Oct. 1, 2025

Antumía - Water Spirits of the Emberá People

Antumía - Water Spirits of the Emberá People
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If it quacks like a duck...but it looks like a sloth? It's an Antumía! In this episode, Ayden takes a plunge into the mystical river monsters of Panama. From creation story to shaman familiar, the Antumía has been there for it all!



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A cool friends, it's me Adrian or Aiden. Either way,

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I am still your host and you are still listening

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to SOUSTO, the podcast of paranormal folklore from Latin American cultures.

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Welcome back, thank you for returning from the beyond, and

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if this is your first time, welcome to Sousto. We're

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so happy to have you here, y'all. A lot has

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been happening lately. I feel like this Eclipse season really

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put me through the wringer. It dragged me through the mud.

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But I'm on the other side. We are down a car,

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which means we don't have a car at this moment

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of recording, but hopefully this week we will be going

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to get a new one. Listen. Car troubles are so annoying.

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They're the worst. It is not fun at all. It's

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so expensive for whatever reason. And we had always I'm

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just gonna give you a really quick personal look into

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my life. But Jeff and I planned this was always

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the plan was to get a new car. However, the

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plan is happening a lot faster than we anticipated, so

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it's sooner than we wanted it to be. But this

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is what we wanted. Eclipse season was just like I'm

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gonna go ahead and rush that along for you. Don't

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you worry about it. I'm gonna make the decision for you. You

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have no choice but to go through with this, So

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thank you. I guess I don't know anyway. I hope

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your Eclipse season was not as rough as that, or

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if it was, I hope that you've made it to

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the other side with me as well. But you know what,

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I'm here and so are you, and that's all that matters.

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So thank you for being here. We're gonna go ahead

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and jump into quick updates for the show, so of

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course upcoming events. We have an addition, but a couple reminders.

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First off, we have Hollow Weird at the Ruise Branch

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of the Austin Public Library. This is a free, adult

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only event that's happening on October tenth from six to

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nine pm. I'm kicking off the event with a storytelling

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and a discussion at six pm, So if you're gonna

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get there, get there a couple of minutes early, just

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so we can settle in and get the night going

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because it's going to be a lot of fun. And

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then after the discussion and throughout the evening, you can

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put your horror knowledge to the test with the horror

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trivia that they're hosting that starts at seven fifteen, and

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then there's going to be spooky crafts throughout the night,

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so make sure you go to that one. Very excited

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for that. I've done several events with the Austin Public Library.

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Thank you all so much. By the way, please keep

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having me back. I have fun every time we go,

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so I wouldn't be coming back if I didn't. Right.

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The next event is the night Owl Spirit Social. This

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is a ticketed event and this is happening on a

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Halloween night, October thirty first, from five pm to midnight.

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It's going to be so much fun. Listen Halloween parties.

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They happen every year. We're actually moving hours so that

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I can do this event because I would not miss

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it for anything, that is how much fun it is.

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I'm dedicating my Halloween night to it. As I know

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are so many other people and you should be one

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of them. So I'm going to be speaking on a

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panel and the hour panel is called when the veil

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is thinnest. I also have a table that I will

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be at all night. So if you go to the event,

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please make sure to stop by say hi, let's take

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a selfie, let's just chat. I love meeting you all

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in person. It's so much fun. And aside from panels

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and the vendor market, there's also going to be a

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costume contest, There's going to be tattoo specials and more.

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When I went to the Spirit Social last year, I

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got this little tattoo right here, my little ghosty. You

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probably saw pictures of it on social media, but if

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you are a best goalfriend on Patreon, then you are

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seeing this in video right now. But regardless, there is

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so much to do at the Spirit Social. This is

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their second you're doing it. I'm so excited to be

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invited back. And if you want to get your tickets

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you can do so by visiting the night owlpodcast dot com.

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They will sell out. The VIP tickets I know for

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sure are sold out. There should be still the all

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Access pass which gets you access to the panels and

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the market, and then the right pass I think gets

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you access to the market but not the panels. So

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either way you will have a chance to see me

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and so many other cool people regardless of which pass

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you get, but you do not want to miss it,

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I promise you they will sell out. And a new

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addition to the lineup, we have the Strange and Extraordinary Fest.

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This one is happening on November twenty second at twelve pm.

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I will also have a table here and also speaking

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on a panel, and of course there will be a

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Spooky market. But if you cannot make it in person,

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do not worry. There is an option to stream the

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sessions and the panels online, so you can get your tickets,

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whether that is in person or online. To watch the

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again sessions and panels, you can get your tickets by

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visiting Strange and extraordinaryfest dot com. So far, that's it

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for events again. If you have an event that you

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would like me to be present at that you think, hey,

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Aiden Susto should be a part of this, feel free

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to tag me in comments, put me in contact with

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event organizers. If you are an event organizer, please feel

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free to reach out to me. I'm always looking and

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willing and excited to work with people, especially online events.

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But we're going to move on to the next ding

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on my list here, which is the book club. So

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this month's Susto spell book Club we are reading It

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came from the Closet Queer Reflections of Horror edited by

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Joe Velesse or Valise. Sorry Joe if I mispronounced that.

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I'm very excited to read this one. This one is

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another one that's been on I'm not going to lie. Listen.

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The Susto spell book Club is actually just a scheme.

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It's a scheme to get me to read through my

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TBR pile. It just so happens that other people have

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a lot of, if not the same titles on their

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own pile, so again, they're all going to be on

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my TBR pile. But this one, you know, I've seen

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it in the wild several times, and each time I

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look at it and I think, should I get this?

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Should I not? Maybe not? And then I just put

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it on my list, you know, I write it down

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and I say I will read this one day. Well

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October is that day. Again. For the month of October,

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we will be reading it. Came from The Closet Queer

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Reflections on Horror edited by Joe. One more time, I'm

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just gonna say, Joe V out of respect, I don't

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want to butcher that as all. The book club is

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free for anyone to join. However, Patreon subscribers do get

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to vote on what we read, and they have exclusive

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access to the book club's discord chat, so that's always

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fun to join in on. And before we get into

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today's episode, we are going to take a look at

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one last thing and that is a Spotify comment. This

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comment is from JT on The Demon's episode featuring one

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of my best girl friends, Alejandra Sanchez, and JT said,

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this is the validation and confirmation I needed to hear

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right now. Spiritual warfare is real. Thank you both for

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having this important platika. It's appreciated more than you know. JT.

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I'm so glad that you enjoyed that. Listen spiritual warfare,

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whether that is on a grand scale, whether it is

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from individual to individual or from spirit or entity to person,

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that's part of why we are all here, right we

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at all I think at some level, if we're listening

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to this, we sort of believe in that in some way,

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and it can manifest them any different way. So either way,

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I'm glad that that episode resonated with you. I'm going

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to put the link for that episode in the episode

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description below if you haven't heard it, or if you

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just want to give it a re listen. That is

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actually I think one episode that many people connected with

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so huge. Shout out to my bestdie Alejandra. If you

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haven't heard that episode again, link is in the description

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go check it out. Now that is all said and done,

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thank you for sitting through that. We're gonna go ahead

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and dive into this week's episode, which is about the anthumia.

