen this happen time and time again. It is a

906
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.280
trope that I think we see in many books, probably

907
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.239
with the book that we're going to read for this

908
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.199
month's book club, which I didn't even think about that

909
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:02.920
I just thought about that that that lined up. I

910
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.360
am the universe, the universe is me. It's a full circle.

911
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.760
I don't know how that lined up, but essentially, like

912
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.000
outsiders are always labeled as witches, that's like a trope, right,

913
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.559
Like the outsider is the witch, the outsider is the monster,

914
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.079
is the villain. So it happens here too, where it's

915
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.440
saying that in the twenty first century, the belief still

916
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.920
very much exists. And yes, there are people that are

917
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.840
identified that way or maybe even self identified because they

918
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.000
practice plant medicine or they believe in magic. But the

919
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.320
term itself is also used to undermine people that could

920
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:37.559
already be seen as outsiders, poor people, indigenous people, the elderly.

921
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.360
I think that is like one of the hidden groups

922
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.320
of people maybe not depending on how to look at it,

923
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.760
that are marginalized. I think the elderly are marginalized mainly

924
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.840
because of how systems are set up, like financially, and

925
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.519
I can't get into it. I cannot get into it.

926
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.000
But if you know, you know, like I think the

927
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.880
elderly are a group of people that should be taken

928
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.159
better care of by the government because it's going to

929
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:00.920
be all of us one day, hopefully, right we all

930
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.599
grow to be old and gray. And I'm just going

931
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.559
to stop that right there before the flood gates open.

932
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.639
But anyway, yes's that's what I'm saying, is that that

933
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:12.920
word the identity of a witch is used to label outsiders. Okay,

934
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.360
this is the part that I really wanted to read

935
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.880
to you all, was about initiation. How did people join

936
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.280
therekta Provincia? This says it is said that entering witchcraft

937
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.480
in Chiloett is a great privilege, and that preference is

938
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.559
usually given to relatives and children of witches, or to

939
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.840
a few special people who have made some deal with them. Okay,

940
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:35.119
Nepo witches. Never in my life did I think that

941
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:36.920
would be a thing, right, But here we are apparently

942
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.320
to be in the erect that Provincia, you needed to

943
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:40.880
be a Nepo baby, or at least that was one

944
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.480
of your options. It says to become a sorcerer one

945
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.119
must perform a series of rites. First, it is necessary

946
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.599
to quote wash away baptism, that is, to abandon Christianity

947
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.239
through a ritual in which the aspirant must spend forty

948
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.360
nights with their head under a draiguen a small waterfall

949
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:05.440
somew it in Naluad. Others in the Gouyiwe the Gammaweto,

950
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:09.559
a mythical creature and initiated sorcerers also bathe there to

951
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.480
gain strength. And the Gammaweto, it's a mythical creature found

952
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.559
in again Chilote mythology is used to explain landslides and

953
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.760
the formation of rivers, streams and similar waterways. So it's

954
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.519
saying that this creature, along with other sorcerers and initiates,

955
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:27.880
they go to bathe under this waterfall to get that

956
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.800
magical strength. Right, this continues, then one must call upon

957
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:35.440
the devil allowed to erase the sacrament. If one wishes

958
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.480
to remove baptism more quickly and demonstrates their interest to

959
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:42.239
other sorcerers, the initiate must wash their head and body

960
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.840
with the blood. This is sorry, y'all, trigger warning infanticide

961
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.760
with the blood of an unbaptized newborn. This ritual is

962
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.119
performed to achieve great mental strength and acquire heightened sensitivity,

963
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:58.599
allowing them to perceive the thoughts of even the purest humans.

964
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.519
So where these writes these practices to to initiate into

965
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:09.320
the Adeta Provincia, I don't know exactly where they came from,

966
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.400
what the origin of they are. But like it said,

967
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.119
or it was mentioned earlier, and like with many of

968
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:18.719
these stories, people maybe ran with their imaginations on this,

969
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.440
but you know, sometimes these things are rooted in reality.