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Our story begins not in the forest, but in a

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gray government office in Panama City. Doctor Esteban Morales, a

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corporate anthropologist, tapped away on his keyboard, zeroed in on

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his latest research. He studied people, but not solely to

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understand them better, but to know how to manipulate them

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for businesses. He was a man of pressed shirts, polished shoes,

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and a notebook, always ready to record what he could

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turn into a marketing tactic. Across from him sat his boss,

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a sharp eyed bureaucrat with the air of a man

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who had never once touched the soil of the country

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he ruled over. Isteban's boss clasped his hands together and

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leaned forward. Esteban. He said, the embedrak people cling to

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their rivers like a dog to its bone. We need

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those rivers for dams, for hydroelectric power, for the future

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of this country. But the Mbedra keep refusing our offers.

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They reject money, they reject further relocation. They insist the

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water is theirs. What we need is an understanding of

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who they really are, the kind of understanding that lets

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us pull them away from the water, convincing them it's

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what's best for them. He leaned forward. Find out why

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they refuse, find out what stories they tell themselves about

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the water, and then tell me how to break them

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away from it. Esteban adjusted his glasses, nodded gravely, and thought,

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this will be simple. Days later he arrived at the

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edge of the parka Nacional Chagras. The heat pressed down

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like a weighted blanket. Cicadas shrieked in the trees, and

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ahead of him through the canopy lay a newly built

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in Berah village. Wooden houses sat on stills, floating above

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the soil, Smoke curling gently from cook fires, children splashing

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in the shallows of the river. To Esteban, it was

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a curiosity. To the Embira, it was a testament to

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their survival. They had already lost so much of their

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land and been pushed to this new place in the

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Chagita's River watershed. They didn't know if they could be

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pushed from another home. The people greeted him politely, though

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with caution, and then the man he had been told

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about emerged, the Haibanah, the spiritual leader of the community.

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His name was Rito. His hair was streaked with gray,

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his chest painted with hagua designs that shielded his skin,

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twisting around limbs like the rivers themselves. He spoke in

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careful Spanish, his voice low and steady. You are welcome here, doctor.

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Our people always offer hospitality, no matter what land we

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have been driven to, far from our original homeland. We

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have always been welcoming of those who come in peace.

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But I must ask why have you come. Although we

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open our arms to visitors, we are wary. A step

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On smiled, bowed his head respectfully, and lied. I came

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only to learn to observe your traditions, to share with

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the world the beauty of your culture. Rito studied him

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for a long moment, then nodded once. Then listen carefully.

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The Haibana said. For the Emberra, water is not just water,

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It is life. It is the root of everything. We

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believe the world began with a giant tree. When that

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tree fell, its vines spread across the earth, and from

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them poured rivers. The waterfalls, he gestured toward the sound

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of the rushing water upriver, are where this world and

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the next touch, where the veil is thin, where spirits

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move between, Esteban wrote furiously in his note book Mythology

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Primitive Belief System Obstacles to progress. Out loud, he said, fascinating,

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I would like to learn more about your relationship with

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water Edito's eyes darkened. Some knowledge is not for outsiders.

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Some ceremonies are dangerous if done incorrectly or without respect.

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The air between them thickened. Esteban pushed further. Please let

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me tell the world about how important was is to you,

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so that they can understand your culture, so that maybe

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they will give it the respect it deserves. The Hibanah

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stared back grimly. There are spirits in the waters, spirits

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that are dangerous to humans and can only be contained

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by a Habanah who knows how to tame them. Your

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misguided curiosity with water will summon an anthumia, an evil

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spirit from the other side of the veil. A StEB

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Un stared back and held back a laugh. I'm not

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afraid of spirits. I want to know these stories so

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that we can tell them to everyone. In the back

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of his mind, he thought about how he could use

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this fear of spirits against the Embedap people to scare

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them away from their land. This could be exactly what

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his boss was wanting. The Hibanah only stared back his

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once polite smile, turning gruff. At last, the Hybanah said,

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you may eat with us, you may sleep tonight, but

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in the morning you must leave. That night, a Steban

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sat by the fire, listening to stories sung by the elders,

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songs about jaguars, about the spirits of the forest, about

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the rivers that fed the land. He nodded and smiled, politely,

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pretending reverence, while in his mind he imagined his report

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and how pleased his boss would be. But when the

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fire burned low, he saw Ritho rise quietly and slip

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away into the darkness, heading toward the river. Naturally, a

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Steban followed. The path curled through the forest, its roots

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grabbing at the toes of Aesteban's boots, Shadows shifting in

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the moonlight. The hum of insects that had filled the

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air at dinner grew quieter, as though the jungle itself

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was holding its breath. He followed the sound of rushing

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water until he reached a clearing. There, under the silver

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light of the moon stood a narrow waterfall. It was

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not tall nor grand, but alive, with an ethereal shimmer.

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Mist clung to the rocks, and the air was so

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cool it prickled against his skin. On the river bank erithonelt,

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his body bent forward, his painted hands raised in prayer,

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his lips moved in low chants, his words weaving with

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the sound of the falling water. And then something shifted.

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The night halted. No frogs, no crickets, not even the

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rustle of leaves in the wind. The surface of the

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pool below the falls rippled, though no stone had been thrown.

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A StEB On couldn't believe it, but the water parted,

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and from behind the misty white veil of the waterfall

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a shape emerged. At first, a Steban thought it might

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be a person, tall, slender hair, black as riverweed, hanging

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down in heavy strands. But then he saw the face.

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It was not human. Its eyes glowed faintly, reflecting the moon,

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like an animal in the dark. Its skin was too pale,

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stretched too tight, and from its mouth came a sound,

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a low, guttural quack, like a duck, but twisted deep

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and sinister. The antumia. The creature, stepped slowly onto the

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river bank, water streaming from its body in sheets. It

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tilted its head, watching Aritho with something like inquisitiveness. The

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Hibana did not flinch. He held his palms upward, whispering

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words so soft that a Stebon could not catch them.

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The Anthumia leaned closer, its mouth opening, rows of teeth

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flashing like wet stone. It lowered its face to Edito's hand,

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as if about to bite a Steban. Breathless with awe,

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stepped closer to sea, and in doing so, his boot

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slid into the river, just the slightest touch of water,

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but that was enough. The antumia froze, its head snapped around,

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and its eyes locked on a Steban. The sound it

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made this time was no low quack. It was a screech,

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high and piercing, rattling through his bones. The thing plunged

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back into the river and in an instant. It was

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racing toward him, its movement impossibly fast. A dark shadow,

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pulled by a current. Adito's voice thundered across the water.

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No fool, I warned you. I haven't finished the ceremony.

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But it was too late. The antumilla surged from the water,

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its dripping claws latching around a Steban's legs. The strength

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was unreal. He was yanked from the bank, thrown into

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the coal. He screamed, thrashing, grasping for air. The river

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swallowed every cry. The current pulled him toward the falls.

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Edito's voice was still shouting, desperate and furious. You are doomed.

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Your presence sum into the antumia and there is no escape.

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Now I can no longer control it. Try to make

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peace with the water before you are taken to the

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other side. Let it cleanse your soul. A Steban couldn't think,

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He couldn't hear the pleas Eritho shouted at him. He

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clawed at the water, but the antumilla's grip was unbreakable.