970
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.199
We don't actually know what the process was to join

971
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:28.679
this group. Anyway, this continues. After completing these tests, the

972
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:32.000
sorcerer is taken to the cave before the majority or

973
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.280
the Mayoia which is the council, and presented to the

974
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.320
leadership presided over by the Buddha, who have convened in

975
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:44.400
solemn session to determine his final initiation test, which also

976
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.159
I think is a good spot to mention it. It

977
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:47.880
may come up a little bit later. Like I just

978
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.360
used the pronoun his because from what we could find

979
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.920
online that at the provincia it is a sect of

980
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.400
male witches. So I think that some of them, like

981
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.000
the kings, they could have a queen, but the queen

982
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.719
did not hold a position of power. In the Chaplovincio

983
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:07.119
or in the Myotia. This was like a male lead thing,

984
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.519
which of course it dulved. It just turned into a

985
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:11.760
bunch of crime and doing bad when you leave men

986
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:13.480
to do their own thing. So I just wanted to

987
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.440
point that out here before we continue. This says, you know,

988
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.440
he does the initiation test. This test generally involves again

989
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.320
more murder, murdering a beloved relative and must be carried

990
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.960
out on a Tuesday night. Now. I wanted to say

991
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.800
something here because I have been getting into learning a

992
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.360
bit more about the planets as I'm learning a bit

993
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.119
more about Taro, and I learned that Tuesday is ruled

994
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.400
by the planet Mars, and Mars is the ruler of

995
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:43.159
one of the signs is a scorpio and Aries, and

996
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:44.840
we know Aries is the god of war, right, so

997
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.480
I think there's already there's like action. It's also a

998
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.400
day for like action, for physical action, for motivational boosts

999
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.880
and stuff. It just seems like the day to take action, right,

1000
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:56.599
so I would I don't know. When I read this,

1001
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:58.559
I was like, that makes sense to me, Like Tuesday,

1002
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:03.039
fire action, aries, war, and with that comes death, right,

1003
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.719
So yeah, it just it made sense to me. If

1004
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.039
there's anybody out there that knows about the planets, let

1005
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:09.920
me know what you think about that. Is that why

1006
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:15.960
they chose Tuesday to do that? Right? Because Monday is emotions, family, relationships, food,

1007
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:23.159
Tuesdays action physical action, Wednesday is communication, Thursday's success, Friday

1008
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:28.599
is beauty, love, fashion, socializing, Saturdays for tasks, responsibilities, rules,

1009
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:32.000
and Sundays for creativity, self expression, stuff like that. So

1010
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:34.440
I don't know really quick lesson on the days. But

1011
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:36.320
also if you know more about that, please tell what

1012
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.599
you think about Tuesday being the day to have to

1013
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:42.960
murder your loved one to join a mal witch sect.

1014
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:46.039
You let me know. This continues afterward, on a dark night,

1015
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.239
he must walk three complete circuits around the islands, naked

1016
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.559
and shouting a call to the douvil. During this journey,

1017
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.280
he is not allowed to walk on the planes or

1018
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.559
along coastal paths, as an instructor sorcerer watches him the

1019
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.559
entire way. Upon reaching the breakwaters at low tide, the

1020
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.199
initiate it must jump into the water. Once he has

1021
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.880
reached his destination, I performed the ritual, and if the

1022
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.639
devil has appeared to him, the chief gives him the

1023
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.119
magune or the vest previously made by the initiate himself.

1024
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.480
So aside from all these murders and stuff, bathing in

1025
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.639
the baby blood, killing a loved one, all that stuff.

1026
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.920
You also have to make your magune or your skin

1027
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.280
vest that gives you the power of flight. Then you

1028
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.440
will receive it towards the end or at the end,

1029
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.079
it says. Upon completing his rituals, he must take an

1030
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.360
oath which includes allegiance to the devil, for the devil

1031
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.119
is the supreme leader of witchcraft. And this is, I

1032
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.239
think is where the European influence comes in. I think

1033
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:41.000
that's where that the devil and washing away Christianity and

1034
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:44.400
pledging allegiance to the devil, I think that's the European

1035
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.360
influence one hundred percent, it says. And the oath to

1036
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.400
keep his status as a witch a secret, for failure

1037
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.559
to do so will result in his death. Within a

1038
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.559
year after his initiation, a grand banquet is held, the

1039
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.960
main course of which trigger warning again in fanticide, is

1040
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:01.719
the roasted flesh of a baby. Gross this wraps up.

1041
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:04.599
The apprentice sorcerer is then secluded for a time, wearing

1042
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.320
a lizard on his forehead, held by a red cloth,

1043
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.440
so that he may acquire wisdom. Once familiar with the lizard,

1044
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.280
which has undoubtedly imparted some magical power to him, he

1045
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:17.119
can witness his master's transformations into animals, lizards, dogs, horses,

1046
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.880
et cetera. He can also observe him flying, opening doors

1047
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.360
without keys, putting people to sleep, and so on. Later,

1048
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.360
some wise elders teach him the powers, abilities, and rules,

1049
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.360
such as the prohibition against tasting salt and the probition

1050
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.360
against rape or theft, as these are forbidden by their

1051
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.880
code of morality. So there is a code of morality

1052
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:37.920
even though they are killing babies and people to become initiates.

1053
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:42.320
They say murder is fine, but rape and theft are

1054
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:44.559
not okay, which none of them are okay. But I'm like,

1055
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.320
how did you make that decision? I don't know, this says.

1056
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.400
This code also forbids him from other uses of his

1057
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.360
magic that involve appropriating what belongs to others, even in

1058
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:55.719
cases of extreme needs, since a sorcerer must not be

1059
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.239
driven by such desires. See and this is where you

1060
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.840
can see that. Even though it's it's like some weird

1061
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:05.119
lucy goosey like they said code of morality, this started

1062
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.280
off one way, like there was like you cannot appropriate

1063
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.599
what belongs to others. So to me, that means you

1064
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.519
wouldn't blackmail somebody for their money. Or their crops or

1065
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.679
live livestock, right, and like, how did that switch happen?

1066
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.199
I think that counts as theft, right, So where what's

1067
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.519
going on? I'm not sure? Okay the next one, and

1068
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.760
this one is a really happy one. I actually did

1069
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.719
read through this whole thing and it was really really cool.

1070
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.840
I suggest that you look through this one. This is

1071
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.880
from Smithsonian Magazine. It's smithsonianmag dot com and it is

1072
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.880
titled Into the Caves of Chila's Witches. Did members of

1073
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.679
a powerful society of Warlocks actually murder their enemies and

1074
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.679
kidnap children? And this is the one that Jeff said

1075
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.159
that he based pretty much almost all or like the

1076
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.000
majority of the story or report, whatever you want to

1077
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.000
call it. He based it on this. And this is

1078
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.760
really really comprehensive. It just it tells the whole story

1079
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:58.519
basically from beginning to end. And this was by Mike

1080
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.480
Dash published in twenty thirteen, So shout out Mike. You

1081
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.039
did an amazing job with this. Thank you for writing this.

1082
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.800
One thing that I really wanted to talk about in

1083
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.719
this one is the in vunce because this this talks

1084
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.199
about people's testimonies. I'm not sure where he got the

1085
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.079
testimonies from I'm sure that they're sided and and the

1086
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.360
sources down here, But this talks about the invunce. And

1087
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:23.920
this is what I said that I read earlier in

1088
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.519
my stomach, drafted because this was wild. So this says

1089
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.760
the most important of the warlocks brought to court in

1090
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.519
eighteen eighty was a Chilote farmer by the name of

1091
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:35.079
Madeo Gogna God. He was then seventy years old and

1092
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.000
by his own admission, had been a member of the

1093
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.519
Righteous Province for more than two decades. According to Gouigna

1094
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.519
god Is testimony, the society was an important power on

1095
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.800
the island, with numerous members, an elaborate hierarchy of kings

1096
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.360
and viceroys, and a headquart is located in a vast

1097
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.480
cavern forty or more yards long, whose secret entrance had

1098
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:55.199
been cleverly concealed in the side of a ravine. Okay.

1099
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.800
And this says that Gougna God's testimony may be found

1100
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:00.320
lodged among the papers of the Chilean his store in

1101
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.000
Benjamin Vikunya McKenna, Okay. This is part of the testimony.

1102
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.199
It says twenty years ago, when Jose Mariiman was king,

1103
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:09.639
He was ordered to go to the cave with meat

1104
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.360
for some animals that lived inside. He complied with the

1105
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:14.599
order and took them the meat of a kid he

1106
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.880
had slaughtered. Mariiman went with him, and when they reached

1107
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.600
the cave, he started dancing about like a sorcerer and

1108
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:23.239
quickly opened the entryway. This was covered over with a

1109
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.399
layer of earth and grass to keep it hidden, and

1110
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:29.319
under this was a piece of metal the quote alchemy key.