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The roar of the waterfall grew louder, closer, until the

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world was nothing but the sound of water rushing, until

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Finally he was pulled through. On the other side, there

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was no river, no light, no sound of the forest,

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only darkness, endless and suffocating. All he heard was screaming,

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not from his own throat, but surrounding him countless agonized

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voices that had been dragged there before him, And all

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he could feel was emptiness, the weight of eternity pressing down.

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That is where the fool who wouldn't listen to the

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wisdom of a Haibana, doctor Esteban Morales, remains forevermore. Welcome back, well, friends,

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thank you so much for listening to that story. I

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hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed putting

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it together. The first source that we're going to jump

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into here and a reminder, as always, all the direct

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links to these sources will be on Patreon in the

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SUSA Google Docs page for this But the first one

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again is from a website called Pueblos orihinarios dot com

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and the entry on this page is called Antumia Madre

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del agua or mother of water, So that is one

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of the things that they call the anthumia. It's known

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as either the Madre de Aua, but the anthemia can

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present itself in masculine or feminine forms, or even in

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child forms. But this is a really short entry just

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giving an overview. And again a lot of these sources

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are translated from Spanish to English, so if it sounds

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a little off, the translation was a bit off either way.

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This says the anthumia is closely associated with water. They

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can be either again feminine or masculine. They are an

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evil high or an essence or spirit that emerges from

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the water and carries off men to drown and slash

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or eat them. So this could be I don't know

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if it's specific to just men or I think it's

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or what it says. Even in Spanish it says he

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said yeva loos ombris, So again this is specific to men.

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But I want to speak specifically about this word. So

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it said they are an evil high. It's jai and

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there are different variations of this word, and we're going

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to go a bit more into depth about what that is.

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But here it just says in parentheses next to it

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essence or spirit. So you could think of a high

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as just a general general kind of ghost. Maybe that's

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kind of what they're attributing as a spirit. Or ghost

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or something. This continues they never eat shamans, which is

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the hibana. So that is a word from this community

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in the Embedra people. And you might remember, I feel

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like I'm jumping all over the place, but these these

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pieces will connect. Their promise you. The Embedra are people

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that are mentioned in the een Gap episode, so this

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is in Panama. And again the Mbra they were said

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to live in certain parts either through the Darien Gap

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or the een Gap or towards like the exits or

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the entrances of them. They live kind of in that area.

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And so this the idea of them came up, and

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then the idea of this one creature also came up

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in that's in the research for that story. But this

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continues that they the Antumia, they do not eat the

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shamans or the hibanas. They actually work with them. And

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this says that under the command of a hibana or

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a shaman, they may carry out evil deeds or quote

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evil deeds. But in this part of this entry it

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says under their command they eat only the fingertips, noses, earlobes,

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and lips. So when and if the Antumia attack people

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or if they're sent to attack. They'll eat random body parts,

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which is very strange. It's specifically these like they don't

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eat the whole person, just they restrain themselves. They're watching

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their figures. They don't want to eat the whole person,

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just like the little pieces. Right. It says it lives underwater.

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The anthomia lives underwater only seen by the Hibanah. Again,

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only the shamans can see them, and its voice can

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sometimes be heard at night, sounding similar to a duck's quack.

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It's presumed proximity causes panic among people. They are often

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the hibanas guardians and will leave the river to protect

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it or if the Hibanah orders them to harm some

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So again, these are river dwelling creatures, monsters, entities, whatever

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you want to call them. They're river dwelling and the

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only time they leave is when they are protecting the river,

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the wildlife, or when the shaman de gaibana orders them

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to leave it for whatever bidding they need done. Right.

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I think what is a little amusing about this is

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what if you just hear a duck out in the

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wild at night. I like it would be scary because

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you think of like other animal noises that people hear

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at night, right, So like you think of the bobcat, right,

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and it's scream or it's shrieked, sounds like a woman screaming.

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So there are areas of Mexico that they say that

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LRNA is out there. They heard LRNA, but it's just

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this animal. It's shrieks sound like a woman's screaming. But

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that does sound I think that sounds creepy. Hearing a

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duck's quack doesn't to me sounds scary. But it's kind

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of funny to think of a group of people. Let's

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say that you know, up at night out in the

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wild and they hear a duck duck quacking and then

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they all freak out. I don't know, ducks are cute

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to me, so it's just it's kind of funny to

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me to make that connection. But either way, this says

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that its appearance can be that of a large snake,

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a wild boar, or a hairy black man with this

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lothful face is what this says. There is a drawing here,

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and I'll put this in the post for the episode

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of like a depiction of an anthumia. But this idea

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of the serpent does come up later. I think in

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relation to the high or the the he. Again, there's

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variations of the spelling. We're going to talk about that.

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The next source that we have this is actually from

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a dissertation and the title of this dissertation is transformations

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of Eternity of Man and Cosmos in embeda Thought. And

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this was written I think in it says in nineteen

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ninety three. Yeah, in nineteen ninety three at the University

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of Gotborg, which is I think it was somewhere in Europe.

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But anyway, written by A ven Eric Isaacson. If you

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all go to this and again you can just search.

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This is available online. So if you just search Transformations

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of Eternity by saven Eric with Justic Kay Isaacson, this

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should come up. It is a like four hundred page dissertation.

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But the direct linked again is in the SUSO Google doc.

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If you go to page fifty nine, there's this section

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titled Reptiles and Riverine Monsters. And I want to read

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through this with you all. It's a bit lengthy, but

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I think it's all very interesting. So this says the

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native conception of the river as a transformable being which

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through its multiple manifestations and variable guises, threatens or exerts

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an ominous influence on the lives and actions of human

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beings in its vicinity is vividly described in myth. So essentially,

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what all of that said, or my interpretation of what

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that said, is that the way that the people in

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this area perceive the river, it impacts how they live

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their lives because of the myth or the folklore surrounding it. Right,

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then that's a very i think watered down, very simple,

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basic interpretation of what that said. This continues. A variety

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of beings, either friendly or fatal to man, reside in

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the river, and the shaman is the only one who

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can cope with them through his knowledge and ability to

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communicate with the spirit world. So again this is talking

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about the hibana. Again. The shamans are the only ones

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who are said who can see these creatures and work

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with them. This continues in any Choco river. The fishermen

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or the canoeist promptly points out the dangerous spots in

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the river, which by tradition should be avoided when fishing

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or bathing or all together. During the critical hours of

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the day and night, and during transitional periods of the

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life cycle when humans are exposed to the anger of

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the water beings. So there are spots in these rivers

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where people know, stay away from that, don't go there.

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That is where trouble is. This continues. The myths relate

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the fate of humans of the past, of ancestors who

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were subjected to the wrath of the river as a

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consequence of their inappropriate behavior or the disobedience of given rules.

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So it's also what I'm picking it from this is

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that these creatures are sent to punish. They are tools

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of like discipline, right. This continues. The myths graphically describe

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the metamorphosis of the river into a huge mouth devours

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humans into the underworld of the river. But the myths

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also tell about the benign inhabitants of below who assist

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the humans and guide them along the waterways that connect

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our world with theirs. So there are also, like it

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says here, benign entities that help the humans out. And

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I feel like that is always the case in every

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episode that we have of some sort of nature creature.