1111
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.039
He used this to open the entryway and was then

1112
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:35.800
faced with two completely disfigured beings which burst out of

1113
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.720
the gloom and rushed towards him. One looked like a goat,

1114
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:41.920
for it dragged itself along on four legs, and the

1115
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.159
other was a naked man with a completely white beard

1116
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:47.800
and haired down to his waist. This outside of the

1117
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.520
testimony in Mike's Riding, says, it is possible from other

1118
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.279
records of the Righteous Province or the Erechta Provincia to

1119
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:57.199
learn more about the hideous creature that Gunnacar swore he

1120
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.159
had encountered in eighteen sixty, the goat like monster as

1121
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.000
the Chivato, a deformed mute covered in piggish bristles, the

1122
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:07.079
other and by far the more dangerous of the caves

1123
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:11.319
twin Denisens was the Invunce or imbunce. Like the Chivato,

1124
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.119
it had once been a human baby and had been

1125
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:18.079
kidnapped in infancy. Chatwin describes what happened to the baby next,

1126
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:20.279
and you may want to skip maybe like a minute

1127
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:22.520
or two a head, because this was wild to me.

1128
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:24.960
But this says back to the testimony. When the sect

1129
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.600
needs a new invunce, the council of the cave orders

1130
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.359
a member to steal a boy child from six months

1131
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.680
to a year old. The deformer, a permanent resident of

1132
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.000
the cave. So this is somebody's position, starts work at once.

1133
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.239
He disjoints the arms and legs and the hands and feet.

1134
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:44.199
Then begins the delicate task of altering the position of

1135
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:46.960
the head, day after day and for hours at a stretch.

1136
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.880
He twists the head with a turnicquet until it has

1137
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.560
rotated through an angle of one hundred eighty degrees, that is,

1138
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.159
until the child can look straight down the line of

1139
01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.239
its own vertebrae. There remains one last operation, for which

1140
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.119
another specialist is needed. At full moon, the child is

1141
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.159
laid on a workbench lashed down with its head covered

1142
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.960
in a bag. The specialist cuts a deep incision under

1143
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.239
the right shoulder blade into the hole, he inserts the

1144
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.359
right arm and sews up the wound with thread taken

1145
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.800
from the neck of an ew. When it has healed,

1146
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:22.760
the invunce is complete. Oh God, that gave me chills.

1147
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:26.159
So initially, when we were reading about this, I thought

1148
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:31.399
an invunce was another mythological creature. No, wrong, an in

1149
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:35.800
vunce is created, it is made. It is a person

1150
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.880
that is intentionally deliberately disfigured. Deformed is a word that

1151
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.319
they used earlier. They are tortured. Essentially, they are tortured

1152
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:47.399
and their bodies are broken for whatever reason. I'm still

1153
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:51.079
getting chills. So I was shocked to learn that this

1154
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:54.640
isn't some mythological creature and it just exists that way. No,

1155
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.600
this was a child that was kidnapped and they did

1156
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.239
this to them to turn them into a quote monstrous guard.

1157
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:05.159
This continues naked, fed principally on human flesh, and confined

1158
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:09.359
below ground. Neither the Chivato nor the invuncee received any

1159
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.520
sort of education. Indeed, it was said that neither ever

1160
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.600
acquired human speech. In all the years they served what

1161
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.279
Chatwin calls the Committee of the Cave. Nevertheless, he concludes,

1162
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.960
over the years does develop a working knowledge of the

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01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:25.800
committee's procedure and can instruct novices with harsh and guttural cries.

1164
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.720
It would be and wise, of course, to accept at

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01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:30.560
face value the testimony given at any witch trial, not

1166
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.880
least evidence that concerns the existence of a hidden cave

1167
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:35.880
that a week long search conducted in the spring of

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01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:39.199
eighteen eighty felt to utterly uncover. That was again, so

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01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.319
this talks about how they did they couldn't find the cave,

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01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.680
But yeah, I thought that part was wild, that this

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01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:52.039
Invuncee was not a mythological, magical creature being thing. It

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01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:56.960
was someone that they harmed. That was crazy to me.

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01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:59.279
So then this also goes on to talk more about

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01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:04.680
the process or the rituals of initiation and the things

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01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.800
that they have to do. And this talks more about

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01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.279
like the government doing what they needed to do to

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01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.600
put an end to these people, which I mean, I

1178
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.039
don't know. I'm like, yeah, they were committing crimes, right,

1179
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.079
but the Spanish government's not committing crimes. The US government

1180
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.319
is not committing crimes. Like, who's to say that you

1181
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.399
get to exist and do crimes, but those people cannot

1182
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.840
do crimes because all of a sudden you have moral superiority, right,

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01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.760
I don't know. I was just like they were a

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01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.840
system that was working, and I'm not exactly sure where

1185
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:38.479
that intention shifted to them, you know, harming their own

1186
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.680
community really, But it's like there's there's always you can

1187
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:46.399
always rely on colonial governments to overreach and step in

1188
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.560
where they probably shouldn't and ultimately, and this is saying

1189
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:52.560
here too, this was really I think about the War

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01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.520
of the Pacific and how I'll just rehear this says.

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01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.800
As a result, the great bulk of the country's armed

1192
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.600
forces were committed far to the north, situation that Chila's

1193
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.159
old rival at Hindiana was quick to take advantage of. Yeah,

1194
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.920
Hinthinus chose eighteen eighty to revive a number of claims

1195
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.359
they had to land along their border, and this threat

1196
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.680
was keenly felt on the western side of the Andes

1197
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.239
until it was diffused by the eighteen eighty one Ratado

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01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.840
de Limitas, a treaty that continues to determine the boundary

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01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.680
between the countries Chiloez, which trial is probably best understood

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01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.399
as a product of these tense tensions. Certainly, the first

1201
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.880
published reference to the religious province to the Righteous Province

1202
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:30.359
appear in a decrease ordering the roundup of army deserters

1203
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:34.159
that were issued by the island's governor, Luis Rodriguez Marthiniano,

1204
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:37.920
which again there were deserters people that went a wall

1205
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:41.319
and they were like, well, you have our criminals, so

1206
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:43.520
we're just going to go ahead and dismantle your whole

1207
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:45.600
thing so that we can get them back, right. Yeah,

1208
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.239
it all came down to politics and war as to

1209
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:52.319
why they dismantled this, I think more than the crimes.

1210
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:54.079
I don't think they actually did care about the crimes

1211
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:55.840
that they were committing. They're like, well, those are our

1212
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.880
soldiers and we want them back, so we're going to

1213
01:13:58.079 --> 01:13:59.560
do what we can to get them back, and that

1214
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.920
meant disbanding them. I will say, I do want to

1215
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:03.720
read how this ends. Sorry I'm going to spoil the

1216
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:05.319
end for you, but I was like, ooh, that gave

1217
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:08.399
me chills. That was spooky, it says. Still several mysteries

1218
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:11.560
remained when the verdicts were handed down. Had every member

1219
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.920
of the Myotia really been accounted for. Had the society

1220
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:17.960
actually been headquartered in a hidden cave. If so, what

1221
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:21.439
happened to its ancient leather book of spells? And what

1222
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:25.880
became of the invunce. So these people that were disfigured

1223
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:29.199
and tortured and then turned into whatever they were turned

1224
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.119
into an in vunce, if that was real, where they

1225
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.920
just left out there? Did they still exist out there? Like? What? Like?

1226
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:37.600
Just imagine being out there and not knowing what who

1227
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:39.600
this person is, what happened to them, but just seeing

1228
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:41.319
them that way and thinking, oh, this is a monster,

1229
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:43.680
Like it would be freaky to me without knowing the

1230
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.439
context to think that something like that, someone like that

1231
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.840
exists out there again, not knowing the terrible things that

1232
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.439
happened to them. Because if anything, I feel bad for

1233
01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:55.720
the Invunce, for the people who were turned into invuncez

1234
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.079
okay and then really quickly the last two sources that

1235
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.520
we have here, this is another paper, and this one

1236
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:07.000
is the Supernatural as an explanation of reality, myth, magic

1237
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:09.359
and witchcraft in Chiloe. This one is not that long.