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They're like, I'm going to I'm gonna say fae just

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to connect it, because I feel like that's also really

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widely known. But any sort of like nature dwelling, whether

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it's forest, water, what have you. They they they help

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as much as they harm, or it just depends not

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maybe not as much, but they can help and they

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can harm. There's always there's always that kind of like duality,

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I guess, and this continues. The visible river from which

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people can earn their livelihoods and near which they make

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their abodes is for the embedda ocular evidence of the

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00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.559
once established and still unbroken contract with the aquatic underworld.

465
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.720
Fishermen or playing children on the beach run the risk

466
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.960
of being spirited away by the ever present water monsters

467
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.200
of the world below, as witnessed by the myths. So

468
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:10.559
that just establishes that there is a paranormal connection to

469
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.759
the water with the Embeda people, that there are myths

470
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.680
and legends and creatures that surround these bodies of water.

471
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.880
And typically in our research, when we're looking up the

472
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.599
Embeda people, they typically live in the structures that are

473
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.039
on stilts near the rivers. And I'm assuming that's in

474
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.640
case it rains and if the river rises or it floods,

475
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.279
then their houses aren't stilts because it's had like between

476
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.720
six to ten feet off of the ground. So it's

477
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.920
interesting that there's all these myths and there's this i

478
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.559
mean danger associated with these bodies of water. But that's

479
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.359
just how they live, because again, like water is also life,

480
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.119
and it's integral to their lives and how they live.

481
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.640
But anyway, this continues. The rivery and underworld is not

482
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.279
only the abode of the human like beings and mythic

483
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.400
relatives of the embedda of this world. Among the numerous

484
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.440
mythical monsters and beasts that haunt man from the imaginary

485
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.039
world in the depths of the rivers, three main categories

486
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.079
of beings stand out. The most important of these and

487
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.359
one of the most dreaded is the antomia. And there's

488
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.599
different spellings of the word. So the one that we're

489
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.640
using for the title the episode is Anthomia, which is

490
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:20.279
with the u anthumia, and then in this dissertation it's antomia.

491
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:24.319
It's antomia, and actually, to be more accurate, it's actually

492
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:28.519
antomia antomia antomia. The accent is on the a here

493
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.640
and the accent is on the eye on the version

494
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.279
that we use. But this says that it's generally described

495
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.759
as master or mother of the water. Again, Madre de Lawa,

496
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.759
either with male or female attributes, but sometimes appearing as

497
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.039
a pair, so they're coupled up. Sometimes interesting. It says.

498
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:49.640
Antomia usually has anthropomorphic features, often appears as a child,

499
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.400
but its face and abundant hair are said to resemble

500
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.960
those of the sloth, especially when it is seen streaming

501
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.799
through the water. So there's now this idea that this

502
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:06.839
creature can appear in several formats, I'll say, or several versions.

503
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.039
It'll manifest in different ways, but this sloth kind of

504
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.440
face is pretty consistent. It says. It is the principal

505
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.960
assistant of the shaman, but can at the same time

506
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.640
be his deadly enemy if directed by another hostile shaman.

507
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:25.200
So shamans can work with anthumias, and they can direct

508
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.880
the anthumia to attack another shaman or anybody else for

509
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.839
that matter. But if another shaman is hostile or pissed

510
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:33.759
off for whatever reason that somebody else they can just

511
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.799
sick it on them. Essentially, this continues. Any person who

512
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.000
dares to remain on the beach of the river when

513
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.119
the shaman is communicating with the anthomia runs the risk

514
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.759
of being devoured as the master rises through its cosmic

515
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.200
aquatic opening. So that is Essentially, what the story that

516
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.279
we put together is about is that this person intruding

517
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.359
on that communication, on that whatever is happening between the

518
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.720
shaman and the anthomia or the hibana and the antomia.

519
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:06.119
When someone interrupts that, it's grounds for being devoured, basically,

520
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.799
And this says there is a great variety of antomillas,

521
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.039
and their own master is said to be an underwater

522
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.359
being called do Hura. So now there is sort of

523
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.799
this maybe not class, but this hierarchy system of these things.

524
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.880
So there's the antomillas, which are these again sloth faced

525
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.759
creatures that can work with or for haivanas or shamans.

526
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.640
But there is a master of the antomias called the

527
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.119
do hurah At, which we did not get into in

528
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.920
this story. We're just talking about one specific anthomia, right,

529
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.240
And this says. The myth about Ventura's travels to the underworld,

530
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.799
recorded by Brado and Baldo, opens with an episode in

531
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.799
which Ventura, who has insulted the vindictive Cosasa, is dragged

532
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.759
into the river by the antomia of Cosasa, but in

533
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.640
a furious underwater battle, the hero is rescued by the

534
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.319
antomia of another more powerful shaman. So this seems like this,

535
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.359
The Adventures of Ventura are in I'm thinking this is

536
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.559
a book called baud O. This is so strange. When

537
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.559
I look this up Baodo Baldo, nineteen eighty four, I'm

538
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.200
not getting anything. I'm getting like random results on Google

539
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.440
that don't have anything to do with this. So hey,

540
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:15.200
I want to look into that more for you, but

541
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.559
I am not finding anything. So if anybody out there

542
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.079
knows anything about that, please let me know, because that's

543
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.160
so strange that nothing is coming up anyway. But it's

544
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.359
a story about this character who has a battle with

545
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.839
an anthomia, but he's saved by a different one. So

546
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.559
again it comes down to the individual that is working

547
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.480
with or is in control of the antomia to decide

548
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.079
whether they're going to do harm or help right, this

549
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.240
says Antomia is said to live in the depths of

550
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:43.559
the rivers, particularly in spots characterized by abysmal mud or quicksand,

551
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.799
and its house is to be found where a strong

552
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.599
current has hollowed out deep holes in the river bed.

553
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.799
Such a characteristic place is described from among the embida

554
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.599
of the Upper Sinu River basin. And this person goes

555
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.640
on to just describe how an Antomia's home, so to speak,

556
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.720
is formed in the river beds. It's just kind of

557
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.079
hollowed out whole with mud, and it looks like there's

558
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.440
no bottom to it. And this continues as well. A

559
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.920
historical reference stressing the awe that the Embeddah hold for

560
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.599
Antomia is found in a letter from eighteen oh eight

561
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.759
addressed to the Spanish colonial authorities, in which the native

562
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.359
leaders of the village of Guidebo express their respect for Antumia, quote,

563
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.480
whom we fear so much that it would be impossible

564
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.920
for us to express it. Another kind of ominous aquatic

565
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.359
beast is referred to as Nusi or Nunsi, which is

566
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.400
usually described as a gigantic fish that lives in deep

567
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.519
caves and the rivers from which it threatens to devour bathers.

568
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.039
So we're moving on from the Antomia. I wanted to

569
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.720
do this because it's interesting that, again, there's so many

570
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.000
myths that surround the waterways or the river, specifically with

571
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:48.240
the Imbada people, so I thought it would be interesting

572
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:49.799
to cover them. And I think this is what we're

573
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.680
going to reference that high creature that we talked about earlier.

574
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.960
But this says the nusi, right, it says the monster

575
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.599
shows itself by night with its eyes burning like fires.