1238
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:11.760
It's also in Spanish, so we would have to translate

1239
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:13.439
it to read the whole thing. But I think this

1240
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.199
is really cool. We've had similar things like this, like

1241
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:19.159
the the book that I have, the Bloodsucking Witchcraft about

1242
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:23.880
the Lapucci. It talks about people using supernaturalism to explain

1243
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.680
anything really and so I thought this is really interesting.

1244
01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.439
And this one is by two folks. It's written by

1245
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:33.840
a Francisco Garvez and Jose Ernandez Rojas. And this is

1246
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:39.359
also yeah Revista dot Umcee. Again it's titled the Supernatural

1247
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:43.239
as an Explanation of Reality, Myth, Magic and Witchcraft in Chiloe.

1248
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.039
And that's an academic paper. And then the very last

1249
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.239
thing I am going to post pictures. I think of

1250
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.039
this in the social media post. This is a photo

1251
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:58.479
book by a Claudio Albaran and the photo book is

1252
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.359
called Director Provincia. First of all, I want to say,

1253
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.760
if anybody can find this book, I want a copy

1254
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.439
of it so bad. This artist, this photographer put this

1255
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.399
photo book together and it is heavily inspired and influenced

1256
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.319
by the witch trials of Chiloe in eighteen eighty. These

1257
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:21.199
pictures are haunting. They are very scary looking, but also

1258
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:23.560
like there's I can see the beauty in them too,

1259
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.159
Like I don't know. You all know how my freaky

1260
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.319
mine works. And I I'm gonna tag the artist in

1261
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.399
the photos as well when I post them, because they

1262
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.920
just they look creepy and you can see them on

1263
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.640
the social media post risk because yeah, I'm like, I

1264
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.680
want this book so bad, and it was just really

1265
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.680
cool this and they talk about the story itself in here,

1266
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:44.880
but it's all stuff that we've just covered in these sources.

1267
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.119
But I just wanted to share it because it's heavily,

1268
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:50.319
heavily influenced by these witch trials. Again, it is by

1269
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:54.119
Claudio Albaran and the book is called Director Provincia. I

1270
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.159
think the publisher, it says here is Fluck Books, Fluk

1271
01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:00.199
Books or Fluke. I'm not sure they might pronounce that,

1272
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:05.079
but I would say, check out the pictures look so cool. Again,

1273
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:06.960
I need to find a copy of this. All right,

1274
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:22.880
let's take a quick break. Welcome back, girl friends. Thank

1275
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:27.119
you so much for listening to today's episode. Again, I

1276
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:28.720
really had fun with this one. I thought it was

1277
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:33.000
so cool. I'm sorry I hate providing sources and being like, well,

1278
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.640
I didn't read this one, but I'm like, I don't

1279
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.399
have time to read all of these things like personally

1280
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.800
in my personal life much less to like put them

1281
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.199
in the episode, but they are more like resources that

1282
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:44.000
I want to put out there because I think that's

1283
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.359
part of this show too, is like encouraging us to

1284
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:48.920
gather our own stories. And so if you end up

1285
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:50.840
reading any of these or it doesn't even have to

1286
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.000
relate to this episode anything, you're like, hey, I think

1287
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:54.399
you would like this. I think you would think this

1288
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:56.680
is cool. I have had people send me stuff like that.

1289
01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:59.159
I love when that happens. It's so fun to me.

1290
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:01.159
Like I said, I love any sort of like writing,

1291
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:05.600
whether it is academic, anecdotal, a news article, a medical article,

1292
01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:09.159
and anything like related to this stuff I am so into.

1293
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.640
So that's kind of like my way of doing that

1294
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:13.520
for you too, Like, Hey, check this out. I think

1295
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.600
you might think it's interesting. But anyway, I really hope

1296
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.560
that you like this episode. I certainly enjoyed it. Thank

1297
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:19.720
you Jeff for writing this story, Thank you for listening

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01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:21.960
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so much. You all know I love hearing that you

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01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:06.159
just you're spoiling me by saying that that you have

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to like put it on pause and listen to it

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when the sun's out. That forms my cold, weirdo cryptid

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thank you to this episode's patron saints, and you are Liza, Rachel,

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I will talk to you all in the next one,

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and until then not des bye,