576
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.839
According to the Embeddra of northwestern Antokia, the soul of

577
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.440
a dead shaman or a dead haibana one and the

578
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.720
same changes into a nusi animal. The Embeddra of the

579
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.240
Upper Baldo also mention a kind of nusi they call

580
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.920
doi mama or water jaguar. Again, these names, they can

581
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.160
have different meanings even within the same community. So some

582
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.480
of them say that the nusi is the soul or

583
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.920
what a shaman transitions to when they pass away or

584
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.920
when they die. It can also be depending on which,

585
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.680
again region, it could be that a specific type of

586
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.359
nusi can be this water jaguar or a doi mama,

587
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.799
which is something different that's not a person, right, I

588
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.960
don't know. But again, these names they have, they're they're

589
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.440
lending themselves a different meanings. Okay, I'm gonna skip over

590
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.880
a bit to get to this third one. This says

591
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.160
the third category of monstrous beings that rule the Riverine

592
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.359
underworld is usually referred to as in local Spanish and

593
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.000
as heh by the embira, which is je and I'm

594
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.119
assuming it is the same thing as the Jai the high,

595
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.800
but this is heh high. Hey. I mean they seen

596
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.360
close enough in spelling that they could be the same thing.

597
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.320
And that's what I'm assuming. But again I could be incorrect,

598
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.800
but this says while the related term HPA refers to

599
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.880
the Boa constrictor of the choco Ophidian fauna, the mythological

600
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.880
hit is usually described as a giant snake that roams

601
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.079
the aquatic underworld. I feel like I'm saying that aquatic

602
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:38.880
is aquatic, aquatic aquatic, I'm quacking. I'm an anthomia. It's aquatic, right, Okay? Anyway,

603
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:42.079
the mythological Hea is usually described as a giant snake

604
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.599
that roams the aquatic underworld, always startning to emerge from

605
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.159
the water to snatch humans and devour them, taking them

606
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:54.039
to the subterranean realm. As mentioned earlier, the anthumia can

607
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.760
present itself as a snake or a water serpent. Again,

608
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.079
there's this connection between antumia and he where Antononia can

609
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.920
manifest as you know, many different things, but including a snake.

610
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.000
There is also specifically a chah. So I'm like, is

611
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.000
it that like square rectangle thing? Like all rectangles are squares,

612
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.639
but not all squares are rectangles. Is like all anthumias

613
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.320
are his are also his, but not all his are anthumias.

614
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.360
And if you follow to that, please please let me know,

615
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.559
because I know that made sense. This is the one

616
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.719
time I'm sure about it. Watch it, watch it not be,

617
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.400
watch it be I'm wrong. But anyway, so the hey,

618
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.039
is this sea or this river serpent that can drown

619
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.599
people and take them. This is subterranean realm. When I

620
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.719
hear that word realm, I think of another dimension, another

621
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.960
side of the veil, like not this reality. Right, I'm

622
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.320
not sure this continues. The MBDA of Northwestern Antokia say

623
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.880
that the giant hit is able to locate its victims

624
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.960
ten kilometers away from deep in the river head gives

625
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.920
rise to whirlpools which drag people as well as canoes

626
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.559
down into its big mouth. So this could be the

627
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.360
I guess, like the quote explanation for what this creature

628
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.840
actually is. And I was thinking that earlier because it

629
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:11.679
talks about how the antomia can like open its mouth

630
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.840
big or it opens like a waterway to swallow people

631
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.280
to bring them in, but only the shamans can see them.

632
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.960
So if humans see someone dragged into the water, and

633
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.360
they don't see anything else. They just see the water moving.

634
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.480
I I was thinking, what if it's just whirlpools? And

635
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.880
this is what they're using to explain that. Right, but

636
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.719
this continues is intimately associated with water and water supply,

637
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:37.079
and the myths testify to its inherent nature as identical

638
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.480
with water itself. Okay, you'll are gonna have to follow

639
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.360
me here because I read this earlier and this is

640
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.079
very square, right tangle red tangle square, but not really,

641
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.639
it's just okay, here, check this out. It says the

642
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.320
heir snake makes the river grow and flow over. In

643
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.440
a mythological account taken down by Bento in nineteen seventy

644
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.079
eight among the Chami, a small striped worm is said

645
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.000
to be placed in a small gourd where grows rapidly

646
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.639
at the same time as the gourd is filled with water. Finally,

647
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.239
the worm is transformed into an enormous heh in a

648
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.480
huge lake another myth. Okay, so before we move on,

649
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.800
some people will think that if it's a heh this worm,

650
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.559
if you put it in water, the worm will grow

651
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.760
to the size of the body of water that it's in,

652
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.800
or too like an appropriate size to fill up, you know,

653
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.639
a big space, and then this continues. Another myth, also

654
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.360
recorded by Pinto in nineteen seventy eight, tells about Suranave,

655
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.079
which devours everyone who comes near it. At last, four

656
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.199
twins kill the monster with their lances and it vanishes.

657
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.320
Upon the spot of its death and disappearance, a huge

658
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.360
lake is formed. So it's saying, when they kill this thing,

659
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.880
this Hey, if it's big and they slay it, it

660
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.480
turns into a big body of water because it's that big.

661
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:48.880
But if it was a small one and they killed it,

662
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.519
it'd be just like a tiny poddle. I'm assuming right anyway,

663
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:55.159
This says Vascol, who characterizes Hey as the master of

664
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.519
the water, also calls attention to this obvious connection between

665
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.880
Hey and the making and the existence of water. However,

666
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.360
the water might also disappear when the head being associated

667
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.360
with it in myth is destroyed through the magic action

668
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.159
of the shaman. So if it's destroyed spiritually, so if

669
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.800
it's not physically killed, but if it's spiritually, like we'll

670
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.920
use the word exercised from the land or from this place,

671
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.199
then there's nothing left. There's not even water left. The

672
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.960
water is gone so if you put the worm into

673
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.079
follow me here, If you put a worm that is

674
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.480
actually a heh into a small river, it becomes the

675
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.639
giant river. If it's killed physically, it turns back into

676
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.159
the river. If it's dealt with by a shaman, if

677
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.000
it's killed spiritually or exercised again, that's the word I'm

678
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.440
using here, then there is no water anymore. It's just

679
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.960
gone anyway. Let me if you followed that, I think

680
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.079
it's a very interesting take of how this thing is

681
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.000
like the states of being, that it can exist or

682
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.360
not exist when it's killed anyway, this says. Norden's Gold

683
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.559
reproduces an account of the drained lagoon at the Do

684
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.760
Gambado River, which once had been filled with water, and

685
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.079
the abode of a giant snake he Now this is

686
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.280
spelled with h e until the snake was expelled to

687
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.440
the underworld by a shaman, upon which the lagoon was emptied.

688
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.679
This is written by Wassin in nineteen thirty three. And

689
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.079
then this says. In most variants of the myth of

690
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.360
Heru Botawara, the underworld water monster is described as a

691
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.280
giant heh snake Heru Botawara, which is a character in

692
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.440
another story blows his magic flute to make he appear

693
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:30.239
in the river. The dramatic encounter with the zoomorphic water

694
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.000
is vividly narrated in a version recorded by Cain. Among

695
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.760
the Embda and Banama quote the water was threatening, they say,

696
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.280
the river was rising. When that to the top, they say,

697
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.519
the he comes leaving, comes leaving with eyes too big,

698
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.960
comes to the top. When in that they say he

699
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.760
took him. Below they say, no one was left. It

700
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.719
took him. They say the water remained smooth. And that's

701
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.719
an excerpt from that story. And then I'm going to

702
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.800
skip ahead to the end of this entry. And this

703
00:39:56.840 --> 00:40:00.880
says the mythological monsters which roam the riverine world, despite

704
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.840
their common habitat and generally aggressive attitude towards humans, are

705
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.840
essentially different in nature from each other, apart from the

706
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.239
obvious medley of appearances and physical peculiarities that distinguish one

707
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.039
from the other. Judging from mythical accounts, there is one

708
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.480
main faculty that distinguishes the heh snake monster from the

709
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.639
beastly rest. The he intimately connected to the water itself,

710
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.920
which is associated with the riverine nature and aquatic configuration.

711
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:29.480
As a living being, HEH not only lives in the

712
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.039
water of the river, but it has the faculty to

713
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.400
control and even make water. What is more, he is

714
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.639
able to metamorphosee itself into plain water and correspondingly to

715
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.119
make the river assume a snake like nature and body

716
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.119
as well. In the mythological state of things, the streaming

717
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.679
water of the meandering river changes into a wriggling giant snake,

718
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.960
and the turbulent water becomes its wide open mouth, ready

719
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.559
to swallow humans standing on the edge of the river mouth.

720
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.119
After which quote the water remains smooth, as if nothing happened.

721
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.320
Right this finishes, the river becomes head because he is

722
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.280
the river, the same river which once emanated from the

723
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.360
orfidian roots of the cut hennane tree, and the same

724
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.159
river that man reproduces in his face. So there is

725
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:18.960
a large, very very very big system of myth and

726
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.400
folklore that these people will talk about, or that the

727
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.760
Embeda people talk about, and it's essentially like part of

728
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.960
their creation stories. So what this ended with the henaneh

729
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.320
and I think we're going to talk about that in

730
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:33.559
an upcoming source. That is basically like their creation story.

731
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.880
It is the tree of life or that idea or

732
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.760
that concept of the tree of life where essentially, and

733
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.519
I'm probably gonna go over this again, but there was

734
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.679
this giant tree that was cut down and when it fell.

735
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.519
I think this came up earlier too, the vines that

736
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:50.400
spread across the earth. Those vines turned into water and

737
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:55.360
became rivers. So the idea of water being mythical and mystical,

738
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.920
it goes all the way back to their creation stories.

739
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.039
And it truly is everything, like it's connected to everything

740
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.320
because everything is connected to it, and in some cases

741
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.280
some things are it like the heh and I went

742
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.559
so heavy on the hay. I really enjoyed using this

743
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.639
source because again I think it's one of those things

744
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.599
where the antumia can be a hh, but not every

745
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:31.480
hit is an antia. Okay, we're going to move on

746
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.880
to the next source. This is another I'm not sure

747
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.440
if this is a dissertation or thesis, but this was

748
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.039
another academic source. If you look up Embido Mythology main Myths,

749
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.320
Features and Functions pdf, one of the sources is from

750
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:50.079
Revista Bioetnia and it's Bioetnia dot ii, ap dot org

751
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.480
dot co O I believe, and this is an article,

752
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.199
but anyway, I took an excerpt from this article that

753
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.440
I wanted to share with you, and it taught and

754
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.280
it talks about a lot of the creatures that we

755
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.440
mentioned earlier or just now. And this says quote. The

756
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.800
most well known and vibrant myths and legends include the

757
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.800
origin of humanity, the tells of Hunupotowara, the stories of

758
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.199
Heh or Hippa, the giant serpent, the adventures of Ventura,

759
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.519
a cultural hero from the Upper Beldo for some communities,

760
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.360
and hundreds of stories featuring the mysterious beings of the

761
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.320
Yamba's world. Yamba's world. I tried looking up that word,

762
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:25.880
and that was another one where I kept hitting a

763
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.119
dead end. So if anybody finds anything about that, please

764
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.239
send it my way. It's y A m b e

765
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.280
r As. But I'm assuming it's because it's saying mysterious

766
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.760
beings of the Yambdra's world. Yambras maybe has to do

767
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.239
something with like mystical, like it's like an overarching kind

768
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.480
of like a generic term. Anyway, this mentions nusi, which

769
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.199
we know now is what a shaman transitions to when

770
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.480
they pass away or what they can turn into. And

771
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.760
then this continues Adibada Guangano mothers of water or mad

772
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.840
Awa or Antumiya and HAIs goachiuas among the main ones.

773
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.599
So those are all different names for all these different

774
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.760
stories or beings from from these stories from Embeeda mythology,

775
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.800
and then this continues. These are governed by Antomia or Antumia,

776
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.079
who is said to live with Antumia uera a being

777
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.679
even more powerful than him. So this right here, I

778
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.679
think what it's saying is that all of these creatures

779
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.960
fall under the umbrella of Antumia, which is why I'm

780
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.599
thinking when I was saying earlier, and Antomia can be

781
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.400
Ahaz because he again, like we mentioned just now too,

782
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.519
it falls under that umbrella. But in Anthumia is a

783
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.599
general term. And this also reminds me. This idea of

784
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.360
a general term or a general like entity that works

785
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.800
or the Shamans can work with it reminds me, correct

786
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.320
me if I'm mom. But the Wekufe episode and I'll

787
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.559
put a link for that one in the description below

788
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.119
as well. But when we talked about the weak Gufez,

789
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.280
they were said to be like a general kind of

790
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.840
term that shamans or people who practiced I'm going to

791
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.639
use the very general and probably inaccurate term witchcraft or

792
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:03.480
even hia that they can work with the wikwufez, but

793
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.559
it's a general term for an evil entity or a

794
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.440
dark entity. But anyway, this continues. With the influence of Christianity,

795
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.559
Antomia has been cast as the devil or lord of evil. However,

796
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.199
in ancestral legends, Antomia is neither good nor evil. He

797
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.239
simply presides over both The kaibana or the shaman must

798
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.360
ally with him to gain hist for their healing and

799
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.119
magical work. If he were truly evil, he wouldn't grant

800
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.880
them power to heal. It is humans who choose between

801
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.239
good and evil, not Antomia, which I think is one

802
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.159
of the tenets of sustal Right. One of the beliefs

803
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.000
of Susto is that there's not there's hardly ever really

804
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.719
like evil out there that just exists as evil. There

805
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.480
are maybe, I think, forces that can be used for evil,

806
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.320
and it comes down to an individual person or to

807
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.639
who are an individual who is taking control of of

808
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.480
of certain things and what they use it for. Right,

809
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.960
But also I do think that there are maybe just

810
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:03.000
kind of evil sin entities out there. Anyway, This starts

811
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.199
to wrap up and it says, among the embira of

812
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:09.440
the Sinou River, Antomia appears to people as a gentle child,

813
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.719
man or woman sitting in the water playing with the fish,

814
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.159
a figure worlds apart from the red skinned, horned tailed,

815
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.239
and cloven hoofed being of Christian tradition. And so this

816
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.199
is really driving in that fact that, like with many

817
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.559
of the things that we talk about on here, with

818
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.480
the introduction of Christianity and Catholicism and colonialism, all of

819
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.119
a sudden, all these things that these people believed, Oh no,

820
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.960
that's the devil, no as the us like suddenly it's

821
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.840
it's evil, and it's only evil because it's not the

822
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.679
Christian Jesus or the Christian God. Right. And then this

823
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.599
finishes up here it says, in fact, for the elders,

824
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.519
Antomia is the spirit of the river, which again there

825
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.880
is this really strong connection to the river and to water.

826
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.519
The next source that we have here, this is from

827
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.800
this is my earth dot org and it says carving

828
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.599
the river from the tree, and this talks about the

829
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:05.519
creation story and also the idea of the relocation or

830
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.400
the displacement if you would, of the Imbedap people. And

831
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.360
this is an entry called carving the river from the tree,

832
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.199
and this says one day the god Gottavi decided that

833
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.320
he wanted to find water so that he and his

834
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.920
family could wash and drink. The water was hidden in

835
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.840
a rock by a woman named Guanga, and she refused

836
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.679
to give Gottavi the water. He tricked her and learned

837
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:28.119
to make the key she used to extract the water

838
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.119
from the rock. He then turned her into an ant. However,

839
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.880
before being transformed, Guanga had swallowed the entire river and

840
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.599
so the water was no more. Yet Ghdavid did not

841
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.599
give up. He recruited his family, the monkey, the squirrel,

842
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.159
the otter and the fox, and they all worked together

843
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.159
to get water out of the ancient tree Henneneh. Before

844
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.760
felling the tree or before cutting it down, they all

845
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.400
climbed on a raft so as they would not drown

846
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.480
when the water flooded the forest, and after fifteen days

847
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.760
on the raft, they finally arrived on dry land. Ever since,

848
00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:59.840
the river is the forest and the animals had been

849
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.840
living in harmony. Gottavi is the god of the Embedda

850
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.360
Chami people, a Riverine hunter gatherer group who reside in

851
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.960
Panama and Colombia. Traditionally, many indigenous groups do not believe

852
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.199
that land can be owned, and so they are taken

853
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.400
aback when they find their home invaded by outsiders with

854
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.280
machines used to cut down the forest. So I don't

855
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.000
want to glaze over that story. So essentially again they

856
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.519
there was a quest for water, and there was water

857
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.039
in this tree, and so the tree was felled, or

858
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.079
whenever I hear the word felled, I think it was

859
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.320
cut down. It was taken down right, and when it fell,

860
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.719
the vines that hit the ground, that's what became the water,

861
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.880
and it flooded the earth. And so they had to spend,

862
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.840
of course, it says here the fifteen days on the

863
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.679
raft until there was finally dry land available. So I

864
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.840
just wanted to make sure that we all got the

865
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.519
creation story for the water. This continues about the land

866
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.480
and how the Embedda people view land, it says, and

867
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.280
so despite the great efforts of their god to ensure

868
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.519
access to the rivers in the forest, they must once

869
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.519
again fight to find a home alongside the monkey, the squirrel,

870
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.119
the otter, and the fox. Quote it is a game

871
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.079
of musical chairs, says Drea Burbank, co founder of the

872
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.199
b Core Savimbo, which seeks to help the Mbada Chami.

873
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.159
They keep getting displaced due to economic colonialism. Companies keep

874
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.039
purchasing their land and they are unaware until one morning

875
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.679
someone appears and begins chopping trees. Currently, some members of

876
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.800
the Mbada Chami, a very traditional Deep Jungle group, have

877
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.480
been resorted to living in barracks in prison like conditions.

878
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.719
So I think this is really important to talk about

879
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.320
because this is emphasizing. This was published, this says June tenth.

880
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.480
It doesn't give me a year. But this is a

881
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.960
modern site, right, and it's talking about things that are

882
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.119
happening recently. It's talking about machinery used to cut down trees.

883
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.719
This is modern day and this is colonialism. Colonialism is

884
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.760
still very real and it's happening all over the world

885
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.159
and this is just one example of it. I just

886
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.559
want to make sure we all understand that that is

887
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.559
what this is, or this is what that is. I

888
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.960
don't know whichever way square rectangle. This says three generations

889
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.199
are now involved in the process of finding a new

890
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.280
location in the to call home, and Abelo the elder

891
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.199
Shaman is determined to succeed soon he wants to die

892
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.400
in the woods, teaching his children about their traditional ways

893
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:11.800
like his ancestors before him. This continues. Abolo found an

894
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.719
area of pristine deep forest at Badakhia within the Putu

895
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.400
Mayo Amazon, which could be a wonderful location for the

896
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.239
group to live and to continue pursuing its traditional ways

897
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.760
of life. But for that to happen, they need money. Quote.

898
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.360
They do not like charities, it creates dependency, Burbank explains.

899
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.599
In their eyes, the land was stolen from them and

900
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.840
they do not want to accept it back as a gift.

901
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.679
They want it to be their legal home and respected

902
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.000
as such. To help fund the purchase of the land,

903
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.480
they have raised some money by selling handmade traditional jewelry,

904
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.280
hosting eco tourists, and working to track jaguars for Savimbo.

905
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.679
Once the land is theirs again, the Amberachami can provide

906
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.519
a priceless service for us, all conserving the forest and

907
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.880
its biodiversity and acting as a barrier to block access

908
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.559
to the rest of the pristine mountain that borders the

909
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.239
area to be purchased. This is something I thought was

910
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.159
very interesting that I wanted all of us to hear

911
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.679
because I didn't really know this, Like I don't know

912
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.880
the numbers of this, but this says no one protects

913
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.599
the wilderness as well as the indigenous people that have

914
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.199
inhabited it since time immemorial. Indigenous peoples make up about

915
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.159
six percent of the world's population, but they can serve

916
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.960
roughly eighty percent of all biodiversity. That is a staggering statistic.

917
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.079
I'm going to say it again. Indigenous people make up

918
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.079
about six percent of the world's population, but they can

919
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.320
serve roughly eighty percent of all biodiversity in the world.

920
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.320
And this the statistic may be hard to believe, but

921
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:37.119
it is acknowledged by the United Nations World Wildlife Fund

922
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.079
and some governments. In Australia, for example, there is a

923
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.480
growing trend of handing control of parks to aboriginal groups.

924
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.039
The traditional ways of life that have developed in harmony

925
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.760
with the surroundings, as well as generational knowledge and language

926
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.480
to describe the land and understand its dynamics, all make

927
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.199
stewardship by such groups the best option for conservation, far

928
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.000
better than leaving the land free from human intervention. Once purchased.

929
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.880
Beda Guerra will be protected under a special Colombian legal

930
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structure that treats the land as a legal subject and

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the Mbada Chami as its guardians. Because it is pristine

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00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.599
primary force at the border of the tropical Ande and

933
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biodiversity hotspot, the conservation effect of saving this land will

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extend far beyond its technical perimeter. So essentially, this is

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a belief that I have always held close is land

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00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.400
back because who better to maintain this land than the

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00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:33.159
people that had maintained it for generations upon generations. What

938
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.159
are we doing stealing land from people and then fucking

939
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.960
it up for all of us? What make it make sense?

940
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:41.559
We're gonna be once in the next one before I

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00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.440
start screaming at you all. This is an entry in

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00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:50.000
a Smithsonian Magazine dot com page, and this says experienced

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00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.119
Banama's ancestral indigenous cultures. Learn about this Central American country's

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00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.079
ancestral indigenous culture and take in their spiritual connection to nature.

945
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.119
But there's a section in here about to the Emberra,

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and this says to the Embedda people, rivers are an

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00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.239
integral part of their lifestyle and cosmogenic beliefs. Most Imbeddah

948
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.320
villages are located in the Ladian province. As I mentioned earlier,

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00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.880
this is how we found out about the Embeddad peoples

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00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:18.440
when we did the episode in the Ladien Gap, and

951
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:20.760
the link will be of course in the discussion below.

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It says with a few villages not far from Banama City,

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a boat ride on the Chagatas River can take visitors

954
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directly to villages located at the water's edge. The region

955
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.960
known as the Chagata's Watershed Embedra region is home to

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00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.320
an incredibly dense and biodiverse rainforest that nurtures many in

957
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.840
Panama and in particular in Panama City, with fresh drinking water.

958
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.000
In addition, this freshwater source is a key supplier of

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00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.199
water for the nearby Banama Canal, and the Emberra are

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guardians and stewards of this critical natural resource for all

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while visiting travelers can learn the Embadas stories and ancestral

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00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.920
connection to the surrounding rivers and rainforest land. Among the

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00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.519
foundations of their natural and spiritual ideologies. The Ambedda believe

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that water, even that which we drink and use today,

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00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.760
comes from a great tree that once felt in the

966
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.079
distant past, and that is the Henanes story or the

967
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.400
creation story, and from its vines, rivers were ultimately formed.

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00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.320
This worldview permeates their belief system and is evident in

969
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.840
the ways in which the Ambedas strive to protect their

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00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.159
natural land. The Ambedaz relation to water is also marked

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00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:23.440
by the spirit of Antumia, an evil spirit that lives

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00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.880
in the water, only visible to the Shamans or Kaimanas today.

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00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:31.000
So this now, Smithsonian, Hey, sorry, hate to be this

974
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.599
ghoul and tell you all, but that might be a

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00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:38.199
typo or inaccurate. The antumia is not an evil spirit.

976
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.880
It's not. I don't think it's fair to call it an

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00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:41.840
evil spirit. I think it is a spirit that can

978
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:44.480
be used for evil. However, it is a spirit, as

979
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.960
we've heard from other stories in which that guy was

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00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.920
being attacked by a antomia, another Antumia saved him. They

981
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.519
can also be used to help. So I don't know, Smithsonian,

982
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.920
hit me up if you need a folklorist contributor. What's

983
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.719
the word I'm looking for? Never mind, don't you don't

984
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.320
want me to for you? But yeah, I just noticed

985
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.480
that I've read this source before, and I just noticed

986
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.079
that anyway, it continues. Visitors will find that the Mbeda

987
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.920
are well known for their handmade crafts such as black

988
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.760
palm baskets or chunga and intricate animal carvings made from

989
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.920
both tagua nuts and cocobolo, along with temporary tattoos made

990
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.639
using a black dye from hagua fruit. And so this

991
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.280
was mentioned earlier, and there's another source that we have

992
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.960
about it in the story when we talk about doctor

993
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:31.880
Esteban Morales meeting the Raibana Erito, and we described Arito

994
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.199
as having streaked gray hair his chest painted with hagua designs.

995
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.519
And so what hagua is, it's Hagua is a fruit

996
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.480
and the Embeda people use this fruit to make a

997
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.920
temporary dye or ink or essentially they make temporary tattoos

998
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.039
with this ink or dye that's made from the fruit.

999
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.039
They have these like specific I don't want to use

1000
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.519
the word esthetic, but like these specific markings that they

1001
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.400
do with this ink or dye. And there and then

1002
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:57.679
there are these like temporary tattoos. So that is what

1003
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.679
this is talking about. It says on a visit, you

1004
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.639
will likely travel in a traditional dugout canoe like that

1005
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.119
of the Mbida, and may be able to experience additional

1006
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.239
dance and music. While many Embedda villages are located deep

1007
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.559
in the forest in Dadian Province, there has been some

1008
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:16.119
migration to the Panama Canal Watershed area. Villages such as Imberrakiera, Ayapuru,

1009
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.639
Baruru Puru, Emberra Dura are more accessible to visitors. Baradu

1010
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.880
Puru is home to the current chief of Chagada's Watershed

1011
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:28.079
Embedda region, Antonio Zarko, the grandson of a legendary Imbiddad leader,

1012
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.679
Antonio Zarko, who once trained the Apollo eleven astronauts who

1013
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.719
would ultimately go to the Moon. What these connections are wild?

1014
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.000
This continues as the leader of a jungle survival program.

1015
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.039
The elder Zadko trained many service members than others from

1016
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.480
the USA Air Force and NASA, including Neil Armstrong and

1017
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.880
John Glenn, what and how to survive in foreign environments

1018
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.880
that would test their mental, physical, and spiritual resolve. And

1019
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.639
in doing so, this leader of the Embedda, among so

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00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.440
many other indigenous peoples in Panama, have proven that the

1021
00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.920
ideas of the past can guide us onto a better future.

1022
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.920
That's wild. I had no idea. This is amazing. So

1023
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:10.039
the indigenous Embeddra people trained astronauts Neil Armstrong, people that

1024
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.519
completely altered the course of science in the world, but

1025
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:18.079
also in like America, is because of indigenous people. The

1026
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.679
impact that indigenous people have in this world. Wow. Wow

1027
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:22.840
wow wow wow wow wow. That's my mind is blown

1028
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.800
right now. That's amazing. That is so cool. I had

1029
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.840
no idea. Wow, this is really neat okay. And the

1030
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.320
last source that I have here, this is a video

1031
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.840
called The Tattoo Lady published by a Drew Binski on YouTube.

1032
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:37.880
So if you just searched the Tattoo Lady, this is

1033
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.480
from the count and Drew Binski. It's a short video.

1034
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.599
It's like a three four minute video about this Embedra

1035
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.199
woman and it's all about the Hagua tattoos. And in

1036
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.679
the description here, Drew says they have this local fruit

1037
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.760
called hagua, which only grows on select trees in central

1038
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.239
Sla South America. The Embedras extract black juice from the

1039
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.400
fruit and use it as an ink that they paint

1040
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.320
their bodies with and it stays active for about two weeks.

1041
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.880
The geometric shapes and designs have been passed down from

1042
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.840
their ancestors and they use it today as a sunscreen

1043
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.840
and shampoo as well, and then they said they interviewed

1044
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:14.599
this woman named Lisa and she is the main tattoo

1045
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:18.719
artist or hagua artist in this community of twenty four families.

1046
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.599
This video was published in twenty twenty, so about five

1047
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.199
years ago, but I was watching some of it earlier

1048
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.760
and it was very very interesting and she, I mean,

1049
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.480
she looks so cool. So definitely check out that video.

1050
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.400
But as always, the direct link will be in these

1051
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.920
Suso Google talks and those are all those sources that

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